Thoughts on Ubers

[Neo-Lionheart]

What are your thoughts on Pokemon such as Kyogre and Groudon. For those of you who dont know, Ubers are the Pokemon banned from the Battle Frontier, Battle Tower etc:sad: . I go with the rule "play with your favourites", 2 of which are Mewtwo and Kyogre. I love those 2 Pokemon to death, but I feel guilty when I verse some poor kid with to Ubers that have over 430 Special Attack!:oops:

[nüüb 95]

Ubers are certainly fun to play with, but they're rather limited in scope. With a few exceptions, are they not all primarily physical/special sweepers?

[Neo-Lionheart]

Yes, they are. However, I designed a party where Kyogre is the healer:eek: Ill let u lot figure it out...same Kyogre that I mentioned I had before too...the one with 430 Sp.Att.

[nüüb 95]

Yes, they are. However, I designed a party where Kyogre is the healer:eek: Ill let u lot figure it out...same Kyogre that I mentioned I had before too...the one with 430 Sp.Att.
It's an interesting concept, I suppose, but whenever a non-uber user "battles" someone with ubers, it tends to zealously motivate them for a win.

And then a win for you is that much less satisfying.

[Neo-Lionheart]

I know. I choose not to use them unless i'm bored or in a tournament with high stakes (e.g, winning Pokemon XD a day before the release date...and i did). I can run the same party without the Kyogre...the one where he's meant to be the healer that is. Or i'll use my Perish Song Party.

[nüüb 95]

I know. I choose not to use them unless i'm bored or in a tournament with high stakes (e.g, winning Pokemon XD a day before the release date...and i did). I can run the same party without the Kyogre...the one where he's meant to be the healer that is. Or i'll use my Perish Song Party.
Ah, I see. I suppose so long as you can survive without ubers (and with withdrawal symptoms), nobody should "persecute" you for liking strong pokemon.

[Seawolf]

Sorry; but my opinion that only power-hungry noobs use Legends stands.

I refuse to use them in competitive play or in-game due to the fact that I just do not agree with them. I don't need a Pokemon with above-average stats to get me through battles, nor do I need them to make myself appear more "powerful" or just plain "cool".

They are unsatisfying and utterly unnecessary. If you have to rely on an Uber to consider yourself a good battler, then you're just pathetic. A true expert will use their own teams and strategies without the help of these Legendary Pokemon to prevail.

[Neo-Lionheart]

agreed. However, at that tournament I wanted to play it safe..I REALLY wanted that game! I choose to use my Perish Song party. sooo much carnage!

[Seawolf]

agreed. However, at that tournament I wanted to play it safe..I REALLY wanted that game! I choose to use my Perish Song party. sooo much carnage!

Heh, I forgot to say that using them for fun can be okay. Just as long as you don't abuse them to death.

Maybe I would use a Legendary if it got me a copy of Pokemon XD...

[Neo-Lionheart]

I overestimated anyways...there were a bunch of undertrained Mewtwo and Charizards...I tried to stay away from using my Kyogre or Mewtwo when I saw the parties...but when they KOd my Jolteon...I got angry. Jolteon is my fave Pokemon...so when they killed it...Kyogre came out..and yeah...with 430 sp.att...:silenced:

Kyogre is THE best Pokemon in the game. He can be a healer, and an attacker, he can learn thunder...with his ability thats absolutely nuts. Groudon can learn solarbeam, but his Special attack is hopelessly bad. In 2 on 2, the dreaded Skarmbliss combo is crazy. Blissey with Seismic Toss:eek:

[Seawolf]

I overestimated anyways...there were a bunch of undertrained Mewtwo and Charizards...I tried to stay away from using my Kyogre or Mewtwo when I saw the parties...but when they KOd my Jolteon...I got angry. Jolteon is my fave Pokemon...so when they killed it...Kyogre came out..and yeah...with 430 sp.att...:silenced:

Kyogre is THE best Pokemon in the game. He can be a healer, and an attacker, he can learn thunder...with his ability thats absolutely nuts. Groudon can learn solarbeam, but his Special attack is hopelessly bad. In 2 on 2, the dreaded Skarmbliss combo is crazy. Blissey with Seismic Toss:eek:

I think most of the people who play the games don't have a clue as to what EV training is. Needless to say, a friend of mine who had never heard about it was thorougly surprised when my in-game, EV trained Milotic ripped her team to shreds.

Kyogre's always been a favorite of mine because it looks just like my favorite animal; the orca whale. I've heard it's good in competitive play, although Smogon says that Groudon is by far the best Pokemon out of them all because of its ability to shut down Water Pokemon and it having a phenomenal Attack stat.

[Neo-Lionheart]

Well, Kyogre works with more Pokemon...heres my healing Party:

Kyogre or Vaporeon
Lapras
Poliwrath
Jolteon
Lanturn
Ludicolo

Please, tell me that isnt nuts so I can go on a murderous rampage. A team where Kyogre can Attack AND Heal:eek: Kyogre also has a better moveset...and Team Aqua has them in the TCG...go Team Aqua!

Thats one more reason why Kyogre is the best Pokemon in the game, based on playability.

[mlugia]

Well, Kyogre works with more Pokemon...heres my healing Party:

Kyogre or Vaporeon
Lapras
Poliwrath
Jolteon
Lanturn
Ludicolo

Please, tell me that isnt nuts so I can go on a murderous rampage. A team where Kyogre can Attack AND Heal:eek: Kyogre also has a better moveset...and Team Aqua has them in the TCG...go Team Aqua!

Thats one more reason why Kyogre is the best Pokemon in the game, based on playability.
Your team tanks if you take Vap over Kyogre. With such a water team and missing the free rain dance, it's more along the lines of hello SE moves. Multiple weakness with one resistance (and a frail one at that) = bad.

In any case, I think ubers are overpowered and tilts the balance of gameplay, along with some of the overused standards. But I've really been out of pokemon for awhile now. I preferred GSC UU. It's nice watching Pidgeot try and almost succeed in doing useful things.

[Neo-Lionheart]

hahahahahaha!!!:smile: Your missing the point of my party. You will see soon enough:wink: !

[mlugia]

hahahahahaha!!!:smile: Your missing the point of my party. You will see soon enough:wink: !
And just what is the point of the party? And how will I be shown its fearsome power?

[Neo-Lionheart]

You really have to know the pokemon well...trust me, it will come to you:wink:

[mlugia]

You really have to know the pokemon well...trust me, it will come to you:wink:
Sorry, so far I don't see it.

And I'm sure I'm decent enough at pokemon to get a team's hidden meaning. Yours, without Kyogre, just doesn't come to me.

Edit: I got it! It's a team of pokemon that can easily be swept by Snorlax!

No, really, that's all I see.

[The End]

No... There is nothing there.

[Neo-Lionheart]

lalalalalala....its really obvious...I'll give you a hint.

Jolteon
Lv:100
Abilty:Volt Absorb
Thunder
Rain Dance
Toxic
Protect

Vaporeon
Lv:100
Abilty: Water Absorb
Rain Dance
Hydro Pump
Toxic
Ice Beam

Lapras
Lv:100
Ability:Water Absorb
Thunder
Rain Dance
Ice Beam
Toxic


There, i've said too much!

And an Update to the Party:

its now

Lapras
Jolteon
Vaporeon
Quagsire
Poliwrath
Lanturn

[Seawolf]

lalalalalala....its really obvious...I'll give you a hint.

Jolteon
Lv:100
Abilty:Volt Absorb
Thunder
Rain Dance
Toxic
Protect

Kyogre
Lv:100
Abilty: Drizzle
Thunder
Hydro Pump
Sheer Cold (HAXED MOVE!!!!)
Ice Beam

Lapras
Lv:100
Ability:Water Absorb
Thunder
Rain Dance
Rest
Toxic


There, i've said too much!

Hoo boy. As much as those movesets would help you in-game, the competitive battling thread would tear these guys to pieces. x_o

[Pika57]

lalalalalala....its really obvious...I'll give you a hint.

Jolteon
Lv:100
Abilty:Volt Absorb
Thunder
Rain Dance
Toxic
Protect

Vaporeon
Lv:100
Abilty: Water Absorb
Rain Dance
Hydro Pump
Toxic
Ice Beam

Lapras
Lv:100
Ability:Water Absorb
Thunder
Rain Dance
Ice Beam
Toxic


There, i've said too much!

And an Update to the Party:

its now

Lapras
Jolteon
Vaporeon
Quagsire
Poliwrath
Lanturn

Your insulting one of the people on this forum, whose advice you don't dispute... unless your another guy whose advice is not disputed.

Your not.

He knows much more than you.

Basically all your team does is rain dance a lot, and then hit the opponent with moves.

I is so impress-ed

[boltAge]

wtf would u give lapras toxic for

[DelcattyGirl92]

Well, Kyogre works with more Pokemon...heres my healing Party:

Kyogre or Vaporeon
Lapras
Poliwrath
Jolteon
Lanturn
Ludicolo

Please, tell me that isnt nuts so I can go on a murderous rampage. A team where Kyogre can Attack AND Heal:eek: Kyogre also has a better moveset...and Team Aqua has them in the TCG...go Team Aqua!

Thats one more reason why Kyogre is the best Pokemon in the game, based on playability.

Your team can easily be taken out by a high level Grass or Electric Pokemon unless you equipped them with a large variety of attacks.
And if your American and you plan on entering them in Journey Across America I promise you that you'd be torn to shreds. When people enter that tournament they do NOT kid around. They want that grand prize of going to Tokyo with a 500$ gift certificate to the Pokemon Center!!! :)

[Paperfairy]

Sorry; but my opinion that only power-hungry noobs use Legends stands.

Wobbuffet is an uber, but not a legend, and I can't name one vet who doesn't use/or has used Zapdos, Suicune, and Raikou. Maybe Regice, if you played back in the day.

EDIT: Please get on Netbattle with that Toxic/Water team. kthx.

[Seawolf]

Wobbuffet is an uber, but not a legend, and I can't name one vet who doesn't use/or has used Zapdos, Suicune, and Raikou. Maybe Regice, if you played back in the day.

EDIT: Please get on Netbattle with that Toxic/Water team. kthx.

Bah, I always get those terms mixed up. I'll just shut up now. x_x

[Neo-Lionheart]

hey, its just an experimental party. Also, dont be so arrogant to say that the team would get torn to shreds. I cant netbattle either...long story. Anyways Lapras Knows toxic because it can stall. And can get healed by everything else. YOU PEOPLE STILL HAVENT FOUND WHERE THE TRUE ABILITY OF THE PARTY IS!!! Again, this party wouldnt get ripped to shreds.


Oh, i should have mentioned that this party is for 2 on 2 only....SORRY!!!

[Seawolf]

hey, its just an experimental party. Also, dont be so arrogant to say that the team would get torn to shreds. I cant netbattle either...long story. Anyways Lapras Knows toxic because it can stall. And can get healed by everything else. YOU PEOPLE STILL HAVENT FOUND WHERE THE TRUE ABILITY OF THE PARTY IS!!! Again, this party wouldnt get ripped to shreds.


Oh, i should have mentioned that this party is for 2 on 2 only....SORRY!!!

Instead of screaming at us, how about explaining what the "true ability" is? :ermm: None of us can see it.

[Neo-Lionheart]

sorry, I didnt mean to scream. I just wanted to see if anyone could actually get it. Basically, in 2 on 2, everyone can heal and attack because if their abilities.

[gun6]

To heal itself using the water/electric attacks. N-L, you're forgetting that it only heals 25% max, and that % of Hit Points are EASILY taken down by one attack.

[Neo-Lionheart]

As I said, its experimental, and so far, its worked well for me.

[Seawolf]

I think we should all keep in mind that this is an in-game team and not competitive battling. It's not like Neo L here is going to be attacked by an all-Electric team somewhere. I think it's good that you're experimenting with a team such as this, although it does have flaws. Then again, most mono teams will always have one glaring weakness unless you can cover it well.

[Neo-Lionheart]

Actually, I played this team at a local tourney, and I lost 1 game out of 8, and ended up winning the finals. Its completely anti Uber. Lapras doesnt let Ubers live, and isnt killed unless criticled ot OHKOed...even then, 50% of the time, Focus Band stops that.

[Pidgeot79]

Local tournaments usually thrive of non-competitive players, which really sucks, because it boosts egos of other non-competitive players such as you.

[Neo-Lionheart]

Not the way we play me friend. Its generally me and 20 odd others, and we're regulars, so every time we see eachother, the competition is fierce.

[boltAge]

Actually, I played this team at a local tourney, and I lost 1 game out of 8, and ended up winning the finals. Its completely anti Uber. Lapras doesnt let Ubers live, and isnt killed unless criticled ot OHKOed...even then, 50% of the time, Focus Band stops that.
lol Zapdos kicks your balls. Oh and, Ice Beam will not kill it. Not OHKO. But Zapdos is faster and will 2HKO it ;-) Also, focus band only has 12% chance of working, genius.

Please get Netbattle and let me 6-0 you. My Zapdos hasn't been having battles and would like to slaughter you utterly.

[vile plumb]

I overestimated anyways...there were a bunch of undertrained Mewtwo and Charizards...I tried to stay away from using my Kyogre or Mewtwo when I saw the parties...but when they KOd my Jolteon...I got angry. Jolteon is my fave Pokemon...so when they killed it...Kyogre came out..and yeah...with 430 sp.att...:silenced:

Kyogre is THE best Pokemon in the game. He can be a healer, and an attacker, he can learn thunder...with his ability thats absolutely nuts. Groudon can learn solarbeam, but his Special attack is hopelessly bad. In 2 on 2, the dreaded Skarmbliss combo is crazy. Blissey with Seismic Toss:eek:


Sorry, I have to ask this. What's EV? I've always played the pokémon games but after coming to these forums, I've never seen the games become so strategically genius. I've actually tried some things out on my games and it's made the game a whole lot better for me. Also, I've become a much better trainer in a short amount of time.

Thanks everyone on these forums!! :biggrin:

Back to the topic...

I like Ubers, but I refrain from using them on my games, unless it's for fun. In my old Red version I have Mewtwo & Articuno (I love Articuno to death). I've always loved playing with Mewtwo just because he is one of my favorite pokémon. Before the two I used to have Hypno and Fearow. I think they're just as good (I defintely believe Hypno rules over Kadabra/Alakazam, or maybe I'm just sick of them).

I like to train pokémon that aren't Ubers to their peak. Some I'd like to prove that they actually can be good and powerful with the right moves. I'm doing this with my Lickitung on Gold and I'd like to do this with Luvdisc and Nosepass once I catch them on Sapphire (I just started over today). If I bump into Kyogre again I won't want to use him... I mean he's so cool but I dunno. I'll stick with Luvdisc for now. I like weird poké's :hungry: Of course this is also with HM's. I never feel right switching the pokémon I'd definitely have in my party with some other pokémon only to use an HM for a split second. Plus, for me, it's training time taken away from leveling up the pokémon I put away.

In closing... Ubers are mucho fun to play with, but it's more fun attempting to make a certain pokémon to be just as strong or if possible stronger than an Uber(s). It also feels much more better because I feel a sense of incredible achievement when the pokémon has become very good ^_^!

[Espeon Rinage]

Id prefer to have normal pokemon than Ubers

[Seawolf]

Sorry, I have to ask this. What's EV? I've always played the pokémon games but after coming to these forums, I've never seen the games become so strategically genius. I've actually tried some things out on my games and it's made the game a whole lot better for me. Also, I've become a much better trainer in a short amount of time.


I love how you guys never take a look at the READ FIRST thread. :ermm:

Yeah, EV information can be found there: http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showthread.php?t=253

[Zephova]

I see all Legendary Pokemon as ubers, since most of their stats are generally higher than that of a Pokemon of the same type.

I prefer to use them as a tool to easily level up my weaker Pokemon. I only captured Mewtwo, Lugia, Kyogre, and Rayquaza for completetion purposes and to raise Pokemon.

[Tahir123]

I use Ubers but not too much.Normally,I use when I'm in the mood and to thrash the Elite 4.Usually I use my Blaziken to pulverize my opponents.Guess having a level 100 Blaziken really pays of,big time.

[Neo-Lionheart]

lol Zapdos kicks your balls. Oh and, Ice Beam will not kill it. Not OHKO. But Zapdos is faster and will 2HKO it ;-) Also, focus band only has 12% chance of working, genius.

Please get Netbattle and let me 6-0 you. My Zapdos hasn't been having battles and would like to slaughter you utterly.

Well...ok...*sends out Jolteon*....whats your Zapdos going to do now. never put all of your faith in just one Pokemon to win you battles. And please, arrogance is not appreciated. Netbattling is far too inacurate. The GBA games are the real deal. I would destroy your Zapdos on that...And didnt I just say the team was 2 on 2? or are you so arrogant and air headed to say that your Zapdos on its own can take this team on in a 2-on-2 battle? Someones a little ahead of themselves if you ask me...


Tahir...I like your style!

[boltAge]

Well...ok...*sends out Jolteon*....whats your Zapdos going to do now. never put all of your faith in just one Pokemon to win you battles. And please, arrogance is not appreciated. Netbattling is far too inacurate. The GBA games are the real deal. I would destroy your Zapdos on that...And didnt I just say the team was 2 on 2? or are you so arrogant and air headed to say that your Zapdos on its own can take this team on in a 2-on-2 battle? Someones a little ahead of themselves if you ask me...


Tahir...I like your style!
It's 2 on 2, brother, I'll kill off your other Pokemon while you try to Thunderbolt me to death. Anyway, I didn't say I would use Zapdos only, I only said Zapdos can handle your whole team ;] Please, do not twist my beautiful words into the creations of your corrupted mind. I indeed have said that Zapdos can handle your team easily, but that does not mean I will use Zapdos ONLY. I'll obviously switch when I have to and use other Pokemon should the need arise. Your stupidity is beyond the comprehension of the common being and thus, your departure from this forum, hopefully voluntarily, would be highly beneficial to the slightly more intelligent community here. Simply put, we cannot bear someone of your intelligence here, and it is clear that many stand with me.

And yes, I'm quite boastful of my capabilities at strategising. At least I have the skills to show it, you know, unlike a certain mentally-challenged folk here that lack the fairly common sense to back out when he's defeated.

Also, just for your information, Netbattle completely emulates the competitive battling part of the Pokemon games. That includes formulas for damages and such and also, data of Pokemon. You're again boasting your stupidity by doubting Netbattle's accuracy.

Let you depart and never return, you are not welcome.

[Loyal Arcanine]

It's 2 on 2, brother, I'll kill off your other Pokemon while you try to Thunderbolt me to death. Anyway, I didn't say I would use Zapdos only, I only said Zapdos can handle your whole team ;] Please, do not twist my beautiful words into the creations of your corrupted mind. I indeed have said that Zapdos can handle your team easily, but that does not mean I will use Zapdos ONLY. I'll obviously switch when I have to and use other Pokemon should the need arise. Your stupidity is beyond the comprehension of the common being and thus, your departure from this forum, hopefully voluntarily, would be highly beneficial to the slightly more intelligent community here. Simply put, we cannot bear someone of your intelligent here, and it is clear that many stand with me.

And yes, I'm quite boastful of my capabilities at strategising. At least I have the skills to show it, you know, unlike a certain mentally-challenged folk here that lack the fairly common sense to back out when he's defeated.

Also, just for your information, Netbattle completely emulates the competitive battling part of the Pokemon games. That includes formulas for damages and such and also, data of Pokemon. You're again boasting your stupidity by doubting Netbattle's accuracy.

Let you depart and never return, you are not welcome.
That was really funny to read. Awesome. :tongue:

Last sentence not entirely needed, though.

[mlugia]

Well...ok...*sends out Jolteon*....whats your Zapdos going to do now. never put all of your faith in just one Pokemon to win you battles. And please, arrogance is not appreciated. Netbattling is far too inacurate. The GBA games are the real deal. I would destroy your Zapdos on that...And didnt I just say the team was 2 on 2? or are you so arrogant and air headed to say that your Zapdos on its own can take this team on in a 2-on-2 battle? Someones a little ahead of themselves if you ask me...


Tahir...I like your style!
I'm leaning towards something like...

JOLTEON USED THUNDERBOLT!

ZAPDOS USED THUNDERBOLT! WATER POKEMON FAINTED!
_____ USED EARTHQUAKE! JOLTEON FAINTED!

along those lines in terms of 2V2 battling with you have a Jolteon and some water types out.

In particular, Snorlax w/ thick fat sounds very delightful.

Oh, btw, NB is extremely true to the carts. I don't know about RSE, but I had done countless number of tests and checks for the GSC/RBY versions. Dunno if my name is still in the credits, but it's something I pride myself in. (How sad, I know)

[Neo-Lionheart]

Well, I have ways of countering my weaknesses. Its a matter of Strategy...and did I not say that this was a mere experimental party?

[mlugia]

The way you've been bragging about it, I really couldn't care less if it was experimental. If it blows, it blows, and if it doesn't, it doesn't. Being a test team isn't much of an excuse.

Just how do you plan to counter this obvious 2V2 weakness to Earthquake?

[AntonioBIO]

What are your thoughts on Pokemon such as Kyogre and Groudon. For those of you who dont know, Ubers are the Pokemon banned from the Battle Frontier, Battle Tower etc:sad: . I go with the rule "play with your favourites", 2 of which are Mewtwo and Kyogre. I love those 2 Pokemon to death, but I feel guilty when I verse some poor kid with to Ubers that have over 430 Special Attack!:oops:
I really actually don't have ubers in my Emerald Team. I don't think they are anything out of this world. I think there are plenty of Pokemon that can be as strong as ubers. I don't care about ubers, and I don't use them.

[Neo-Lionheart]

The way you've been bragging about it, I really couldn't care less if it was experimental. If it blows, it blows, and if it doesn't, it doesn't. Being a test team isn't much of an excuse.

Just how do you plan to counter this obvious 2V2 weakness to Earthquake?

Well, its a good experimental team that works...I didnt say it was perfect, did I? I just said it was a good I dea for a strategy, that does win a lot of the time. Every team has weaknesses, this team just happens to have more than average. Again, its not an overly competitive team, although it would be good to test out at a huge scale tournament...meh..whatever, im not arguing about it anymore.

[mlugia]

Well, its a good experimental team that works...I didnt say it was perfect, did I? I just said it was a good I dea for a strategy, that does win a lot of the time. Every team has weaknesses, this team just happens to have more than average. Again, its not an overly competitive team, although it would be good to test out at a huge scale tournament...meh..whatever, im not arguing about it anymore.
Unfortunate that neither of us can go to JAA, huh? Damn those americans and their "What's a Canada" mentality.

[Neo-Lionheart]

well, Canada has more of a chance of getting it than Australia.

[mlugia]

Only if we get taken over by the US >_<

On topic: Pokemon hatches from eggs. Most of them do. I saw it in action first hand.

[Thrall]

Wow dude . Get It straight people that are smart can rip your team apart.Earthquake/thunderbolt will rip your team to shreds.I suggest you stick to your UBERS considerin that your non-UBER pokemon are horrible.

[Neo-Lionheart]

hey buddy, get over yourself. This isnt a team I use normally, and i onluy use ubers when i'm bored. It was just an idea that worked against a lot of people. but hey, whatever...you have your opinions...too bad there so ignorant. I can see the teams weaknesses. I didnt disagree with the fact that this team is weak against earthquake/thuunderbolt, I was just telling you to give an interesting idea a chance. But its not our problem your so shallow minded.

[Seawolf]

Wow dude . Get It straight people that are smart can rip your team apart.Earthquake/thunderbolt will rip your team to shreds.I suggest you stick to your UBERS considerin that your non-UBER pokemon are horrible.

Stop flaming. Neo has every right to use whatever team he chooses.

[Elmo's Heaven!!]

Wow dude . Get It straight people that are smart can rip your team apart.Earthquake/thunderbolt will rip your team to shreds.I suggest you stick to your UBERS considerin that your non-UBER pokemon are horrible.
Well, I just got into this conversation and whew!! What he said was a KO! Listen buddy. Every pokemon has a potential; from Abra to Zubat. It all depends on strategies, stats, and your personal experience as a trainer yourself. My thoughts are that ubers suck, and are only for lazy trainers who do not bother training their own non-uber pokemon to their full potential. People think that whatever move you give to an uber will make them the best; like a Kyogre with Dive, Surf, Waterfall, and Water Pulse, etc. Whenever I see an uber I frown upon their trainers. Try raising other pokemon than ubers to their full potential; because that is why they call you a trainer. Well, that are my thoughts on ubers. You may have different thoughts, but I really don't give a freaking care. Ciao.

[Pickleboy]

I don't believe in the word usage of "Ubers". A pokemon is a pokemon, nothing more, nothing less. My party has ONE "Uber" (take a wild guess who :rolleyes: ), and it's not like it's that hard beat. I think "Ubers" have superb weaknesses, like when Kyogre makes it rain, he's totaly defensless to Thunder. And Groudon only makes it worse for him against plant-type pokemon with Solar Beam. Rayquaza is just bad against ice. My party never had a single problem with "Ubers".

[Tahir123]

I don't believe in the word usage of "Ubers". A pokemon is a pokemon, nothing more, nothing less. My party has ONE "Uber" (take a wild guess who :rolleyes: ), and it's not like it's that hard beat. I think "Ubers" have superb weaknesses, like when Kyogre makes it rain, he's totaly defensless to Thunder. And Groudon only makes it worse for him against plant-type pokemon with Solar Beam. Rayquaza is just bad against ice. My party never had a single problem with "Ubers".
I agree with you completely.A pokemon is a pokemon.It has weaknesses like every other.

[massi4h]

Well when you have Ubers they tend to have higher stats. If you get them with all the right DV's then they are really good. If I was to enter a big tournament I would probably use a few ubers because I nearly lost my last one due to ubers. Just because Ubers are strong they dont have to sweep, people can use their high stats for other stuff like Kyogre as a healer. But they do have their weaknesses. Some of them have high weaknesses even the non-ubers that are strong. For example Dragonite, Mence and Rayquaza totally suck against Ice. T-tar sucks against fighting. Deoxys f, e and normal suck against ninjask. I OHKO'd a guys fully speed EV trained Deoxys F in the final of a tounament with my jask's silver wind. Ho-oh sucks against rock. So yeah Ubers are awesomely powerful but still can be beaten by good opponents (like me... lol). But yeah if there are big prizes i dont mind if you uber away. I will.

[Tahir123]

Well when you have Ubers they tend to have higher stats. If you get them with all the right DV's then they are really good. If I was to enter a big tournament I would probably use a few ubers because I nearly lost my last one due to ubers. Just because Ubers are strong they dont have to sweep, people can use their high stats for other stuff like Kyogre as a healer. But they do have their weaknesses. Some of them have high weaknesses even the non-ubers that are strong. For example Dragonite, Mence and Rayquaza totally suck against Ice. T-tar sucks against fighting. Deoxys f, e and normal suck against ninjask. I OHKO'd a guys fully speed EV trained Deoxys F in the final of a tounament with my jask's silver wind. Ho-oh sucks against rock. So yeah Ubers are awesomely powerful but still can be beaten by good opponents (like me... lol). But yeah if there are big prizes i dont mind if you uber away. I will.
That's right.Ubers have big time weaknesses.While battling my friend's Rayquaza,all it took was one Ice Beam to finish it.My friend's expression was :eek:.That was priceless.