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Alakazam
07-25-2005, 01:07 PM
I'm sure we've all heard about this by now, but I'll sumarize the issue for those who haven't heard:

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Recently, a man from the Netherlands was fiddiling around with the source code for his PC version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and he found a part of the game where CJ would take his girl back to his room and have sex with her. It's an interactive mini-game, where you can tell her what to do and what position to be in. There's even a gauge for "excitement." The modder who discovered this put it out on the internet for download. When you download the mod, it unlocks this game.

When this was discovered to be in the original code for all versions of the game (for PS2, XBOX, and PC), the ESRB changed the rating on the game from M to AO, causing many retailers to pull the game off its shelves.

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Do you think that this game deserves the AO rating? Does it really need to be pulled from store shelves? Discuss. I'll add my two cents later.

DaRkUmBrEoN
07-25-2005, 01:30 PM
Why does it always have to be Dutch people.... :crackup:

I find this a whole lot of c... If I could make a comparisation with the Sims. In The Sims people shower with those censorblocks around their body, but there are according to me nude-patches availeble to unluck them. Wouldn't that be the same as to GTA San Andreas?

The Sims were programmed nude and then covered up by blocks. The patch disables this programming.

By the way, people will still buy the game even if that was in the original code.

Alakazam
07-25-2005, 01:46 PM
on the Sims: I have heard about this, and it would seem that you can see even more in that game (if you take the blurring out, which apparently isn't any more difficult to do than unlock the hot coffee minigame). But the thing is that in The Sims, there really isn't much under the blocks. Sims don't have reproductive organs...so it's just like seing Ken and Barbie having sex.

So I guess I can understand why the GTA scene is considered to be more graphic...however, I've only seen one screenshot from the minigame, so at this point all of our info about it comes from what other people are saying. One reason I think we can all agree on that puts the GTA scene above the Sims is that its much more realistic.

However, with that aside, I really don't think an AO rating is necessary. In a game where theft, murder, and rape are commonplace why does a little sexual content get everyone so angry? (of course the answer is that violence is much less of a
"big deal" in modern society than sexual issues) GTA San Andreas is an M-rated game (which means that its meant for people of 17 years of age or older). Any parent of a 13 year old who's son plays San Andreas should be angry at themselves for being such idiotic parents, not at Rockstar Games, or the ESRB.

paperfairy
07-25-2005, 01:50 PM
I'm sure we've all heard about this by now, but I'll sumarize the issue for those who haven't heard:

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Recently, a man from the Netherlands was fiddiling around with the source code for his PC version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and he found a part of the game where CJ would take his girl back to his room and have sex with her. It's an interactive mini-game, where you can tell her what to do and what position to be in. There's even a gauge for "excitement." The modder who discovered this put it out on the internet for download. When you download the mod, it unlocks this game.

When this was discovered to be in the original code for all versions of the game (for PS2, XBOX, and PC), the ESRB changed the rating on the game from M to AO, causing many retailers to pull the game off its shelves.

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Do you think that this game deserves the AO rating? Does it really need to be pulled from store shelves? Discuss. I'll add my two cents later.


ABSOLUTELY! A game with actual sex in it definately deserves an AO rating- but that doesn't mean people should pull it off the shelves. It should stay availble to the public- if they see an AO rating, they know its not appropriate for 2 year olds.

-GT

Thoughts: :rolleyes:

Alakazam
07-25-2005, 01:55 PM
ABSOLUTELY! A game with actual sex in it definately deserves an AO rating- but that doesn't mean people should pull it off the shelves. It should stay availble to the public- if they see an AO rating, they know its not appropriate for 2 year olds.

-GT

Thoughts: :rolleyes:

But here's the thing: you have to hack into the game to unlock the scene...you can't see it right out of the box. Most people (myself included) don't know how to do such things.


And, while most people realize that AO game aren't for 2 year olds, hardly anyone realizes that M-rated games AREN'T for 13 year olds...hence all the fuss over the rating. The difference between the reccomended ages of M and AO are only 1 year...

Visual
07-25-2005, 03:21 PM
Hmm...if this is true, then shouldn't God of War be rated AO?

Alakazam
07-25-2005, 06:59 PM
I don't know; I've never played God of War. What's in it that you think would need an AO rating?

Kenny_C.002
07-25-2005, 08:53 PM
No, it's been said that if it's just nudity/sex, it's an M rating. HOWEVER, since the game dealt not only with sex, etc., but also rape, etc. I think an AO rating should have been there BEFORE the whole sex hack even started. This hack only put things over the top.

But really, it's just a 1 year difference in the rating. I don't think it should matter so much that would warrrant any sort of care in the general population anyway. And to think that it KEEPS the game away from kids? All the better. Heck if that's what it'll take to get more kids out of this violent crap, go ahead with it.

Do note that most parents don't know how the rating system works and stuff. The AO rating does put the lightbulb in there heads tho, so again, it's BETTER in every aspect to give it an AO rating over the M rating.

Now for it being pulled out of shelves. I don't think it should be taken out of shelves. I mean, BMX XXX is still on the shelves (that one at least the "stupid" parents won't be buying for their children...)...

DaRkUmBrEoN
07-25-2005, 08:58 PM
I find the American rating system getting funnier and funnier.
We (Netherlands) rated all the GTA games 18+, but they are still bought by kids younger than 13. And it seems our shopowners don't care if children go violent by selling those kind of games.

Alakazam
07-25-2005, 09:13 PM
No, it's been said that if it's just nudity/sex, it's an M rating. HOWEVER, since the game dealt not only with sex, etc., but also rape, etc. I think an AO rating should have been there BEFORE the whole sex hack even started. This hack only put things over the top.

But really, it's just a 1 year difference in the rating. I don't think it should matter so much that would warrrant any sort of care in the general population anyway. And to think that it KEEPS the game away from kids? All the better. Heck if that's what it'll take to get more kids out of this violent crap, go ahead with it.



It's true. The rating difference is only one year, so (logically) such a rating change shouldn't be a big deal...but that's without considering the rampant idiotic parenting in the US x_X.

Although, I agree with the sentiment that if changing the rating will stop immature kids/people from playing GTA:SA, than it sounds like a good idea to me as well.

(BTW, BMX XXX is rated M >_<)

JohtoTrainer
07-25-2005, 09:25 PM
If San Anreas is rated AO then the PLayboy game should definately be Rate AO. :eh:

!C3MAN
07-26-2005, 12:23 AM
Does anybody remember the days when video games were about stomping turtles and laying smackdown on giant apes??

The game should keep it's [M] rating. Any kid under 17 who can figure out how to get the coffee game started deserves to get a thrill. At least he's using his brain and accomplishing something in his bedroom instead of going out and spreading StDs :sleepy:.

liquid crystal
07-26-2005, 12:43 AM
Does anybody remember the days when video games were about stomping turtles and laying smackdown on giant apes??


erm...hate to split hairs... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge)

The Elite Ygseto
07-26-2005, 03:23 AM
Why does it always have to be Dutch people.... :crackup:

I find this a whole lot of c... If I could make a comparisation with the Sims. In The Sims people shower with those censorblocks around their body, but there are according to me nude-patches availeble to unluck them. Wouldn't that be the same as to GTA San Andreas?

The Sims were programmed nude and then covered up by blocks. The patch disables this programming.

By the way, people will still buy the game even if that was in the original code.
Yeah, i acctually have one running. Its used to raise the 'realism' of the game. They just look like little barbies.

About the topic, I could care less. People already know that its on the edge of the M/AO line any way. That just pushed it over. I'm glad its gone, now the damn goverment woun't have it as a stupid excuse for them to regulate games.

Dragon Lover
07-27-2005, 05:23 AM
erm...hate to split hairs... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer%27s_Revenge)

WTF! :eek:

Anyway GTA:SA should get AO rating... now comeon... we don't need another generation of Rapers and Sex-a-holics now do we :neutral:

~DL~

DaRkUmBrEoN
07-27-2005, 08:36 AM
now comeon... we don't need another generation of Rapers and Sex-a-holics now do we :neutral:

~DL~

Well, actually yes, otherwise our whole league of social workers and rehab employees need to find new jobs... :goofy:

liquid crystal: that's just nasty.... :eek:

Not Raik
07-27-2005, 05:13 PM
But really, it's just a 1 year difference in the rating. I don't think it should matter so much that would warrrant any sort of care in the general population anyway. And to think that it KEEPS the game away from kids? All the better. Heck if that's what it'll take to get more kids out of this violent crap, go ahead with it.
AO and M are very different, and that is why publishers usually avoid AO rating games. Most of the major outlets out there that sell games(Walmart, EB Games, Gamestop, etc.) only sell games M or below. Why? They want to be kid-friendly. Which parent would allow their kid to go to a shop where there are shelves of hawt sex games?

Do note that most parents don't know how the rating system works and stuff. The AO rating does put the lightbulb in there heads tho, so again, it's BETTER in every aspect to give it an AO rating over the M rating.
It does matter when you're thankful that the nearest game store near you is a EB Games, but thanks to the AO rating, you have to go wayyy far, far, away to get the game...

I don't think this rating is hurting GTA that much. GTA:SA just topped XBox's game sales chart and ranked 4 for its PC version. Not sure about the PS2, but it should fare fairly decent too. Of course, I believe these good sales won't stay for long. At least until the M rating one comes out. That one will have the sexual content removed, but it's gonna take some time for it to come out. Hmm.

masterryanx
07-27-2005, 06:18 PM
I could'nt have said it better myself! :happy:

Razzmatazz
07-28-2005, 01:28 PM
Is the PS2 version going to be changed to AO? Is it even possible to get the mod in the PS2 version of the game? If it can't be obtained in that version, will the rating stay M? :eek:

Alakazam
07-28-2005, 02:11 PM
Is the PS2 version going to be changed to AO? yes Is it even possible to get the mod in the PS2 version of the game? yes If it can't be obtained in that version, will the rating stay M? :eek:

The scene is going to be taken out anyway, so they can get their M rating back, but most retailers are already saying that they won't sell it, even after its cleaned up.

Not Raik
07-28-2005, 04:09 PM
Is the PS2 version going to be changed to AO? Is it even possible to get the mod in the PS2 version of the game? If it can't be obtained in that version, will the rating stay M? :eek:
You can use an Action Replay to unlock the scenes, but as far as I know, you can't apply mods on PS2 games, so without cheats, you can't do it. But, the fact is that the content is still in the game, so the PS2 version will probably also be changed to AO.

Alakazam
07-28-2005, 07:01 PM
You can use an Action Replay to unlock the scenes, but as far as I know, you can't apply mods on PS2 games, so without cheats, you can't do it. But, the fact is that the content is still in the game, so the PS2 version will probably also be changed to AO.

There actually is a way to mod PS2 games; you have to do something to the memory card that you're file is on. I don't know how to do it (I don't have a PS2), but I do know that it can be done...although it is much easier to mod the PC version (obviously).

The AO rating won't last long anyway, since R* is going to take the scene out of the game...

sPiKe
07-29-2005, 02:58 AM
Did anybody else click the link that liquid crystal put up? That is some crazy gaming.

Kenny_C.002
08-24-2005, 02:39 AM
AO and M are very different, and that is why publishers usually avoid AO rating games. Most of the major outlets out there that sell games(Walmart, EB Games, Gamestop, etc.) only sell games M or below. Why? They want to be kid-friendly. Which parent would allow their kid to go to a shop where there are shelves of hawt sex games?

It does matter when you're thankful that the nearest game store near you is a EB Games, but thanks to the AO rating, you have to go wayyy far, far, away to get the game...

And thus keeping it away from the general child population. I've seen too many kids asking for that game in my lifetime to think that GTA is literally part of the problem. It's a good thing to have to go far away to get the game then. I mean, if you have the power to get there, chances are that at least you're at an age group that wouldn't be largely affected by such games.

I don't think this rating is hurting GTA that much. GTA:SA just topped XBox's game sales chart and ranked 4 for its PC version. Not sure about the PS2, but it should fare fairly decent too. Of course, I believe these good sales won't stay for long. At least until the M rating one comes out. That one will have the sexual content removed, but it's gonna take some time for it to come out. Hmm.

Exactly, not that it matters, considering that GTA's already in the hands of millions, and likely many modded already.

Although I must say that i still don't understand why Rockstar is doing so well with games that are on par with average games at most (personal opinion, you can rip me to shreds here if you want, but it's still m personal opinion).

dementedcrabs
08-25-2005, 09:26 PM
I find it...mind numbing that THIS COUNTRY of all countries, is finding this a gigantic problem. Why?

It is quite alrite to watch governor Arnold in his movie terminator blast away at law enforcement but ya cant have a half naked chick in a game!

You can watch some Interracial Loving with Halle Berry getting literally screwed 3 different types of ways by Billy Bob Thorton in the movie Monster Ball, But don't think of anything close to that being in a game!

Hey I got a better one! Lets turn the radio on to one of our local hip hop stations...What's that you say Mr. 50 Cent? You've got the "Magic Stick"? You wanna take WHO to the Candy Shop? You want to let WHO lick the lolly pop?? You mean the 7 year old girls and tons of kids listening to the radio?? Hmmm..

Tell me why my fellow gamers...WHY must our culture be attacked for things that the rest of media entertainment does without so much as a word from the government. I mean GOD...When the government steps in on the media, then you know there is going to be some contradicting. I coulda sworn this was a free country. I coulda sworn we all have the right to make whatever the heck we want and distribute it as so.

They want to make arguments that this is a big deal because allot of kids play video games. Don't allot of kids watch TV, listen to music, and go on the internet? I remember a few years ago I was walking past a middle school to hear 7th graders inviting each other over to watch the Paris Hilton sex tape. Instead of attacking stuff like that it was posted on the cover of magazines as "Juicy Gossip" Tee hee hee! ...Stupid...


I know kids(Ages 5-12) these days are smart but...show me a kid that can get this hack to work ALL BY HIMSELF...show me a kid that can search out the hack itself , find the directory the game has been installed to on the hard drive, Place the hack correctly into its rightful folder, and do whatever else steps needed to get it running...Show me a little kid that can do that and I will eat my words and admit that I don't know what im talking about.

Now porn? How hard is it to access that?Just go to google and type in whatever floats your boat. And there you go. Any kid can go type in "Boobs" or the word "Sex" and there you go. Instead of trying to censor easy to access stuff like Extremely violent and Erotic movies, songs, and books, They rather come after gamers. I wish we could do a poll or something that showed the most common age for a Hardcore Gamer.Just for my own knowledge. From what I know most hardcore gamers out there are ages 16-32. Now if you don't know anything about sex by the time your 16, then you just suck anyways. The same stuff they are trying to "CENSOR" for kids, is the same stuff they already know about...Why is sex such a scary thing to old people? For responsible people its the most fun thing you can do in the whole god dang world! Maybe if more attention was paid to how to be responsible with it and safe with it, then it wouldn't be such a problem.....I wish they would give up on attacking adult games. Its not our fault if the parent is stupid enough to buy it for the child.There's a reason it was marked "M" 17+.It's the parents fault not the industries.And politics should stay the heck out of it. :dazed:

DaRkUmBrEoN
08-26-2005, 05:27 AM
I know kids(Ages 5-12) these days are smart but...show me a kid that can get this hack to work ALL BY HIMSELF...show me a kid that can search out the hack itself , find the directory the game has been installed to on the hard drive, Place the hack correctly into its rightful folder, and do whatever else steps needed to get it running...Show me a little kid that can do that and I will eat my words and admit that I don't know what im talking about.

My little brother (8) can do that, so I'll make you eat those words.
He knows more about computers and software than his classmates, mostly because he's standing besides me when I install games for him.
Plus most cracks/hacks have manual included..

dementedcrabs
08-26-2005, 05:50 AM
My little brother (8) can do that, so I'll make you eat those words.
He knows more about computers and software than his classmates, mostly because he's standing besides me when I install games for him.
Plus most cracks/hacks have manual included..

:redface: K fine I shall eat my word's wheres some salt and pepper I was hungry anyway. :hungry: Still don't change the fact that kids aren't supossed to have this game.And that politics are blowing it out of proportion.

Hypocrisy is Fun
08-26-2005, 06:00 AM
Im reading this wondering, why didn't they find this before? It's ovious that it was there the first time they rated it, therefore they should of seen it coming.
I think the game should stay at an (M) only because it could of happend anyways.

dementedcrabs
08-26-2005, 06:14 AM
Im reading this wondering, why didn't they find this before? It's ovious that it was there the first time they rated it, therefore they should of seen it coming.
I think the game should stay at an (M) only because it could of happend anyways.

It wasnt really there.Take two and rockstar didn't submit it to the ESRB so thats why it was rated "M".Rockstar disabled that feature cause they didnt want to take out any lines of code so close to the launch date and push back the release date of GTA:SA any further.So rockstar submitted what was supossed to be in the game and playable.But some hacker cracked the code to the mini game.

Hypocrisy is Fun
10-08-2005, 07:59 AM
It wasnt really there.Take two and rockstar didn't submit it to the ESRB so thats why it was rated "M".Rockstar disabled that feature cause they didnt want to take out any lines of code so close to the launch date and push back the release date of GTA:SA any further.So rockstar submitted what was supossed to be in the game and playable.But some hacker cracked the code to the mini game.
But it was in the code, therefore it was there, just not supposed to be found.:ermm:

DaRkUmBrEoN
10-08-2005, 01:05 PM
But it was in the code, therefore it was there, just not supposed to be found.:ermm:Imagine the loss of income, if Rockstar delayed the release, because of deleting a big part of the code. That's why programmers often disable coding instead of deleting it, cause if it turns out to be needed, it's already there.

2wings
10-08-2005, 04:36 PM
grr GTA gets annoying after a few missions, i got all the way to san fiero and then i'm stuck at this mission '' race caesar '' that guy has to be one of the best low rider drivers ever. Low riders suck! they always skid to far to the left/right when making turns thus cause it to hit something and slow down.

Dakota
10-10-2005, 07:46 PM
There was an old lady that bought GTA san adreas for her pre-teenage grandson. While playing it, she found out about the hot coffee mod. The grandson never actually viewed the pornography, but the fact that it was in the game was reason enough for the old lady to SUE rockstar games for making it...

Apparently, she ignored the blatent killing, sex, drugs, the games obvious M rating, and the fact that the hot coffee mod couldn't possibly be viewed by him unless he searched extensively online for it...

The only thing this proves is.....all old people are stupid...

Hypocrisy is Fun
10-11-2005, 03:27 AM
Imagine the loss of income, if Rockstar delayed the release, because of deleting a big part of the code. That's why programmers often disable coding instead of deleting it, cause if it turns out to be needed, it's already there.
I hate sounding stupid;but are you agreeing with me or against me?



Apparently, she ignored the blatent killing, sex, drugs, the games obvious M rating, and the fact that the hot coffee mod couldn't possibly be viewed by him unless he searched extensively online for it...

The only thing this proves is.....all old people are stupid..

That is one of the strangest things I have ever heard about this game. They can do It and make all their sounds an stuff, but even though the one mod wasent even availible to the grandson, she still sues them? That does prove all old people are stupid.

DaRkUmBrEoN
10-11-2005, 05:53 AM
I more or less agree with ya.

Kenny_C.002
10-12-2005, 08:38 PM
It doesn't actually prove that all old people are stupid, just that the bright ones never are on the news. XD

lalala
10-20-2005, 12:33 AM
Well i've only played GTA once at a friends house (Vice city before they edidted the code to get rid of killing the hookers) and it deserves the highest rating possible!
But I live in Austrailia, where M15 is the highest rating and anything above it is BANNED. I dont want the game banned, I dont know why, no fair to the people who like it I suppose. So I want it to have a rating which wont make the austrailian government ban it. And as for nudity...
Naked people is one thing, porn another. Nudes - im fine with that. No problemo, we're all nude under our clothes. Porn - DIRTY, FILTHY, HORRIBLE.
So yeah. Porn should make the rating go up.
(I haven't made a clear opinion on this have I? Its my first post on this board I think...)

darkmewtwo1111
12-28-2005, 04:19 PM
They shold re-release antoher version of gran theft auto san andreas without the code for
the hot coffie mod.

DaRkUmBrEoN
12-28-2005, 04:22 PM
This topic is over a month old.
I would advise you to use proper grammar and read the rules.
That way you don't risk getting scolded at.