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Elmiran
08-12-2005, 07:14 AM
After hours of testing I finally found a team which is good and no one complain's about ubers/legends *zapdos*, but my team only wins about half the time. There is something missing, or maybe I am doing something wrong, I just don't know. Please someone give me some advise, Thank You.

Jolteon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

Alakazam (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave

Ludicolo (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Ice Beam
- Leech Seed
- Mega Drain
- Surf

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Brick Break
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Explosion
- Ice Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 6 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
- Surf

IT
08-12-2005, 07:56 AM
After hours of testing I finally found a team which is good and no one complain's about ubers/legends *zapdos*, but my team only wins about half the time. There is something missing, or maybe I am doing something wrong, I just don't know. Please someone give me some advise, Thank You.

Jolteon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Thunderbolt

I find Baton Pass more convenient than T-Wave.

Alakazam (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave

Not sure, but doesn't Fire Punch give you more power?

Ludicolo (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef I think you could give up some Sp Att EVs for Defense etc.
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Ice Beam
- Leech Seed
- Rain Dance
- Surf

Dude, no Mega Drain... Giga Drain is better, but you already have Leech Seed for healing.

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Brick Break
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Destiny Bond
- Ice Punch
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Always brings down at least one of their Pokemon. You need Timid Nature to outrun Modest Gengars.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 6 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Ice Beam
- Surf

I have no experience with Swampert, but I always thought Cursepurt kicked some major butt.



All you need is prediction. Your team is pretty solid, some minor modifications and you'll be fine off.

Elmiran
08-12-2005, 05:58 PM
Thx this is pretty helpful, gengar looks alot better. However is rain dance all that great?

IT
08-12-2005, 08:45 PM
Thx this is pretty helpful, gengar looks alot better. However is rain dance all that great?

Whoopsie forgot to change that, use Rain Dish, then Rain Dance is useful for Ludicolo.

Dragon_Seeker
08-13-2005, 01:49 AM
Jolteon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Substitute
- Baton Pass
- Thunderbolt

Baton Passing Sub is the only thing about sixty other electrics don't do better. When/If XD's new moves are added, just use Zapdos.

Alakazam (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Thunderpunch

Why HP Fire when we have Fire Punch? Thunder Wave = no. You won't live to tell the tale. Encore, Recover (anti-Bliss), Ice Punch and Trick (with Choice Band) are also good.

Ludicolo (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 204 HP / 136 SAtk / 168 SDef
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power Grass
- Surf

Or use Giga Drain over HP Grass... but HP Grass is better. Synthesis, Substitute, Rest and Seismic Toss are also good options to pick from.

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 164 Spd / 92 SAtk
Lonely Nature (+Atk, -Def)
- Hidden Power [Rock]
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam

Ice Beam is fine, but use Hidden Power Rock (or Rock Slide).

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 220 Atk / 68 Spd / 220 SAtk
Hasty Nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Explosion
- Ice Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

300 Speed, nice attack stats. Explode on Blissey.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP / 76 Atk / 52 Def / 56 SAtk / 84 SDef
Sassy Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Curse
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest

Get a physical wall and a special wall that can beat Jirachi/Raikou/Alakazam 1-on-1. Psych Up Regice comes to mind. Skarmory/Weezing/Suicune or something similar will benefit GREATLY. You NEED a Hazer/Pseudo Hazer. Based on the team, I suggest Skarmory.

Sheignie
08-13-2005, 06:56 PM
After hours of testing I finally found a team which is good and no one complain's about ubers/legends *zapdos*, but my team only wins about half the time. There is something missing, or maybe I am doing something wrong, I just don't know. Please someone give me some advise, Thank You.

Jolteon (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Thunderbolt

This is almost identical to my Manectric, so I have no problems with it.

Alakazam (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Synchronize
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Fire Punch
- Psychic
- Thunder Wave/Disable

I just like Disable. That's probably not good. Of course, Fire Punch pwns HP Fire.

Ludicolo (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Rain Dish
EVs: 6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Giga Drain
- Surf

I prefer Giga Drain to Leech Seed. And Rain Dance so you can pump up your surf and take advantage of Rain Dish.

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 6 SDef
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Brick Break
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide

Its SPattk. is not that hot, so I would drop Ice Beam.

Gengar (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Explosion
- Ice Beam
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

I don't know if Gengar can get Ice Beam, but if it can, get it. If you're going to do Ice and Electric together, Boltbeam. If Gengar can't Ice Beam, keep it the way it is.

Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 6 SDef
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Ice Beam
- Surf
HP Fire as an alternative to Ice Beam if your PP gets low. You really only have to worry about Grass types on a Swampert, so HP Electric might not be that good.

Keep in mind that I am new to NB and probably don't know what I'm talking about. Anyway, nice team.

sonano
12-03-2005, 09:44 AM
I think all pokemon that can learn ice beam should know it, all of my party do!:happy: :happy:

Loyal Arcanine
12-03-2005, 10:29 AM
I think all pokemon that can learn ice beam should know it, all of my party do!:happy: :happy:

Please, don't revive such old threads.

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