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ManOwaR
01-13-2006, 07:51 PM
This team started as a "just for fun" but came out with amazing results. Here it is

Jolteon (F) @ Petaya Berry ** Joltestor
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Excelent lead. After 4 subs, petaya will help me sweep the hell of everything.

Breloom (F) @ Leftovers ** Punchinball
Trait: Effect Spore
EVs: 56 HP / 128 Atk / 76 Def / 148 Spd / 100 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Sky Uppercut
- Spore

Nice one. HP will help predicting Gengar and co, and spore causes a switch, that is followed by FP. Very cool.

Regice @ Leftovers ** Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 116 SAtk
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

My special tank. Counters zapdos as well. Toxic is nice for ruinig non-rest stuff like Dusclops.

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band ** Sidious
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Standard CB Sala set. Nothing else to say here, i guess.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Starian
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Rapid spiner set for Starmie. Picked IB over t-bolt, as i have more chances to beat dragons and grass-types.

Weezing (F) @ Leftovers ** Poisonus
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 HP / 60 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Haze
- Pain Split
- Sludge Bomb
- Will-O-Wisp

Another option for hazing. Didn´t want Skarms, as Maggy is a lot out there, and i got countered by focus punches. Will-o-wisp is nice for screwing physical sweepers, too.

HaLuZiNaThOr
01-14-2006, 08:02 PM
Hp ice works better on Jolteon
Leech seed on breloom
scope lens on regice
special sala works better : Fblast/crunch/hydro pump/dragon claw
lose rapid spin for thunderbolt in starmie
weezing needs flamethrower instead of pain split

ManOwaR
01-14-2006, 08:08 PM
1)Hp ice works better on Jolteon
2)Leech seed on breloom
3)scope lens on regice
4)special sala works better : Fblast/crunch/hydro pump/dragon claw
5)lose rapid spin for thunderbolt in starmie
6)weezing needs flamethrower instead of pain split

Ok i splited your post in sections:

1)Hp grass is better as it lets me deal with pert, a common counter for jolteon

2) leech seed is useless, i have lefties. Hp ghost is for gengar

3)Scope lens is a banned item on NB, as it is considered hax stuff that relies on luck instead of skill

4)CB is a lot better. Salaīs max atk is 405*1,5 of choice band is better than its ~350 Satk, everyone knows that

5)Rapid spin is for spikes. You know that skarms is a lot out there, right?

6)weezing's Satk sucks. Pain split works wonderful against lax and bliss.

IT
01-14-2006, 08:11 PM
This team started as a "just for fun" but came out with amazing results. Here it is

Jolteon (F) @ Petaya Berry ** Joltestor
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

I use the exact same set. People don't like it when Swampy goes down from HP Grass. :P

Breloom (F) @ Leftovers ** Punchinball
Trait: Effect Spore
EVs: 56 HP / 128 Atk / 76 Def / 148 Spd / 100 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Sky Uppercut
- Spore

The EV set seems to spread out, take out all Sp Def for Def or vice versa.

Regice @ Leftovers ** Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 116 SAtk
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

Psych Up over Toxic since CM Raikou will say hi to your team and sweep it.

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band ** Sidious
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Flamethrower works fine instead of FB, unless you're mortally afraid of Celebi.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Starian
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Fine.

Weezing (F) @ Leftovers ** Poisonus
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 HP / 60 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Haze
- Pain Split
- Sludge Bomb
- Will-O-Wisp

Fine.


Nice team overall, just that CM Raikou problem if it gets to set up.

ManOwaR
01-14-2006, 11:10 PM
All right, thanks for the rating, IT.

I may try Flamethrower for Sala, just to try accuracy over power, although i don´t use it for cele, more like skarms

And yes, i´ve faced raikou and gave me trouble, so i may go with psych up

Babo
01-15-2006, 01:58 AM
This team started as a "just for fun" but came out with amazing results. Here it is

Jolteon (F) @ Petaya Berry ** Joltestor
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Baton Pass
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Excelent lead. After 4 subs, petaya will help me sweep the hell of everything.

Breloom (F) @ Leftovers ** Punchinball
Trait: Effect Spore
EVs: 56 HP / 128 Atk / 76 Def / 148 Spd / 100 SDef
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Focus Punch
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Sky Uppercut
- Spore

Nice one. HP will help predicting Gengar and co, and spore causes a switch, that is followed by FP. Very cool.

Regice @ Leftovers ** Titanic
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 116 SAtk
Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rest
- Thunderbolt
- Toxic

My special tank. Counters zapdos as well. Toxic is nice for ruinig non-rest stuff like Dusclops.

Salamence (F) @ Choice Band ** Sidious
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Fire Blast
- Hidden Power [Flying]
- Rock Slide

Standard CB Sala set. Nothing else to say here, i guess.

Starmie @ Leftovers ** Starian
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rapid Spin
- Recover
- Surf

Rapid spiner set for Starmie. Picked IB over t-bolt, as i have more chances to beat dragons and grass-types.

Weezing (F) @ Leftovers ** Poisonus
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 196 HP / 60 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Haze
- Pain Split
- Sludge Bomb
- Will-O-Wisp

Another option for hazing. Didn´t want Skarms, as Maggy is a lot out there, and i got countered by focus punches. Will-o-wisp is nice for screwing physical sweepers, too.
Jolteon -> Raikou (Thundershock, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Shock Wave)
Breloom -> Mewtwo (Psychic, Psywave, Psybeam, seismic toss)
Regice -> Articuno (Ice Beam, Blizzard, Fly, sheer cold)
Salamence ->Rayquaza (Dragon claw, dragonbreath, dragon rage, fly)
Starmie -> Kyogre (surf, hydro pump, water pulse, rain dance)
Weezing -> Mew (psychic, psywave, psybeam, seismic toss)

Pika57
01-15-2006, 02:08 AM
Jolteon -> Raikou (Thundershock, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Shock Wave)
Breloom -> Mewtwo (Psychic, Psywave, Psybeam, seismic toss)
Regice -> Articuno (Ice Beam, Blizzard, Fly, sheer cold)
Salamence ->Rayquaza (Dragon claw, dragonbreath, dragon rage, fly)
Starmie -> Kyogre (surf, hydro pump, water pulse, rain dance)
Weezing -> Mew (psychic, psywave, psybeam, seismic toss)


most peopel prefer not to use uubers...

ManOwaR
01-15-2006, 04:13 AM
Jolteon -> Raikou (Thundershock, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Shock Wave)
Breloom -> Mewtwo (Psychic, Psywave, Psybeam, seismic toss)
Regice -> Articuno (Ice Beam, Blizzard, Fly, sheer cold)
Salamence ->Rayquaza (Dragon claw, dragonbreath, dragon rage, fly)
Starmie -> Kyogre (surf, hydro pump, water pulse, rain dance)
Weezing -> Mew (psychic, psywave, psybeam, seismic toss)

WTF?!

please, donīt make any suggestions like that. the movesets are horrible and you mustnīt use soo many Ubers

IT
01-15-2006, 08:28 AM
All right, thanks for the rating, IT.

I may try Flamethrower for Sala, just to try accuracy over power, although i donīt use it for cele, more like skarms

And yes, iīve faced raikou and gave me trouble, so i may go with psych up

Well, both FB and Flamer 2HKO Skarm, so if you go for power, then Celebi is the next big threat, but well, HP Flying is always better damagewise.

ManOwaR
01-15-2006, 06:00 PM
Well, both FB and Flamer 2HKO Skarm, so if you go for power, then Celebi is the next big threat, but well, HP Flying is always better damagewise.

Yeah, i wouldnīt like missing in critical moments, so iīll go with flame from now on. Any other suggestions?

IT
01-15-2006, 06:14 PM
Yeah, i wouldnīt like missing in critical moments, so iīll go with flame from now on. Any other suggestions?

Well, an Endurevving Blaziken with Endure/Reversal/FB or Overheat/Rock Slide and Sallac will be a pain to beat, but you can't kill it since even Weezing can't get a good switch-in to a STAB Reversal. Meh, I suppose Sala and Weezing take care of it though.

ManOwaR
01-15-2006, 06:40 PM
Well, an Endurevving Blaziken with Endure/Reversal/FB or Overheat/Rock Slide and Sallac will be a pain to beat, but you can't kill it since even Weezing can't get a good switch-in to a STAB Reversal. Meh, I suppose Sala and Weezing take care of it though.

Iīve thought about it too, but this is what i do against reversal users:
Blaziken is down at 1hp
Switch to sala (intimidates lowers attack)
Switch to weezing (Reversal is not very effective and attack is lower)

Even if weezing faints, i can switch again to sala, and lower the attack even more

IT
01-15-2006, 06:46 PM
Iīve thought about it too, but this is what i do against reversal users:
Blaziken is down at 1hp
Switch to sala (intimidates lowers attack)
Switch to weezing (Reversal is not very effective and attack is lower)

Even if weezing faints, i can switch again to sala, and lower the attack even more

Yeah, thought so too, but just mentioning that Reversalers might put some dent in your team. Also SleepTalk Hera will hurt at least something.

ManOwaR
01-15-2006, 06:51 PM
Yeah, thought so too, but just mentioning that Reversalers might put some dent in your team. Also SleepTalk Hera will hurt at least something.

Not that much, actually. Sala is faster and HP is a OHKO. Weezing resists all of its attacks too

IT
01-15-2006, 07:04 PM
Not that much, actually. Sala is faster and HP is a OHKO. Weezing resists all of its attacks too

Well, actually, Sala can't switch into a Rock Slide and Weezing can't take too many of those either. Also, ReversalHera will hurt. But they won't completely kill you.

ManOwaR
01-15-2006, 07:07 PM
In know what you mean. I usually end up sacrificing one when reversal users show up, then switch to sala, and thatīs it. i suppose itīs better than losing your whole team

Dragon_Seeker
01-16-2006, 03:05 AM
Reversallers typically force a sacrifice anyways. Besides, Sala can drop in on Reversal and live (thanks to Intimidate) and then run to Weezing. Blaziken doesn't seem like a problem because if it is running Rock Slide, that means no Swords Dance, which also means that Sala can drop in after something dies, Intimidate to weaken, run to Weezing, predict the Fire Blast and go to 'Mence again, run to Weezing, etc. Juggling Intimidate usually kills most Reversallers. Or just don't let them setup. Starmie resists all of Blaziken's moves except Rock Slide and can survive an unboosted Reversal.

Speaking of Starmie, you may want some HP on him, seeing how nothing drops in on CBgross without taking a lot from Meteor Mash... 2HKO on Weezing, 2HKO on Jolt, 2HKO on 'Mence, OHKOs Breloom (or at least it did when I used it), OHKOs Regice and 2HKOs Starmie if Starmie packs no HP / defense EVs.

ManOwaR
01-16-2006, 03:52 AM
So, youīre saying that if i give starmie some HP, Meteor mash will be like a 3HKO?

Usually, when meta shows up, i switch to starmie adn recover until one of his attacks miss. Then comes surf time. but if you say that with some HP, i can kill eat easier, then i may try it out