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DragonKing
07-22-2005, 02:54 PM
Sceptile (F) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 32 HP / 224 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Leaf Blade
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Endeavor

Sweeps like crazy at 1 HP and can Endeavor before going down. Hopefully Tyranitar won't come out this early in the game.

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 192 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Explosion

I needed a Rapid Spinner, physical resistance, and Spiker to complement my Suicune, so Forretress naturally fit the role.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Roar
- Rest

I was thinking about Crocune but decided I needed p-haze, so I added a LS Zapdos for Boah.

Heracross (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Focus Punch
- Rock Slide
- Facade

Absorbs status and sweeps.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 60 Def / 240 Spd / 208 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Light Screen
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest

Counters Swampert and Boah.

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 12 HP / 196 Atk / 136 Def / 164 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, SAtk)
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Rest

My favorite EV spread for Snorlax. 464 HP is divisible by 16 for lefties; 305 attack OHKOs Raikou with EQ; 200 defense is nice to work with when calculating Curses.

I have a potential problem with ghosts (although I haven't lost with this team yet), but I don't like Snorlax with Shadow Ball. I'm considering HP Ghost over Facade on Heracross. Unfortunately, Weezing would destroy it if I did that. Any suggestions? Feel free to make suggestions and point out beneficial changes. Thanks and take care.

DragonKing
07-23-2005, 02:42 PM
Sorry for the bump, but I really need help. So far I've changed Heracross's Facade to HP Ghost for Dusclops, but I just got killed by a stall team that had Dusclops protecting Spikes. I'm considering replacing Curse on Snorlax with Shadow Ball. Any recommendations? Thanks and take care.

Regice 2005
07-23-2005, 04:26 PM
Sceptile (F) @ Petaya Berry
Trait: Overgrow
EVs: 32 HP / 224 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Substitute
- Leaf Blade
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Endeavor

Sweeps like crazy at 1 HP and can Endeavor before going down. Hopefully Tyranitar won't come out this early in the game.

very nice. I've never tried it but I imagine that it would work quite well

Forretress (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 64 Atk / 192 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Spikes
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Explosion

I needed a Rapid Spinner, physical resistance, and Spiker to complement my Suicune, so Forretress naturally fit the role.
Forry has a huge problem with dusclops protecting spikes. Donphan is better adapted to taking out spikes and putting a nice dent in dusclops. Unfortunatelly he can't spike so I guess you're gonna have to settle for one or the other.

Suicune @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SAtk
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Surf
- Roar
- Rest

I was thinking about Crocune but decided I needed p-haze, so I added a LS Zapdos for Boah.
Standard and for good reason. Almost impossible to take down without a detonation. Watch out for metagross.

Heracross (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Guts
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Megahorn
- Focus Punch
- Rock Slide
- Facade

Absorbs status and sweeps.
Doesn't megahorn already hit for double damge against ghosts? Or am I completely wrong on this. Forgive me if I'm wrong, The RBY mindset that bugs are worthless just seems to stick to me.

Zapdos @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 60 Def / 240 Spd / 208 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Light Screen
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Rest

Counters Swampert and Boah.
I would guess it works

Snorlax (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Thick Fat
EVs: 12 HP / 196 Atk / 136 Def / 164 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, SAtk)
- Curse
- Body Slam
- Earthquake
- Rest

My favorite EV spread for Snorlax. 464 HP is divisible by 16 for lefties; 305 attack OHKOs Raikou with EQ; 200 defense is nice to work with when calculating Curses.

keep earthquake. Battles between snorlas and a painsplit dusclops are quite dangerous unlesss you can OHKO

I have a potential problem with ghosts (although I haven't lost with this team yet), but I don't like Snorlax with Shadow Ball. I'm considering HP Ghost over Facade on Heracross. Unfortunately, Weezing would destroy it if I did that. Any suggestions? Feel free to make suggestions and point out beneficial changes. Thanks and take care.


Sorry if I wasn't really much help. Dusclops is a huge pain to beat and there really is no easy answer. You can't even detonate yourself to kill it. :crackup:

DragonKing
07-23-2005, 05:15 PM
Thanks for the help.

1. I agree that Donphan would be better than Forretress, but I need a normal resistance. If you think I should rework other pokes to attain this (and use Donphan > Forretress), let me know. I also need a p-hazer, so I want to use Roar Suicune, which is so much more deadly with Spikes.

2. Ghost resists bug, but come to think of it, STAB Megahorn will do more than Rock Slide anyway.

3. For Snorlax, I definitely will keep Earthquake, but do you think I should replace Curse for Shadow Ball? I'm guessing no, since that would only help against Gengar as Snorlax can't do anything to Dusclops w/o Curse.

Dusclops sure is a pain, and I'm at a loss for how to counter it with my team. Thanks again and take care.

Bravo Leader
07-23-2005, 05:26 PM
Don't give your Snorlax Shadow Ball, Curselax is much more deadly. Suicune is also very good and should be able to take out Dusclops but idk...Weezing and Skarmory are good hazers too. I don't really have a problem with Dusclops so I cannot really help there.