TMI: RP Department

[bronislav84]

Well, this is the first post and the department just opened, so it will be less than flashy for a while

The Members:
- RocketMeowth
- Tamer San
- Cris
- Sky Girl
- Channel Delibird
- Blaziken 90
- Tyranitar_Trainer
- Loyal Arcanine
- Deathspecor
-Tiana_M

Okay, first topic: Who is interested in helping with my "RPG Learning Facility" Idea? I definitely can't do it alone.

Any other members have ideas besides this?

[Sky Girl]

Well, this is the first post and the department just opened, so it will be less than flashy for a while

The Members:
- RocketMeowth
- Tamer San
- Cris
- Sky Girl
- Channel Delibird
- Blaziken 90
- Tyranitar_Trainer

Okay, first topic: Who is interested in helping with my "RPG Learning Facility" Idea? I definitely can't do it alone.

Any other members have ideas besides this?
How would this RPG Learning Facility work?

My idea: Create an OOC thread. This way, if there is a topic that needs to be discussed about the RP, the RP will not get littered with posts that are not IC. We had one at the Revolution. Click for example. (http://pkmnrevo.proboards67.com/index.cgi?board=rp&action=display&thread=1132952767)

[Cris]

I think it works like this:We show other members examples of good RP's to teach them,or when they have a question help them,I'm not sure.

Idea:Give the board a new mod:since Marill isn't active we should have a new mod.

Give warnings:Give warning to members that made pointless rps.They will have one week give the rp a point if not the thread is closed.

I need opinions.

[Neo Pikachu]

Well, for one thing, we're not in charge of who gets modded and who doesn't. So Marill stays as the mod, even though that while he's not that active, he's still a pretty good guy. But again, that's not my department and I have no control over it.

I like the idea of warning people for creating useless RPs. The only thing is we're going to need someone who can enforce the locks. HKim and Loyal Arcanine can do that, but if you need them to lock something, you're going to have to PM them. That might also call for their second opinion.

Again, we're having the same situation in the fan fiction department. We need a sub board for dicussion on RPs like fan fiction needs their own area for that. It would lower the need for OOC posts and create less clutter in the RPs themselves. Also, it could help calify certain topics like God-modding and the like.

And it's okay to reference my RP guide, I just don't want anyone stealing it.

[Sky Girl]

Well, for one thing, we're not in charge of who gets modded and who doesn't. So Marill stays as the mod, even though that while he's not that active, he's still a pretty good guy. But again, that's not my department and I have no control over it.

Yeah, he's a good guy. But there seriously needs to be a more active member to moderate that board. Because it has gone downhill. N00bs (no offense to them or anything) have created tons of pointless RPs that have been done many times before.

I like the idea of warning people for creating useless RPs. The only thing is we're going to need someone who can enforce the locks. HKim and Loyal Arcanine can do that, but if you need them to lock something, you're going to have to PM them. That might also call for their second opinion.

And that's a really slow process. Can't mods lock? If so, refer to above comment.

Again, we're having the same situation in the fan fiction department. We need a sub board for dicussion on RPs like fan fiction needs their own area for that. It would lower the need for OOC posts and create less clutter in the RPs themselves. Also, it could help calify certain topics like God-modding and the like.

And it's okay to reference my RP guide, I just don't want anyone stealing it.

Can we reference it on other forums? Like, "And here's a good RolePlaying Guide on another forum, by Neo Pikachu." Then post the link. ???
Comments and questions in bold.

[Loyal Arcanine]

I agree we could use an active moderator in the RP section (Yes, Sky Girl, they can lock threads in their section).

Also, use the report system. Unless I don't have acces to internet, I respond to those.

[Neo Pikachu]

Yeah, he's a good guy. But there seriously needs to be a more active member to moderate that board. Because it has gone downhill. N00bs (no offense to them or anything) have created tons of pointless RPs that have been done many times before.

Well, Ryan (PokemonElite2000) is the only one who can make more mods. People have asked plenty of times before and it hasn't worked, so the best solution to do now is to work without them. This can include several things.

1. Make them aware that their RP has been done before and/or it's lacking in quality. The more people who do this, the better. You can't stop people from joining a low quality RP but bringing it to their attention will make them think next time. Do it again and again if you have to.

2. PM a G-mod, and they'll take care of it as soon as possible for you. Loyal Arcanine, Matthew, and lil_leprachaun are probably the most active ones. HKim is also good but he's mostly on at night, along with Zenaku. Chances are good they'll take care of it and review your request.

And that's a really slow process. Can't mods lock? If so, refer to above comment.

Yes they can. Of course, you need mods to lock threads, but again, if you can't get a lock because there aren't any moderators on, just try to work it out the best you can without them. Mods can't be on all day long but they'll try to do the best they can.

Can we reference it on other forums? Like, "And here's a good RolePlaying Guide on another forum, by Neo Pikachu." Then post the link. ???

Go right ahead, you have my full permission to do so. Like I said, providing a hyperlink to the guide is great, and I appreciate people reading and learning from it. I just don't want people to copy and paste pieces of it and not give me credit, that's all.

[bronislav84]

@ NP and Sky Girl: You ask how my faciltity is gonna work. Periodically, an RP will be created, which has no plot. Random plot starters will be given in it. Of course, it will only be created if Students have signed up to the Faciltiy.

When somebody asks to be taught, that kind of RP will be created. The person in question will have to respond to the given event. Their writing will be evaluated, and critiqued. When their writing goes up to an acceptable level, they will "graduate" and be able to use their new skills to RP better.

There are two ways to get into the Facility:
1. Be refered to it for being terrible.
2. Admit that you need improvement, and ask by yourself.

@Sky Girl on the subject of an OOC Thread: I think it would be a good idea, but it may get cluttered if stuff about different RPs was in ine thread. I think we have to ask Ryan to make something similar to what Serebii's RP section has. They have a place to put up discussion threads to be used for discussing specific roleplatys.

NP and Mike, would you like to be added to the list?

[Sky Girl]

This Learning Facility sounds like a good idea. I am interested in helping with it. So when these "sample RPs" are created, would the student's writing be critiqued by a teacher (or whatever you would call them)?

[Loyal Arcanine]

NP and Mike, would you like to be added to the list?

Hmm, yeah, you can add me, but I hope you can appreciate that I'm a busy man, as executive of TMI and moderator of the forum and URPG, plus a busy schoolterm starting. So I'll help out when I can, but mostly minor roles.

[bronislav84]

This Learning Facility sounds like a good idea. I am interested in helping with it. So when these "sample RPs" are created, would the student's writing be critiqued by a teacher (or whatever you would call them)?That's right. They are told how to improve their posts, over the course of this "RP" and some might even have to be rewritten.

The only thing stopping me from opening it is the lack of somebody to help me concisely write it up. I added your AIM from the TAFA thread, so look me up when you're online, if you're interested. Mine is in my profile.

Hmm, yeah, you can add me, but I hope you can appreciate that I'm a busy man, as executive of TMI and moderator of the forum and URPG, plus a busy schoolterm starting. So I'll help out when I can, but mostly minor roles.Yea, I realize that, but you're still active in this department, so anything you can help with is still apreciated.

[HKim]

I worry about the "being referred" aspect of the Facility, Bron. It sounds like it might discourage new members to roleplay because they would fear being referred to the facility. Certainly, some members could use the help, but not many people like being told what to do. I fully support the facility, but this one detail should be addressed.

[Sky Girl]

I worry about the "being referred" aspect of the Facility, Bron. It sounds like it might discourage new members to roleplay because they would fear being referred to the facility. Certainly, some members could use the help, but not many people like being told what to do. I fully support the facility, but this one detail should be addressed.
Well then what are we supposed to do? Require everyone to go through the learning facility and then just graduate those who already know how to roleplay, really quickly? Or the Learning Facility could "help promising roleplayers develop their skill". ???

[bronislav84]

Harry, what other way is there to get ad RPers into the Facility? If they stink and are told so, it's still their choice to go in or not. It's just that the referer method makes them realize it quicker.

SG, both. That's the only other solution, if Harry wants to not have the referrer way. It's drastic, but if asking somebody to improve and go to the Facility is a bad idea, then what are we to do?

[HKim]

Well, I don't like the idea of forcing everyone to go through it either. Some people don't want to roleplay too intensely with paragraphs of detail. In the end, there will be some new member who like to post one liners and prefer it that way.

Maybe instead is to have roleplays specifically geared towards people who are extremely detailed. These roleplays would only allow people certified by the facility to join. That way members would be encouraged to join the facility to earn the certification, but not forced too.

And to prevent people from having to go through the facility, members could submit previous roleplay posts as examples. If its of high enough quality, they can be certified.

[bronislav84]

Well, I don't like the idea of forcing everyone to go through it either. Some people don't want to roleplay too intensely with paragraphs of detail. In the end, there will be some new member who like to post one liners and prefer it that way. Well, these people will only be able to RP with other people like themselves. These RPs are not very enjoyable, since it's similar to a script Fan Fic, but one line at a time. It leaves a lot to the imagination, and may lead to confuisng places. These RPs are genrally not organized well, and have a low degree of plot/challenge.

Maybe instead is to have roleplays specifically geared towards people who are extremely detailed. These roleplays would only allow people certified by the facility to join. That way members would be encouraged to join the facility to earn the certification, but not forced too. Yea, great idea. People could limit thir signups to only people who have passed the Facility. Like I said before, nobody is forcing anybody. People who generally are considered to be low quality RPers tend to play unfairly, move thier own plots in weird fashions, and comit acts looked down upon by most. They'll just not be accepted to the good RPs, since thier skill is sub-par. I hope that eventually, the method I'm trying to introduce will evolve the RP community here into capable people who make the experience more enjoyable for themslves and others.

And to prevent people from having to go through the facility, members could submit previous roleplay posts as examples. If its of high enough quality, they can be certified. That's how the more experienced RPers will bypas it, and it's acceptable.See inside quote. Man, I ended up making a speech. Sheesh. I'm becoming you, Harry. I wonder if that's a bad thing or a good thing. Hmm...

[Neo Pikachu]

I don't like choosing sides with these kinds of things, but I'd really have to go with Bron on this one.

Well, I don't like the idea of forcing everyone to go through it either. Some people don't want to roleplay too intensely with paragraphs of detail. In the end, there will be some new member who like to post one liners and prefer it that way.

And that's something that really needs to be corrected, quickly too I might add. People who take their role playing seriously and in detail are definitely going to avoid these RPs like the plague. Then, when the serious RPs come along, only the strong and detailed posters will be accepted. Basically, you're allowing the entire RP community be seperated into two parts. Not the best idea in my opinion...

Maybe instead is to have roleplays specifically geared towards people who are extremely detailed. These roleplays would only allow people certified by the facility to join. That way members would be encouraged to join the facility to earn the certification, but not forced too.

I think the idea here is to promote everyone to get detailed and role play seriously. Trust me, I didn't write a 12 page guide on how to roleplay well just so people could say "Nah... you know what? I just continue doing my own thing and act like I don't care." I wrote it so people would read it and try to get themselves to role play better, and make every new RP more realistic than the last. If anything, it's highly discouraging to detailed RPers when they find their RPs being bombarded with sign-ups from people who aren't taking their RP seriously, and will find it unfair when they're shut out from it.

If anything, I don't think lowering the standards just so bad RPing will be acceptable is going to do anything to help. We typically discourge awful fan fiction writing, the same should be applied here.

And to prevent people from having to go through the facility, members could submit previous roleplay posts as examples. If its of high enough quality, they can be certified.

I have nothing against that way of handling it.

If anything, I think Bron has the right idea. Let's start here and now with getting people up to speed with good and detailed RPing. Let's not settle with something we feel is low quality, but instead make an upwards movement of making our RP section geared more toward detailed and realistic role playing.

While it may seem mean to tell someone that their style of role playing is terrible, unless someone offers help to make it better, it's just going to stay the same way, and even worse, making that acceptable here will just keep people RPing like that. More and more detailed RPers will be discouraged from participating here simply for the fact that they only want to role play with someone on their level. When inexperienced role players come along to join, it's going to feel even more discouraging to them when they're turned down, and it could possibly make them angry and start a flame war too.

I'm sure Bron feels the same way when I say, let's try to get all RPers to role play with more detail and more realism. In time, they'll begin to see how much better it is and how much more enjoyable an RP can become when everyone who takes part in it tries to make it as fun and as realistic as possible. I believe that's something everyone could appreciate.

[bronislav84]

Well said, my freind. You sure have a way of saying things. I especially liked how you voiced my same opinion that lowering tha stadards to the way the sub-par people do it is a bad idea. All we have to do is get everybody to the standard level, not lower them to the crappy level.

Can I add you to the list, maybe?

Also, if you can help me formulate the threrad correctly, I'd also appreciate that. Well, unless SG beats you to it.

[HKim]

Well, perhaps I did not address my concern in the right format.

I think the greatest setback with telling people that they are horrible is the following disappointment and depression. People don't like to be told that they are weak and while many would overcome that weakness and try harder, others might lose their resolve, effectively destroying any chance of improving their roleplaying.

Bron is right in the regard that we should attempt to boost the roleplaying level, but I fear that we might be doing so at the cost of well... fun. People join roleplays because they enjoy it. They like how they can play a role in the world and use their own creativity to do anything they want. The first roleplay, the first one a member joins, is one of the most memorable for it enamors them to the entire idea.

But, few of these first roleplayers will ever start at the level of Neo or Syrus. No, these members would do one-liners and short posts. If we tell them then, right when they start, that they can't roleplay well, they won't want to roleplay. There is the crucial time period between joining a roleplay and falling in love with it. If we don't give them that time, the time when they find joy, then we're basically cutting off our own potential and the potential of the members. We need to give them the chance to fall in love before they can grow because of it.

After all, members will only want to grow and use the facility if they have fallen in love with roleplaying and want to be as great as the best. The people with the drive are the people who have fallen in love, not those who doubt their own abilities and feel like giving up.

Serebii is perhaps the ultimate example of this. Goodness knows how many times we refer to that forum, but they are considered the forum with the most detailed roleplays. Their roleplayers are top notch and lengthy in post. Yet, they lack the one thing. The youthful energy of new members. Rather than give these early one-liners a chance, I see only a strong focus on the older, experienced roleplayers.

There is a balance that needs to be kept. Both the balance between older and newer members and the balance between serious and fun roleplaying must be aligned. Serebii even denies roleplay ideas if they aren't great. Why should the new members be punished for trying to be creative or wanting to do the simple Pokemon Journey Roleplay?

Serebii is lucky in the fact that they have both a large membership base and a great reputation. Their roleplay section survives because of both. The many new members that do manage to meet the tough requirements can fall in love with the roleplay. Anyone outside of Serebii knows the Serebii reputation for roleplaying and join Serebii roleplays every now and then for details. The entire Serebii Roleplaying section can survive based on these two factors alone.

But the rest of us, we need to consider that we don't have that strength. We have less members and little reputation. Thus we should encourage new members to roleplay to boost activity. Even more important, we owe them the freedom to create roleplays without destroying the fun within it.

I would like to use PC as an example. Many people would call PC chaotic and unorganized. Similarly their roleplays can be called the same way. But, whenever I'm there, I see the members having fun. The simple joy of roleplaying can always be found at PC simply because of their freedom.

The extremes, Serebii and PC, should not be our final goals no matter how good they may be at their strengths. The only outcome of copying them will either be extreme strict organization and few roleplays or massive chaos with no veteran roleplayers. No, we have to find out own path and our own balance. Those two forums can be a way of comparison, but they aren't a means toward an end.

I'm not saying we should settle for low quality roleplays, but we should not discourage roleplayers either. I doubt I would have fallen in love with roleplaying on Serebii simply because their policy wouldn't have allowed the basic roleplaying plot that I joined. There are so many people that lose out because they are told they aren't good enough. So many people hurt in that process. Should we really be the ones that destroy the fun of roleplaying and to separate the weak from the strong?

One can write about the first step out the door. He can describe every detail of movement, of description, of reason for it. He can discuss the philosophy of walking. But if it does not develop the storyline or the character or matter within the story, then it is worthless fluff. I rather read a one-liner that progresses the plot than a novel about nothing.

[bronislav84]

Well, perhaps I did not address my concern in the right format.

I think the greatest setback with telling people that they are horrible is the following disappointment and depression. People don't like to be told that they are weak and while many would overcome that weakness and try harder, others might lose their resolve, effectively destroying any chance of improving their roleplaying.

Well, you make a point, but not a big one. I believe that this separates the people who RP because they got nothing better to do, from those who actually enjoy it. If you quit and do't try to improve when told you're bad, then it means that those people that said it are right. If you go ahad and try to change, then you will eventulaly prove them wrong. This is what my Facility will do: PRovide a way for people who are branded as bad RPers to prove that they don't have to be and that they can change.

Bron is right in the regard that we should attempt to boost the roleplaying level, but I fear that we might be doing so at the cost of well... fun. People join roleplays because they enjoy it. They like how they can play a role in the world and use their own creativity to do anything they want. The first roleplay, the first one a member joins, is one of the most memorable for it enamors them to the entire idea.

But Harry, what about the fun of others? How can we have fun if theres some bad player who has no skill and can't RP? Shold we sacrifice our own fun, so that the disruptor can have fun? I for one won't do that.

But, few of these first roleplayers will ever start at the level of Neo or Syrus. Hey, what about me? What am I, chopped liver? I learned from Syrus, so I should have the right to be mentioned with him. No, these members would do one-liners and short posts. I dissagree. The people who make one line posts and short posts have only one reason that they do it that way: They don't know better. They have to be taught. Harry, please don't say that it's actually okay to sign up for an RP and then post one line and expect to actually have the RP work wll. If we tell them then, right when they start, that they can't roleplay well, they won't want to roleplay. That would only prove that RPing is not for them. If somebody wants to RP, then they will RP and try to improve, and not give up. Giving up just means that they aren't as passionate about it as they first thought. There is the crucial time period between joining a roleplay and falling in love with it. What about when that period doesn't exist? For me, when I fisrt began to write in RPs, I fell in love with it on the spot. I knew that writing like this was what I liked from the moment I learned that we could cooperate in writing stories. That's what they were to me at first: Cooperative stories, The word "Roleplay" didnt exist for me. I actually had to ask what it meant at one point. If we don't give them that time, the time when they find joy, then we're basically cutting off our own potential and the potential of the members. We need to give them the chance to fall in love before they can grow because of it.

Harry, people who RP either have the passion for it or they don't. It shows in how they write. A person who is still developing their passion writes diffeerntly from one who doesn't have it, and both write differently from one who arerady has it. The potential for RP writing is a skill. It can be taught, or practiced. The trick is to figure out if this si what you like ot do, or not. Think of it like a career. People decide on their careers based on if they like it or not, how they feel about it, and how good they are at it.

After all, members will only want to grow and use the facility if they have fallen in love with roleplaying and want to be as great as the best. There's a point at which there becomes nothing to learn. People who are already good sholdn't apply, because there will be nothing new for them to learn. The only reason they may have to apply is if they wanna get the "certification" so they can asure people of their already existing skill. The people with the drive are the people who have fallen in love, not those who doubt their own abilities and feel like giving up. Exactly, so the ones who give up just prove that they don't have the love for it. Simple.

Serebii is perhaps the ultimate example of this. Goodness knows how many times we refer to that forum, but they are considered the forum with the most detailed roleplays. Their roleplayers are top notch and lengthy in post. Yet, they lack the one thing. The youthful energy of new members. Rather than give these early one-liners a chance, I see only a strong focus on the older, experienced roleplayers.

True, but also not true. The way Serebii works is if something crappy is posted, or somebody is making crappy posts, they get refered to one of the Mods. The Mod works with that person to improve the RP that was closed, and perhaps their skill too. Eventually, that person will join the good RPers, and stop being these "new members" you speak of. They are taught, so don''t say that Serebii just dismisses them.More in next post. Have to split this in half.

[bronislav84]

There is a balance that needs to be kept. Both the balance between older and newer members and the balance between serious and fun roleplaying must be aligned. Serebii even denies roleplay ideas if they aren't great. Why should the new members be punished for trying to be creative or wanting to do the simple Pokemon Journey Roleplay?

The only reason that Serebii discourages those kinds is that they are very cliché and are done all too often. They're not very original. And about this denying of ideas, it's necessary. If ideas that are terrible are not kept in check, then the quality of RPs overall will drop and the Serebii RP section wil be come less popular. The reason that they attract people is bacause they mainatin their quality.

Serebii is lucky in the fact that they have both a large membership base and a great reputation. Their roleplay section survives because of both. The many new members that do manage to meet the tough requirements can fall in love with the roleplay. Anyone outside of Serebii knows the Serebii reputation for roleplaying and join Serebii roleplays every now and then for details. The entire Serebii Roleplaying section can survive based on these two factors alone.

It's true more or less, but so what? The reputatipn of the forum has nothing to do with the RP section. If the PR section was crappy, the forum's repuatation wouldn't be able to save it no matter what. Neither could the memebership base. The high quality is what makes the section sucessfull. If that quality level drops, the section suffers.

But the rest of us, we need to consider that we don't have that strength. We have less members and little reputation. Thus we should encourage new members to roleplay to boost activity. Even more important, we owe them the freedom to create roleplays without destroying the fun within it.

I say again, what about the fun of the people who write good? THey can't have fun if there's a crappy RPer around. I for one can't and I know that other good RPers will agree. That person either has to improve, or they get booted out. As I said before, we shouldn't lower the RPs to the low level. We should elevate the players to the level of the RPs. Having crappy RPers and RPs discourages the growth of the section too, I'm afraid. Only crappy RPers will remain, and good people will avoid it liek the plague. This was the main reason why I had alsmost left the board after the fiasco with the leaving of so many menbers and the request for forum changes. The RP section was crappy ,a nd I was powrless to improve it. Now, with my positon I wish to raise the section here from the depths of despair, and return it to it;s former glory.

I would like to use PC as an example. Many people would call PC chaotic and unorganized. Similarly their roleplays can be called the same way. But, whenever I'm there, I see the members having fun. The simple joy of roleplaying can always be found at PC simply because of their freedom.

Freedom is good to a certain extent. The way you speak of PC makes me think that therer's too much of it. This is the kind of freedom we have here, and that's a bad way to have an RP section. The people have to improve, and I hope to accomplish that with my Facility.

The extremes, Serebii and PC, should not be our final goals no matter how good they may be at their strengths. The only outcome of copying them will either be extreme strict organization and few roleplays or massive chaos with no veteran roleplayers. No, we have to find out own path and our own balance. Those two forums can be a way of comparison, but they aren't a means toward an end.

Now this I agree with.

I'm not saying we should settle for low quality roleplays, but we should not discourage roleplayers either. I doubt I would have fallen in love with roleplaying on Serebii simply because their policy wouldn't have allowed the basic roleplaying plot that I joined. There are so many people that lose out because they are told they aren't good enough. So many people hurt in that process. Should we really be the ones that destroy the fun of roleplaying and to separate the weak from the strong?

For your information, I started RPing on a forum with stricter rules than Serbeii. Although their rules later weakend, the starting rules only made me want to adhere to them more. I wanted to write well. The people who lose out are th eones who choose to lose out. They don't have to lose out. They can choose to become better and have fun with others, and not disrupt them. why separate the "weak from the strong" when we can just elimiate the weak and make them into the strong? There sholdn't be a waek group at all.

One can write about the first step out the door. He can describe every detail of movement, of description, of reason for it. He can discuss the philosophy of walking. But if it does not develop the storyline or the character or matter within the story, then it is worthless fluff. I rather read a one-liner that progresses the plot than a novel about nothing.

This last part is true, but moving the story along in one sentence does not mean that the sentence will have any real meaning. Peopel will try to interperet it. Making a more decritive post improves the chances of understanding thats being said/done. Of course, describing to eternity is not good either, and should be discouraged.Sheesh, I'm writng speech after speech. What's hapening to me? Oh well, maybe this is good.

[Neo Pikachu]

Wow... :eek:

Very well said, Bron, you practially said everything I wanted to mention and very nicely too I must add. I would just like to say that we do have to set standards, we can't just let what is obviously low quality to be acceptable, because while it may be "fun" for others, it's going to be at the detriment of those who are really passionate about RPing. These two groups of good RPers and bad RPers cannot co-exist no matter how much you would like it to. One group would easily become inferior to the other. If they aren't discourged now, they will be discourged later when they aren't accepted to the detailed RPs. So let's make the right choice and get them on the right track now. I don't want the RP section to become a civil war among people who want to RP well and those who just want to do whatever they want.

If you want the RP section to become detailed, high quality, and more realistic, then let's go with Bron's approach and refer members who miss the mark when it comes to role playing. But if you really want role playing with one-liners and low realism to be perfectly fine, then there's really no point to this or the guide that I had spent hours to write. If you let bad RPing to continue, then it will dominate this board the same way it does at PC.

There's no gray area in this board, as much as you would like to believe...

[HKim]

I suppose...

Perhaps I worry about the new members too much. In each of them I see another Syrus or a Neo just waiting to sprout and I worry that through this that we might break their spirit and never see their growth.

But then again... children are stronger than we think.

I have stated my cautions already, but I do not object to this idea. You have my support. Let's see where it goes.

[Sky Girl]

I have an idea. But I've got to finish typing it. >.< Hold on. I'll be done in a sec.

Edit: Okay, all I have to say in regard to the above posts is, Bron that was like, woah.

Now, I am not disagreeing with Bron or Neo, I'm merely trying to incorporate Kim's concerns as well. Require everyone to go through the Facility and get their RolePlaying Certicfiction. Members such as Syrus, Neo, and Bron, whom we already know can roleplay very well, will be given their Certification automatically. Other experienced RolePlayers may provide an example of their RolePlaying (as Bron suggested earlier), to be judged by the Facility. Now, here's the new part. Provide two different certification levels. A Junior RolePlayer's Certification and a Senior RolePlayer's Certification. 1) Junior - RolePlayers at this level do not post one-liners. But their posts are not as detailed as maybe Neo's or Syrus's. No, this does not mean their RolePlaying is crappy, nor does it mean that they are really good. This is just the average RolePlayer who is currently working to improve their skill. Or maybe they don't want to improve, but find it fun at the level they are at. 2) Senior - These are RolePlayers who work hard when they RolePlay and have fun doing it. They're RolePlaying is detailed and thought out. Obviously, it's better than that of a Junior RolePlayer's. Students would have a choice of getting a Junior Certification or a Senior Certification. Or they can get a Junior Certification and come back later to get their Senior Certification.

This is just an idea. If you don't like it, just say so. I won't argue or anything. I was just trying to find a medium.

And, yes, I type slow. :tongue: (Plus I had to read all of what Bron posted first x_x)

[bronislav84]

SG, nice idea. It eliminates the people deemed terrible by elevationg them enough to be relatively accepatble, providing a middle ground.

Would you like to discuss it over AIM? Do try to find me.

[Neo Pikachu]

Actually, I could agree with Star Girl's idea of having multiple levels. It could also be good motivation to try and go for the highest level of role player possible.

[Channel Delibird]

I think that's a brilliant idea and provides some distinction between n00b and so-called 'elite', which is sometimes something the forum lacks.

[Deathspector]

I think that's a brilliant idea and provides some distinction between n00b and so-called 'elite', which is sometimes something the forum lacks.

Umm...Vex, I don't think that this forum was opened up with the intention of separating the "n00bs" and the elites". No offense or anything, but making a distinction like that is what real n00bidity is about.

Sky Girl PMed me about this, and I took a look. I found it quite interesting. I feel that I must put up my own points of view.

Sorry for anyone I'm offending, but I agree with Hkim. He makes a big point in saying that most people who post one-liners are either new to forums, or new to writting in the first place. It feels a shame to be stooping down so low as to telling them that they can't RP. I feel that the best way to make them improve is to tell them how they could improve, in a very polite manner (In all my modesty, I must say that I'm quite good at that...XP.

Sky Girl brings up an excellent point in speaking of the different levels. Maybe we should have about three, and in each level, we teach different things, depending on the level of the RPer. However, I feel for the lower levels, we must have an experinced RPer teaching them. It would boost their morale (that's the right selling, right?), to have a legend tecah them. The more experienced RPers couldn't care less, and would only want to get better in their skills.

I speak as if I'm a part of this organization, and technically, I'm not. But Sky Girl Pmed me, telling me that Bron was thinking of having me as an "apprentice teacher". If you aren't that's fine. I just thought that I might add some thought into this matter.

DS

[Kenny_C.002]

Hmmm...having a legend teach them would be a good idea.

But also, how are we going to branch out in terms of RPing style? Most certainly people call me as one of the better RPers in my time, but my style is completely different from that of Syrus, Neo, Harry, etc. I'm not sure how you hammer things out from here, but I'll look forward to see how things turn out. :)

[Deathspector]

Hmmm...having a legend teach them would be a good idea.

But also, how are we going to branch out in terms of RPing style? Most certainly people call me as one of the better RPers in my time, but my style is completely different from that of Syrus, Neo, Harry, etc. I'm not sure how you hammer things out from here, but I'll look forward to see how things turn out. :)

I understand how everyon has a different RPing style from others. Some like to describe everthing, leaving only a couple of lines for speech (I'm one of them), while some like to get into all emotional crap, and other still, like to explain actions.

I'm sure that we all don't want to teach exactly the same thing, and if so, maybe Bron could state out a curriculum of what these RPers should learn by the time they leave the Facility. Each tecaher can go about it in his or her own way, but whatever Bron says, must be done.

I dunno, but that's my ideas...

DS

[bronislav84]

Not quite, DS. Not quite. The way it works is we let the students kind of teach themselves. *grumble*And once agian, I don't get mentioned amounfg "The Greats." No respect...*grumble*

We let them post, and then we explain what's wrong with the post. As Kenny and you pointed out, everybody has a different style of writing. It's not right for us to impose a style on somebody. Therefore, we will just be coaching them, making repost until they learn what it means to actually write a good entry.

Would you two like to be aded to the list, formally?

[Incongruity]

Not quite, DS. Not quite. The way it works is we let the students kind of teach themselves. *grumble*And once agian, I don't get mentioned amounfg "The Greats." No respect...*grumble*
You know why? It's cause you're a storyteller, but not a good story creator. It's interesting to read in the short run, but the overall plot is just dreadful. Yes, this goes for many, many, many rpers who think they are the shiz. Great writing, no actual substance tho. You do not need a 10,000 word post describing your walk through a forest and your emotions, when that will contribute nothing to the overall plot. In other words, you impress people, but nobody really cares. And by "you" i mean any rper who thinks he or she owns, whether it be subconsciously or openly.



The reason there are some "greats" and there are the nubs who fill the void of the "greats" but not as completely or fulfillingly is because the "greats" as you call them could write and they could create a story, while those who filled the void of the "greats" can just write, but it's about nothing.


I personally believe an rp should be like a movie, where each person is producer-writer-director-actor in one. The main problem I see is that rpers are either plain bad, or they take the role of biographer and go off on their own boring path in the middle of nowhere while planning to interact or at least to affect other, but never actually doing so.




or maybe i'm just talking about the last rp i was in which pretty much disgusted me and repelled me from pursuing anything of the sort again.

[Deathspector]

ssk1911: No offense, or anything, but you didn't exactly contribute to the actual topic of thisthread. Next time, read the whole thing before posting some ****...

Bron: Okay, I understand now, but I still feel that the less experinced RPers should be "coached" by legends like Neo, Syrus, and of course, the great BRONISLAV. XP. Don't take that offensively, okay? Anyway, I'd love to be added to the list "formally".

So, now that I know what's going on, slightly, I can help with this. I wasn't saying that we have to force our own styles down onto the young RPers, but I know how you guys took it. It won't work, now that I know what's happeinging. If you need me just shout (not literally, please...XP)

DS

[Tiana_M]

Well I have two things to say, First off I'd like to join this section of TMI. Second, if we're gonna be coaching the newer RPGer's I say that we don't only tell them what's bad about their posts but what's good about them also. I hope you were planning on doing that anyway because no one enjoys stark criticism of anything they do and it would turn a lot of people away from the school if stark criticism was all they got.

[bronislav84]

sk, that second part hurts. The first part maybe. The describing is what makes a post great. Where have you been, anyway? What you're probably talking about only goes for you. Many people actually like my writing. To each his oen, I guess.
Do you wanna be added to the list?

DS, I'll "yell" later.

Tiana, welcome, and good point. That was a given, but thanks for mentioning it anyway.

[Incongruity]

sk, that second part hurts. The first part maybe. The describing is what makes a post great. Where have you been, anyway? What you're probably talking about only goes for you. Many people actually like my writing. To each his oen, I guess.
Do you wanna be added to the list?

DS, I'll "yell" later.

Tiana, welcome, and good point. That was a given, but thanks for mentioning it anyway.
I'm just trying to point out that it seems rps have degraded into two sections:

-Directionless RPs that are doomed to die because they're just gatherings of self-appointed elites who write posts that are basically nothing but fluff. No, it's not always lack of dedication that leads to death. It's because when an rp seems to be dying and when one of the "greats" as you call them isn't there to liven it up, people lose motivation. Slowly, the entire thing just dies.

or

-Just plain crap



About the "actual" topic as you [DS] call it, yea, I contributed to it. I indirectly contributed my opinion by suggesting that something like this can make people who write crap into people who write crap but appear good.

If you want a more direct approach? I simply cannot believe we're planning mechanize the rp section on this forum, and worse, using this type of method. "Respond to the given event"? Please, that just isolates two posts away from the context of an rp. You're making rping solely about description and quality of writing; while that is certainly good and necessary, it must come second to the progression of the actual plot. When a post is created out of nowhere, there is no actual plot, no backstory, no pre-developed character, no exposition, no nothing. You're basically encouraging the fluff that I (and from what I can tell based on a previous post, also harry) dislike. Obviously, there needs to be a balance between description & plot, but this entire concept seems to champion the extreme of long but pointless posts that lead to a truly "low degree of plot."




About the conflict between nub-sympathizers and pompous elites? I agree for once w/ harry in that I believe a referral to a program like this would be the equivalent of kicking that nub in the groin, but in a nice way.:rolleyes:





Now I'm sure if you guys can't think of an actual rebuttal, someone will ask, "Ok, what's your idea?"

Mine? Don't be so unrealistic. Not everyone has countless hours to devote to a hobby like this. When an actual rp shows up that has potential, then you might want to systematize it. Like the war rp, give a reward for good rping. URPG money, pure recognition (since many people here are attention-deprived and need that sort of glory), a banner, etc. If you violate the rules multiple times, you're out. Just make the rules slightly stricter so they not only discourage the classic idiocy of godmoding and bunnying, but also the new idiocy of not writing anything of substance, contributing but w/o proper description, etc. etc. The basic point? Make the "training" an actual rp instead of forcing those who you arbitrarily deem nubly to participate in a program that will inevitably hurt some. Most likely, the program that's currently being planned won't even teach important rp skills (like developing a story). Yes, an actual rp will not necessarily teach that skill either, but the kind of program that's being discussed right now has a significantly lower chance of teaching anyone anything other than how to inject posts with superfluous detail.

To all of you, don't just dismiss this as mindless hate; think about it for a second. I don't care if you blindly ignore it afterwards, but maybe I'll have planted that seed of doubt that will lead to self-reflection in those of you that are humble in appearance but not in conscience.

[Tiana_M]

Well ssk, you've got a good point, but we can't really control what kinds of stories people try to post, I mean that's the whole point of having an other RP section, so that we can come up with stories of our own and have them role played. Also, if the Facility becomes what we want it to, it's not supposed to incourage the fluff you seem so afraid of. In fact we're trying to get rid of fluff and bad Role playing all around. We'll cater to the needs of each roleplayer individually to teach them each how they can improve. Or that's what it sounds like to me so far.

[Deathspector]

Ssk: As Tianna said, you make a good point. Sorry about biting your head off earlier. I went through the post again, and I see what you mean. But as Bron said, we don't want to change the style of someone, and if someone likes to write descriptively, well, we can't help it.

I know what you mean when one of the "greats" don't turn up to make a dying RP back to life again, but isn't that what we're trying to do? Make new "greats" who will come and revive an old RP from near death? of course, they need coaching.

Also, if we wait for a good RP to come up, it could take ages, so I suggest that we create our own RP, instead of waiting. That way, we could make the plot perfect for teaching.

We do not (I hope) intend to make every RPer into a descriptive writer, so that our message boards become like those at Serebii. We also want our RPers to have fun, but at least they should not spoil it for the othersby posting a one liner in the middle of nowhere that says:

"Hi. How are you. Let's go and explore the world."

Tiana_M: Welcome back. I haven't seen you around in a while. Anyway...

I, atleast, was planning on also pointing out the good points, but still, it's no use in bloating someone's head, so that they become crap at RPing because we said they were good. We shall encourage them to confront their weaknesses, and overcome them, rather than plainly critisizing.

Bron: Yeah...anytime...XP

[Kenny_C.002]

I personally believe an rp should be like a movie, where each person is producer-writer-director-actor in one. The main problem I see is that rpers are either plain bad, or they take the role of biographer and go off on their own boring path in the middle of nowhere while planning to interact or at least to affect other, but never actually doing so.

or maybe i'm just talking about the last rp i was in which pretty much disgusted me and repelled me from pursuing anything of the sort again.

Agreed. I have had many attempts at forcing interactions in most of the earlier RPs that I was in. That seemed to be quite a bit less desirable to many (like Dani and the like), and therefore I can only do so indirectly, which is difficult to do.

[Tiana_M]

Tiana_M: Welcome back. I haven't seen you around in a while. Anyway...

I, atleast, was planning on also pointing out the good points, but still, it's no use in bloating someone's head, so that they become crap at RPing because we said they were good.

Thanks It's good to be back. And I see your point about getting big heads but I didn't mean for us to compliment them even if what they wrote really did suck, I just meant for us not to be just ragging on them all the time. That's all I was worried about. 'cause if they think we're doing the Facility just to rag on how they suck and we're better than them then no one will want to join and the whole thing would collapse and probably be shut down.

[Marill]

Well, people, I'm ready to join in on the action if you don't mind. There is so much that the RP section needs... and so much that needs to be changed. I wouldn't mind helping out (seeing as I twice was the board's moderator.)

[Tiana_M]

I can't remember if this was already addressed, if so just ignore my post 'caue I'm too tired and lazy to go back and read through all the posts at the moment.

I have been seeing some really really horrible RP's trying to be started in the Other RP section that have not plot whatsoever and are about really great games/anime/etc. that deserve to be played, but with a plot and some thought put into them. I don't know if it's been suggested before but we should probably make a guide for beginning an RP too. You know just something that demonstrates the difference between a disgusting plot for an RP that noone will be interested in or that doesn't give anywhere near enough background, vs. a starting plot that actually has some thought behind it and shows that the person who starts it at least has some idea of what they are doing.

I just thought I'd point this out just in case it hadn't been addressed before, if it has already been thought of and taken care of, then like I said before just ignore this post. I'll delete it later if that is necessary.

[Deathspector]

No, Tiana, that pojnt has not been brought up in that way, but we have been talking about how completely idiotic some people have been while starting a RPG. Thanks for bringing that up, though, although I have a feeling why.

One more thing that the facility needs is to make everyone who joins read Neo Pikachu's RPG guide, because I can beat that ann of the n00bs that start these types of RPGs have not even taken into account the guide. It's obvious to see from their plotlines, because I feel that NP has really explained what it menas to start an RPG.

DS

EDIT: Welcome to the team, Marill.

[Tiana_M]

Ok well, I agree with you, DS, that all that join the Facility ought to read the guide NP made, it is an awsome guide that explains things very well. But like everything else we can't force them to read it, but if we pretend like the Facility is a classroom setting and we're the teachers, we could give it to them to do as "HW" and then test them on it by having them play in a pretend RP, and by having them write a plot of their own and then we "grade" how they RP and the plot they write. Then we can point out sections of NP's guide that they might want to look over again, if they didn't seem to get the point of what was being said.

[Kari Mary]

Can i join?:neutral:

[Deathspector]

Ok well, I agree with you, DS, that all that join the Facility ought to read the guide NP made, it is an awsome guide that explains things very well. But like everything else we can't force them to read it, but if we pretend like the Facility is a classroom setting and we're the teachers, we could give it to them to do as "HW" and then test them on it by having them play in a pretend RP, and by having them write a plot of their own and then we "grade" how they RP and the plot they write. Then we can point out sections of NP's guide that they might want to look over again, if they didn't seem to get the point of what was being said.

Yeah, good idea. I was thinking the same thing. Ask them to read it, and then question them about different parts of it. I think Bron'll be happy to hear that.

Can i join?

If you really want a truthful answer, then no. You may join the facility when it opens, but unfortunately, you're not an experience enough Role Player to join the teaching guild (nice name, huh?). But then again, it's all up to Bron.

[Sky Girl]

:rolleyes: DS, she can join the TMI RolePlay Department if she wants to. Anyone can contribute ideas. Not everyone in it is going to be a teacher.

So yes, Kari Mary, you may join the TMI RolePlay Department, if that's what you were asking. Though, you'll probably need Bron's final say-so..

As to the other topic, I think we should definately suggest that all the students read the guide. But I don't know if it should be a requirement. I mean, we can't really force them to, can we? Cause, it's just, a test....I don't know. I guess I'm in agreement with telling them to read the guide (which they may or may not do) but not giving them a test over it.

[Marill]

Looking through the previous posts, I saw one thing that I liked: A Certification.

It's quite different. For the uncertified members, we could have a board still for them, however their posts in that board wouldn't go towards their post count. Most role-players require a sample from the Role-Players already, and with a certification, this wouldn't have to exist. Though, I don't know exactly how you would go through with it diplomatically and unbiased. You would need a panel, not just one member making decisions.

But, that really does sound like a great idea. Sky Girl, I agree that it shouldn't be a requirement to read how to role-play, as everyone role-plays in their own unique fashion. However, it could be a study guide to passing the test; some supplemental reading for sorts.

I really do like it.

And just to let you know, I'm active again. >_>;;

[Sky Girl]

Well, the Certification goes along with the RolePlay Facility. The original idea was to require everyone to go through the Facility, so that everyone would be on the same level of roleplaying. But, this posed a problem (as Kim pointed out) because it may discourage some new members from roleplaying. Also, some people may just be to lazy to go through the whole course. With two levels of certification, we can ensure that anyone who goes through the Facility, even if it's just to reach the Junior level, is a decent roleplayer. The Facility will be led by Bron and a few teachers who will guide students through the roleplaying process. (Thus, it is not only one person) They (hopefully) will not press their individual styles of roleplaying on the students, but will instead encourage students to develop their own manner. And of course, they will point out the good and the bad of the students' writing.

It's great that your active again. ^_^ Your ideas and assistance are always welcome.

[Marill]

Well, the Certification goes along with the RolePlay Facility. The original idea was to require everyone to go through the Facility, so that everyone would be on the same level of roleplaying. But, this posed a problem (as Kim pointed out) because it may discourage some new members from roleplaying. Also, some people may just be to lazy to go through the whole course. With two levels of certification, we can ensure that anyone who goes through the Facility, even if it's just to reach the Junior level, is a decent roleplayer. The Facility will be led by Bron and a few teachers who will guide students through the roleplaying process. (Thus, it is not only one person) They (hopefully) will not press their individual styles of roleplaying on the students, but will instead encourage students to develop their own manner. And of course, they will point out the good and the bad of the students' writing.

It's great that your active again. ^_^ Your ideas and assistance are always welcome.
What about a Pokemon University of sorts? Like you were saying: We could have junior members and then graduates. Graduates could go ahead and role-play without supervision. The others would still be able to participate, however with help from us. We could host role-plays and graduate-level members could go through and help guide a role-play or even take part themselves. And when a certain level of success has been acheived, they graduate from the University. Yea or nay?


EDIT:

The following is a private message from me to Ryan. But, I was told I needed to discuss this with you guys. So, here we go:

I wanted to drop in and discuss with you the role play section. First off, I know it is my fault for becoming inactive like that, and I cannot stress to you how sorry I am for doing that. But, as mentioned previously, college stress can be overwhelming, and I had to have time to figure everything out.

Secondly, I just wanted you to know that in the best interest of the forum, some changes need to be made in the role play section. The role play section is crucial in nearly any forum, as it is where members bond, imagination thrives, and forum activity can stem from.

The role play section does not need its own sub-forum for discussion. If you look there, there is a discussion going on for various sections of one particular role play. This shouldn't be the case. If anything, discussions should be led in a thread within the role-play sections of PKMN RP and Other RP.

In addition, there need not be another sub-form for just signing up in the role play. It is very messy and can get quite confusing. It may also lead to inactivity from trying to have to switch back and forth to see who's in what and who is who and so forth.

Thank you for your time,
Chad

[Incongruity]

The following is a private message from me to Ryan. But, I was told I needed to discuss this with you guys. So, here we go:

I wanted to drop in and discuss with you the role play section. First off, I know it is my fault for becoming inactive like that, and I cannot stress to you how sorry I am for doing that. But, as mentioned previously, college stress can be overwhelming, and I had to have time to figure everything out.

Secondly, I just wanted you to know that in the best interest of the forum, some changes need to be made in the role play section. The role play section is crucial in nearly any forum, as it is where members bond, imagination thrives, and forum activity can stem from.

The role play section does not need its own sub-forum for discussion. If you look there, there is a discussion going on for various sections of one particular role play. This shouldn't be the case. If anything, discussions should be led in a thread within the role-play sections of PKMN RP and Other RP.

In addition, there need not be another sub-form for just signing up in the role play. It is very messy and can get quite confusing. It may also lead to inactivity from trying to have to switch back and forth to see who's in what and who is who and so forth.

Thank you for your time,
ChadSo I'm not the only one who was thinking of that! I was gonna say something but you guys all seemed so confident.


A separate discussion thread in a separate board is inherently flawed.
-Constantly switching
-Discussion can be overlooked
-Difficult to place the OOC posts in context (because they're in separate boards, it's harder to know what posts exactly the discussion was referring to)
-etc.



Not so sure about the signups tho. I guess you could see exactly who is who in order, without having any rp posts in between (for late joiners), but I don't really know. I remember the last rp I was in (the war rp) it was kind of inconvenient to try to find the rp profile of someone who joined a little later on. Although, I suppose this could be solved by profiles in signatures/tops of posts? Idk, I'm not adamantly against the signups board.




Personally, and this is solely my opinion, it seems that the new sub-boards were nothing but facades to make the RP Department appear as if it was accomplishing something.

[bronislav84]

My god, this place has been very active since I'v been busy. I'm very sorry I haven't checked. Life, you know.

[Kari Mary]

Can i join, Bron?:ermm:

[bronislav84]

Yes, yes.

It's just that there are too many things I want to adress in this thread, and I don't have time to adress them all today. I will edit the first post sometime soon, and I also wanna discuss how flawed Chad's and sk's views are. That will be quite fun, for I love debate.

But right now, I read over everything and will either edit this post, or post my thoughts tomorrow (Well, today, since it's already Friday for me as I'm typing this).

[Deathspector]

Kari Mary: Before saying anything else, I'd like to offer you an apology for being so mean to you. I didn't understand your request, and acted harshly. Forgive me for biting your head off, and welcome to the team. I'm sure that you'll be a big help to use.

Rest: Now that that's over, I'd like to add a little something of my own to the subject. I understand what Chad and SSK are trying to say, but you must admit that it's really helped clean up the RPG board. before, people used to ask random questions out of the blue. However, we do need a "Simple Question" thread for the new members to ask questions until the facility is opened.

Idea

DS

[Sky Girl]

What about a Pokemon University of sorts? Like you were saying: We could have junior members and then graduates. Graduates could go ahead and role-play without supervision. The others would still be able to participate, however with help from us. We could host role-plays and graduate-level members could go through and help guide a role-play or even take part themselves. And when a certain level of success has been acheived, they graduate from the University. Yea or nay?

It sounds a lot like the Facility. But I don't fully understand what you're saying, so I won't comment. Btw, are you ever on aim anymore?

As to the RolePlay sub-sections, for once I kind of agree with ssk. Whereas I was originally in favor of the roleplay discussion board, I see your point of how it would be difficult to keep up with both threads. Though, I do believe there are some cases in which it may be helpful. I'm definately not opposed to the Sign-Up board. But, overall, I find myself agreeing with you there.

[Marill]

It sounds a lot like the Facility. But I don't fully understand what you're saying, so I won't comment. Btw, are you ever on aim anymore?

As to the RolePlay sub-sections, for once I kind of agree with ssk. Whereas I was originally in favor of the roleplay discussion board, I see your point of how it would be difficult to keep up with both threads. Though, I do believe there are some cases in which it may be helpful. I'm definately not opposed to the Sign-Up board. But, overall, I find myself agreeing with you there.
What don't you understand?

And, I am on AIM sometimes, but just at random moments. Your best bet is to find me on MSN.

[Sky Girl]

What don't you understand?

And, I am on AIM sometimes, but just at random moments. Your best bet is to find me on MSN.
Well, for one, it really doesn't seem much different than our current idea. Except for two things - Any graduate can help guide Junior roleplayers. And, it seems to eliminate the point of certification levels. With the Facility, students work toward the Junior certification until they achieve it; then they do the same until they achieve Senior certification. Your idea appears to be that everyone is a Junior until they take the class. And when they pass, the become a graduate. :eh:

I know this is probably not what you mean. Thus, I don't understand.

[Marill]

Well, for one, it really doesn't seem much different than our current idea. Except for two things - Any graduate can help guide Junior roleplayers. And, it seems to eliminate the point of certification levels. With the Facility, students work toward the Junior certification until they achieve it; then they do the same until they achieve Senior certification. Your idea appears to be that everyone is a Junior until they take the class. And when they pass, the become a graduate. :eh:

I know this is probably not what you mean. Thus, I don't understand.
Well, that was basically the idea. I wasn't trying to add a new program; elaboration on the "facility" was key. I was thinking by having mentor-like members role playing with the new kids on the block, you would help reveal to them the fun and intrigue that accompanies role play. Instead of having new members be completely on their own, have advisors, see? I think we have roughly the same idea, more or less.

[Deathspector]

Well, that was basically the idea. I wasn't trying to add a new program; elaboration on the "facility" was key. I was thinking by having mentor-like members role playing with the new kids on the block, you would help reveal to them the fun and intrigue that accompanies role play. Instead of having new members be completely on their own, have advisors, see? I think we have roughly the same idea, more or less.

That was basically the same idea that I brought up previously in the thread, at least I think it is. Have the legendaries teach the younger and less experienced Role Players, while have people like me, and less legendary-like people teach the more expeirnced Role Players...

Just an idea...

[Kari Mary]

Kari Mary: Before saying anything else, I'd like to offer you an apology for being so mean to you. I didn't understand your request, and acted harshly. Forgive me for biting your head off, and welcome to the team. I'm sure that you'll be a big help to use.

Rest: Now that that's over, I'd like to add a little something of my own to the subject. I understand what Chad and SSK are trying to say, but you must admit that it's really helped clean up the RPG board. before, people used to ask random questions out of the blue. However, we do need a "Simple Question" thread for the new members to ask questions until the facility is opened.

Idea

DS
Apology accepted... Just don't be rude next time o.k?:wink:

[Marill]

Yes, yes.

It's just that there are too many things I want to adress in this thread, and I don't have time to adress them all today. I will edit the first post sometime soon, and I also wanna discuss how flawed Chad's and sk's views are. That will be quite fun, for I love debate.

But right now, I read over everything and will either edit this post, or post my thoughts tomorrow (Well, today, since it's already Friday for me as I'm typing this).

Bron... it's been days. I'm awaiting your reply.

[Tiana_M]

I like the idea of a mentor system, but I think that before anyone becomes a mentor of the Facility they must first earn a Junior certificate at the very least.

Sk, if that was the idea you were trying to get at in the first place then cool I like it.

I fear I have not seen Bron on either for a while now, but I'm sure he's just busy w/RL.

It seems to me that our uniform contest died away. I admit I did not come through with my idea, but I could never fully develope anything that I really liked and could stick with, plus I have no way of putting a pic. of what I ended up creating anyway. I hope the rest of those working on that haven't given up too. It would be nice to have an official uniform design done by someone who has some idea of what they're doing with a pc software for pics.

That's all fer now I guess.

[Marill]

I like the idea of a mentor system, but I think that before anyone becomes a mentor of the Facility they must first earn a Junior certificate at the very least.

Sk, if that was the idea you were trying to get at in the first place then cool I like it.

I fear I have not seen Bron on either for a while now, but I'm sure he's just busy w/RL.

It seems to me that our uniform contest died away. I admit I did not come through with my idea, but I could never fully develope anything that I really liked and could stick with, plus I have no way of putting a pic. of what I ended up creating anyway. I hope the rest of those working on that haven't given up too. It would be nice to have an official uniform design done by someone who has some idea of what they're doing with a pc software for pics.

That's all fer now I guess.
If this was the case, then how could anyone be a mentor in the beginning? I was referring to the fact that one of "us" were mentors beforehand, as we were the founders of the facility.

Members that wanted to become mentors afterhand would still have to complete junior certification, of course.

[Sky Girl]

Are you saying have mentors in addition to teachers? Cause I'm really confused. The teachers have already been chosen, but may be added to later.

[Deathspector]

No, the mentors are the teacher, or atleast according to Marrill.

I, on the other hand, thought that the mentors should be legends like Bron, NP, Marill and other greats who've proved their skill in RPGing and are mentioned around the messaging boards as heroes. But that was what I thought. maybe you guys think better...

DS

[Marill]

No, the mentors are the teacher, or atleast according to Marrill.

I, on the other hand, thought that the mentors should be legends like Bron, NP, Marill and other greats who've proved their skill in RPGing and are mentioned around the messaging boards as heroes. But that was what I thought. maybe you guys think better...

DS

Well, I meant both. You have to have someone "in-charge" for the beginning. That's what I meant by mentors/teachers. The mentors could be elected, or chosen, and they would begin the facility. After more and more graduate, the "graduates" come back to teach and take over, see?

[Deathspector]

What you say makes sense, and would work perfectly had only Bron been opening and teaching in the Facility, but the teachers have already been chosen.

Maybe if a teacher drops out, an announcemt could be put out to the graduates and those who were willing could be put through a test to prove that they were proper teachers

[Marill]

What you say makes sense, and would work perfectly had only Bron been opening and teaching in the Facility, but the teachers have already been chosen.

Maybe if a teacher drops out, an announcemt could be put out to the graduates and those who were willing could be put through a test to prove that they were proper teachers

True, you could always do that.

[Tiana_M]

Ok, Now I have a question, has the Facility been started yet or what? I mean if the teachers have been chosen and we have the rules, shouldn't it be open? I mean if all we do is talk about opening it, and never actually get it going we'll never know what works and what doesn't. I think that much of what we have already talked over can only truly be decided once we have people trying it out and giving us feed back on how they think it ought to change.

If, we've already got a test version of it going and I just wasn't paying attention, could someone tell me where it is?

[bronislav84]

Bron... it's been days. I'm awaiting your reply.I'm terribly busy IRL. I currently don't have as much time to be online as I need to be, and cant write all my thoughts down right now. Don't worry, I will get to it eventually.

[Deathspector]

Ok, Now I have a question, has the Facility been started yet or what? I mean if the teachers have been chosen and we have the rules, shouldn't it be open? I mean if all we do is talk about opening it, and never actually get it going we'll never know what works and what doesn't. I think that much of what we have already talked over can only truly be decided once we have people trying it out and giving us feed back on how they think it ought to change.

If, we've already got a test version of it going and I just wasn't paying attention, could someone tell me where it is?

No, Tiana. We haven't thought up everthing yet, and that's the reason why we haven't started the facility yet. Maybe bron has a vague idea what we're going to put our students through, but we cannot start it yet, not until we fully know exactly how it's going to work...

DS

[HKim]

Well, have we decided on the number of levels yet? Last time I checked I thought we had two, but I think some people have been saying three.

[Deathspector]

Well, have we decided on the number of levels yet? Last time I checked I thought we had two, but I think some people have been saying three.

I doubt that we'll decide anything at this rate. Lol.

I think that we should have three, but I dunno.

[Kenny_C.002]

I doubt that we'll decide anything at this rate. Lol.

I think that we should have three, but I dunno.
Just take a vote to decide then. I mean, we need to move on at some point.

[Deathspector]

Just take a vote to decide then. I mean, we need to move on at some point.

Yeah, all we need to do is wait from Bron. I haven't seen him online for a while, but I have a feeling that we shouldn't start anything like a voting thingy, until he gives the "okay". Unless he's appointed someone as a second in command, so that way, that person can do it. Either way, we will still have to wait...

[bronislav84]

Okay, I know this is suden, but since you two are the most active, Tiana and DS, you can have "second in command" as you put it.

Oh, and I think I'll put up the facitlity, though I don't know how much good that will do, since you guys seem to have so many problems with it.

*Goes to get thread from TMI forum*

[Deathspector]

Oh wow...

Okay, I was expecting someone like Neo, or HKim, or some other person who's been on the forum for longer to be "second in command", but it's fine with me...XD. I suggest you don't open up the facility just yet, not until we've all decided on a few basic ground rules...just a suggestion.

DS

EDIT: Too late...I just saw it...XP. Anyway, might as well make meself known there...XD

[Marill]

Well, seeing as the last post here was in March... is the Department dead?

[bronislav84]

Sorta. We've had no new ideas for a while, and the Facility hasn't done much for a while. I've been busy with school and MS, but I'll be back in full once school is over and Finals are over, too.

[Marill]

Sorta. We've had no new ideas for a while, and the Facility hasn't done much for a while. I've been busy with school and MS, but I'll be back in full once school is over and Finals are over, too.
Well as soon as you are back for good, we'll collaborate and such. I think the War RP is a prime time for the Role Play section. Everyone's there.... and I think this would be an awesome point in trying to revive the entire section. Just a thought.

[bronislav84]

Yes, and my team isn't fully signed up yet, so yes, the War RP is my main focus right now. DS seems to be handling the Junior RP well, if you wanna see. :cool:

[Marill]

Yes, and my team isn't fully signed up yet, so yes, the War RP is my main focus right now. DS seems to be handling the Junior RP well, if you wanna see. :cool:
Junior RP? Hmm, I'll have to go and check it out. I haven't even created my profile for the WAR, so it's on my priority list as well. But, while there is so much concentration on the RP board... we should make the best of it.

[Deathspector]

Okay, I noticed that the last post in this thread was an what? The eleventh of May, and it's now the thirty-first of August. Three months and twenty days. That's quite a long time, considering this is a sticky thread, which means it's important, and usually is active. But even the other main TMI threads are practically dead. This place is filled with radio shows. Now, there's nothing wrong with radio shows, it's just that the TMI departments are important for the forum. Here we discuss things that could advance the forum. I suggest we try to make this a bit more active, eh guys?

I understand that exams were going on during May (at least it was for me), but now that holidays after the annual exams are over for most of us. I've noticed that it is school-days when the forum is most active. Odd, now that I think about it. I always thought that during the holidays, the forum would be packed with people, but it was rather empty. This is mainly because holiday time is usually when people go out on trips to some country abroad, or even within the country, and would rather spend their time in the holiday destination doing things that one would do in that place, than go on the internet and Role Play.

But Now, I believe, the forums are resonably active. The Role Play section has many potentional Role Players sprouting up like xoxkris and Danne12. We were all like that. So I suggest we reopen the RP Facility? I don't know, but I really enjoyed that brief period when it was running. I am suggesting we open it, but after some really in depth thinking. I have a reasonable amount of time, so I wouldn't mind being a teacher again if the need pops up.

Anyway, what do you all think? If you still read the thread. XP

DS

[Neo Pikachu]

Big problem that happened to Bron was computer trouble. Last time I talked to him, he was getting a whole new computer, so hopefully he’ll be back soon.

Second, Harry has also been mildly inactive, maybe only coming on twice a week for a very short amount of time to post maybe only once or twice. Problem here is time in my opinion. School is also starting now, but that shouldn’t be too much of a fatal problem.

I guess I could use the TMI area for planning the ToD (Tides of Darkness, a type of Battleship game which involves the teams), since that does involve a RP. ER has also been a big help in planning with that, and maybe it would be good to get it all down in readable format. Plans for that are in the winter, it would probably be good to get that started now, but the main plans have already been forumulated.

[Deathspector]

Big problem that happened to Bron was computer trouble. Last time I talked to him, he was getting a whole new computer, so hopefully he’ll be back soon.

Second, Harry has also been mildly inactive, maybe only coming on twice a week for a very short amount of time to post maybe only once or twice. Problem here is time in my opinion. School is also starting now, but that shouldn’t be too much of a fatal problem.

I guess I could use the TMI area for planning the ToD (Tides of Darkness, a type of Battleship game which involves the teams), since that does involve a RP. ER has also been a big help in planning with that, and maybe it would be good to get it all down in readable format. Plans for that are in the winter, it would probably be good to get that started now, but the main plans have already been forumulated.

Oh, then nver mind my previous post. I was only wondering why it' so innactive. I understand that time is a problem here. I don't mind helping with ToD in any way I can, but it might take some time for me to learn the basic rules about it. I've been pretty much dead during the WAR. I know, you and Harry probably hate me for not doing much. Anyway, I shouldn't use this to talk about my personal problems.

DS

[Neo Pikachu]

Oh, then nver mind my previous post. I was only wondering why it' so innactive. I understand that time is a problem here. I don't mind helping with ToD in any way I can, but it might take some time for me to learn the basic rules about it. I've been pretty much dead during the WAR. I know, you and Harry probably hate me for not doing much. Anyway, I shouldn't use this to talk about my personal problems.

DS

Why would we hate you? You're one of the leading members when it comes to helping out. As far as the War, don't worry about it, not everyone was active during it and its okay if you want to help out for a few things and not everything.

Rules for ToD are almost done, they just need perfecting and formatting, but most of the stuff is done. I was thinking of throwing diagrams in there but I think if people read carefully enough, we won't need them.

[bronislav84]

Don't let me stop you, guys. I'm pretty much MIA. Go ahead. At least it gives this place some activity. Personally, I've been fresh out of ideas ever since the Facility.

Feel free to reopen it. I havent heard much from SG, but I got a mass PM from somebody who's interested in joing the staff, and I agreed to it. The more the merrier, I say.

[Deathspector]

Rules for ToD are almost done, they just need perfecting and formatting, but most of the stuff is done. I was thinking of throwing diagrams in there but I think if people read carefully enough, we won't need them.

Truth be told, not many people would read very carefully. I know plenty of people who just skim through teh ting, reading things that looks nice to read. Perhaps diagrams would be better than simply the writing; that is, if you mind having to keep on telling people about the rules. If you don't then diagrams aren't all that necasary.

Don't let me stop you, guys. I'm pretty much MIA. Go ahead. At least it gives this place some activity. Personally, I've been fresh out of ideas ever since the Facility.

Feel free to reopen it. I havent heard much from SG, but I got a mass PM from somebody who's interested in joing the staff, and I agreed to it. The more the merrier, I say.

SG hasn't been active for some time now. After begining the Advanced Role Play, she kind of just faded away. I sent her a PM about some irrelevant thing, but she still hasn't replied. It was a couple of days ago. Anyway, I don't mind organizing it, but we'll need someone a bit more flexible than me to be the "big boss". Someone who can come on at a variety of times. I would have done it during the holidays, but I'm a bit busy.

If anyone has any ideas about things we can add, please feel free to say them.

DS

[Neo Pikachu]

Truth be told, not many people would read very carefully. I know plenty of people who just skim through teh ting, reading things that looks nice to read. Perhaps diagrams would be better than simply the writing; that is, if you mind having to keep on telling people about the rules. If you don't then diagrams aren't all that necasary.

Yeah... I was afraid of that...

Alright, I'll try to include diagrams, but I gotta draw them out first. Good thing its nothing complicated.

[Deathspector]

Yeah... I was afraid of that...

Alright, I'll try to include diagrams, but I gotta draw them out first. Good thing its nothing complicated.

Oops. It looks like I've just made your life a lot more miserable. Anyway, do you have a link to the rules of ToD, and if not, could you spare the time to send me a PM explaining them? If you don't want to then I'll read it when the game comes out. Otherwise, I'd be willing to help.

DS

[Neo Pikachu]

Oops. It looks like I've just made your life a lot more miserable. Anyway, do you have a link to the rules of ToD, and if not, could you spare the time to send me a PM explaining them? If you don't want to then I'll read it when the game comes out. Otherwise, I'd be willing to help.

DS

Meh, no reason to be pessimistic about it, DS.

Nah, this is nothing bad, it would actually make things easier for people to understand. The original rules are right here ( http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showpost.php?p=574485&postcount=222).

[Sky Girl]

DS sent me a PM?... Which I read... And forgot about.... oops. Okay, Facility-wise. I tried. I worked really hard to get RPs graded and keep it going. But when you look at the bare facts. I got zero help. Yeah, DS you started the Junior RP, but you didn't really keep it going after a few people signed up. I wanted to run it too. But I was too busy trying to keep activity up in the Advanced RP. And guess what? I got no help there either. After about two pages, people just quit posting. And did I see any other graders? Nope. Notta. Zero. Zip. The Facility was a great idea, but it's needs active, dedicated people to run it. Lots of them. If you don't have that key part, it's not going to work. I'm telling you. I've been there and done that. I've worked with the Facility from the beginning, until it's short, abrupt end. An end that was probably due to me. No one was posting in the actual RP, so I gave up. And then life kicked in and I forgot about pe2k entirely.

If we can get these key people, I've got plenty of great ideas for some re-organization of the Facility (that I don't have the time to type out right now). But first we need peeps. I'll even set up a recruiting thread, if given permission. But I need feedback in order to do anything.

[Deathspector]

DS sent me a PM?... Which I read... And forgot about.... oops. Okay, Facility-wise. I tried. I worked really hard to get RPs graded and keep it going. But when you look at the bare facts. I got zero help. Yeah, DS you started the Junior RP, but you didn't really keep it going after a few people signed up. I wanted to run it too. But I was too busy trying to keep activity up in the Advanced RP. And guess what? I got no help there either. After about two pages, people just quit posting. And did I see any other graders? Nope. Notta. Zero. Zip. The Facility was a great idea, but it's needs active, dedicated people to run it. Lots of them. If you don't have that key part, it's not going to work. I'm telling you. I've been there and done that. I've worked with the Facility from the beginning, until it's short, abrupt end. An end that was probably due to me. No one was posting in the actual RP, so I gave up. And then life kicked in and I forgot about pe2k entirely.

If we can get these key people, I've got plenty of great ideas for some re-organization of the Facility (that I don't have the time to type out right now). But first we need peeps. I'll even set up a recruiting thread, if given permission. But I need feedback in order to do anything.

Crap.

I'm so sorry. I thought that the Junior RP had died, which is why I didn't do much. It began, and after one post, no one else posted. I PMed and PMed, but to no avail. I joined the Advanced RP...I remember, and then kind of just left. My life on PE2K was kinda dead at that point. Pokémon was almost boring for me. When I came back, and looked at that, the thread was dead. I'm really sorry. Danne has set up a discussion thread on starting a new RP School. Maybe post there, and you'll see some willing people. I'm back on the forum now...and I will try to keep active if you need me.

DS