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GymLeaderMark
03-22-2006, 10:32 PM
Ok guys, this is big news for fans of the Anime which was brought to light by Eric Stuart and was confirmed by Veronica Taylor.

As you may or may not know, Pokemon USA acquired the merchandising rights from for 4Kids several months, and as they will be running the anime from Season 9 onwards, have taken the decision to bring in brand new voice actors on a cheaper rate who will be casted for their ability to IMITATE the previous voices. The 10th Anniversary Mirage Special will be used as a testing ground, however it is more than likely that the change will be permanent from Season 10. Although the show will still be the same, with the same plot, twists turns and characters, I among a lot of others think this is a disgraceful way to treat the actors who have put their hearts and souls into this show for the past ten years.

In fact, not only are the voice actors been replaced, but also everyone involved in the production of the Anime from script writers to music editors.

Many Anime fans have started a Mail-In campaign in order to preserve the voices we've come to know and love over the past eight years. If you wish to complain you can write to:

Pokemon USA, Inc. (HQ Offices)
400 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10017

and

Corporate Offices
Pokemon USA
1177 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY, 10036

If you prefer to e-mail then the address is:

feedback@pokemon.com

It's up to us to convince Pokemon USA to reverse this heinous decision!

Pika57
03-22-2006, 10:56 PM
Uhh.. .how do I say this... The Pokemon anime is crap... the voice actors can get much better jobs than working for it.

The pokemon Anime is going down. I wouldn't be suprised if soon enough, pokemon merchandise will leave the U.S. altogether.

PokemonElite2000
03-22-2006, 11:23 PM
Having Pokemon USA in charge is a better thing, they actually understand Pokemon, it's their job to understand Pokemon. The parent company in Japan, The Pokemon Company, has done a great job of maintaining Pokemon's popularity in Japan. While our Pokemon movies are out of the movie theaters, Japan's Pokemon movies are still going strong in theaters.

Lets be realistic, the voice acting on Pokemon under 4Kids ain't that great as with most animes 4Kids has done, and that's being generous. So it doesn't matter if they're hiring "cheaper actors," as long as they do a decent job, it doesn't matter how much they get paid.

And I'm tired of the pun titles, like "Absol-ute Disaster." No more puns like that, please.
Uhh.. .how do I say this... The Pokemon anime is crap... the voice actors can get much better jobs than working for it.

The pokemon Anime is going down. I wouldn't be suprised if soon enough, pokemon merchandise will leave the U.S. altogether.
So you think they don't want to make millions in merchandise? And have you seen the merchandise they have in Japan? The Pokemon merchandise we have here is nothing compared to the mass amounts of merchandise in Japan. And since Pokemon USA is under the parent company of Pokemon in Japan, they'll probably follow their Japanese business model.

If anything, we'll get more Pokemon merchandise.

Pika57
03-22-2006, 11:35 PM
Having Pokemon USA in charge is a better thing, they actually understand Pokemon, it's their job to understand Pokemon. The parent company in Japan, The Pokemon Company, has done a great job of maintaining Pokemon's popularity in Japan. While our Pokemon movies are out of the movie theaters, Japan's Pokemon movies are still going strong in theaters.

Lets be realistic, the voice acting on Pokemon under 4Kids ain't that great as with most animes 4Kids has done, and that's being generous. So it doesn't matter if they're hiring "cheaper actors," as long as they do a decent job, it doesn't matter how much they get paid.

And I'm tired of the pun titles, like "Absol-ute Disaster." No more puns like that, please.

So you think they don't want to make millions in merchandise? And have you seen the merchandise they have in Japan? The Pokemon merchandise we have here is nothing compared to the mass amounts of merchandise in Japan. And since Pokemon USA is under the parent company of Pokemon in Japan, they'll probably follow their Japanese business model.

If anything, we'll get more Pokemon merchandise.

They'll continue to porduce it, but the show is losing a lot of auidience. I have a feeling that this is the beggining of a downward trend that will end with no one wanting any of the merchandise, thus killing demand, henceforth, stopping the need to supply... etc.

PokemonElite2000
03-22-2006, 11:50 PM
They'll continue to porduce it, but the show is losing a lot of auidience. I have a feeling that this is the beggining of a downward trend that will end with no one wanting any of the merchandise, thus killing demand, henceforth, stopping the need to supply... etc.
Pokemon USA didn't cause this downward trend, so let's see what will happen. How 4Kids has handled the anime is one big reason. But even so, the show still has a wide audience:
Pokemon Animated TV Series: Now in its eighth season on Kids' WB!, the program is consistently ranked among the top three shows for Kids 2-11. The animated TV series follows the adventures of a Trainer named Ash Ketchum as he travels across the Pokemon world making new friends and striving to become a Pokemon Master. For the most recent sweeps period in November 2005, "Pokemon Advanced Battle" captured the #1 spot among the Saturday morning competition for Kids 6-11, Boys 2-11, and Boys 6-11.
Source: http://www.nintendospin.com/news/general/1473/pokemon-10th-worldwide-anniversary-kicked-off-today.html

#1 spot on for Saturday cartoons, ain't that bad. Granted, it's mostly kids, but that's another problem with 4Kids, they're not appealing to the older audience.

But you're right, the show is losing popularlity, and same goes for the movies. The first movie did pretty well, second movie made HALF of what the first one did. And the third movie did even worse, it made HALF of what the second one made.

Otherwise, Pokemon in general has been doing just fine. Pokemon Emerald was the 2nd best selling game in 2005. That's a lot of fans buying the games. Even if a small percentage of that buying other products would make them good money.

Jack of Clovers
03-23-2006, 12:06 AM
But you're right, the show is losing popularlity
To me, the Hoenn League was a huge step up and really perked my interest. At first I was doubtful... May... but it really turned around. Though the storyline is repetative, I mainly watch for the character development.

I'm glad 4Kids won't be touching Pokemon for much longer, but I'm sad to hear it will be re-cast. At least I hope they have similar voice actors. :ermm:

~Jack~

PokemonElite2000
03-23-2006, 12:15 AM
To me, the Hoenn League was a huge step up and really perked my interest. At first I was doubtful... May... but it really turned around. Though the storyline is repetative, I mainly watch for the character development.

I'm glad 4Kids won't be touching Pokemon for much longer, but I'm sad to hear it will be re-cast. At least I hope they have similar voice actors. :ermm:

~Jack~
I can understand people having a deep bond with the voice actors, since they have been doing it since day 1. But just because they have been doing it since day 1, doesn't mean they have been doing it well. No disrespect for the voice actors, I'm sure they put a lot of effort into it (I know I can't voice act), but they need to realize the show ain't just for kids, so they need to stop making cartoonish voices that only appeal to kids.

It will be weird hearing different voice actors, that's for sure, even if they get the world's best voice actors, it will sound weird because we're use to the old voices. That part, we just have to get use to.

Alyssa Picariello
03-23-2006, 01:12 AM
I am against the recast of the voice actors. It's sad that there will be a recast. I like and used to the old voice actors and continue to be used to it.

I think that new voice actors will be poor quality and do it all wrong. We won't find out until it happens, but I am planning to write a letter about it soon.

Pika57
03-23-2006, 01:14 AM
I can understand people having a deep bond with the voice actors, since they have been doing it since day 1. But just because they have been doing it since day 1, doesn't mean they have been doing it well. No disrespect for the voice actors, I'm sure they put a lot of effort into it (I know I can't voice act), but they need to realize the show ain't just for kids, so they need to stop making cartoonish voices that only appeal to kids.

It will be weird hearing different voice actors, that's for sure, even if they get the world's best voice actors, it will sound weird because we're use to the old voices. That part, we just have to get use to.

Actually Ash's voice actor that is currently being used, came in somewhere in Kanto. He had a different voice(he always sounded like he had a cold) in early Kanto.

PokemonElite2000
03-23-2006, 01:36 AM
Actually Ash's voice actor that is currently being used, came in somewhere in Kanto. He had a different voice(he always sounded like he had a cold) in early Kanto.
Oh yea? Never knew (or forgot, lol, too many Poke-facts), I know James' voice was recasted as well, after the first 7 episodes or something like that.
I am against the recast of the voice actors. It's sad that there will be a recast. I like and used to the old voice actors and continue to be used to it.

I think that new voice actors will be poor quality and do it all wrong. We won't find out until it happens, but I am planning to write a letter about it soon.
You have heard Pokemon USA voice actors before? You can't really tell whether it will be poor or not. So I don't think it's fair to judge that it's going to be bad until you know what kind of voice work Pokemon USA puts out (this will be the first time).

And do it all wrong? Pokemon USA is in charge. If you didn't know, Pokemon USA's parent company is The Pokemon Company of Japan. This is not a random company that doesn't know what Pokemon is about until they buy it for their own use. 4Kids is that "random" company that borrows the Pokemon anime to dub it in English. Pokemon USA is the from the actual company in Japan. I don't think Pokemon USA will get their OWN product wrong.

How do you know if 4Kids got it right unless you watched all the Japanese episodes? I don't know either, but I trust Pokemon USA to get it right rather than any other company. If 4Kids can do it, don't you think a company from the actual Pokemon company itself can do it.

Pokemon_Dude2006
03-23-2006, 01:55 AM
I agree with some of the others. not with you ^^. I dont care the companies are changing. I just want the same actors!

Pika57
03-23-2006, 03:10 AM
I agree with some of the others. not with you ^^. I dont care the companies are changing. I just want the same actors!


Is your entire anime experience really going to be ruined if you have different actors?

Think of it this way: Pokemon USA(having less money to pay the actors) lowers their wages. The actors get ticked off and quit. Pokemno USA, has no new vice actors to replace them.

I wouldn't be suprised if some of the voice actors already want to quit, and it is actually an underlying reason of this occuring.

PokemonElite2000
03-23-2006, 03:34 AM
Is your entire anime experience really going to be ruined if you have different actors?

Think of it this way: Pokemon USA(having less money to pay the actors) lowers their wages. The actors get ticked off and quit. Pokemno USA, has no new vice actors to replace them.

I wouldn't be suprised if some of the voice actors already want to quit, and it is actually an underlying reason of this occuring.
Bugs Bunny has change voice actors five times, that's five different people doing the voice. Mickey Mouse voice actor has changed three times.

But yes, the voice does matter, because that's what people are use to. It could be the worse voice acting ever, but because people like the show overall, they still want the same voice actors because they don't want them to change. In other words, it would be "weird" for Ash to sound different. And that's why Pokemon USA will try to hire people that sound like the old ones.
I wouldn't be suprised if some of the voice actors already want to quit, and it is actually an underlying reason of this occuring.
Assuming things is a bad thing. And your argument makes no sense. Why? The main voice actor (or actress I guess), Veronica Taylor, has specifically said she wants to continue on with Pokemon, she's mad about this situation, and wants fans to contact Pokemon USA to change their mind.

So you really have nothing to base that claim on, other than what you think. Well, what you think is different from what's happening right now, because clearly Taylor is angry over not continuing with Pokemon (same goes for Eric Stuart, for Brock/James).

Pokemon USA wants control of their own product, not because of some conspiracy that the voice actors want to leave. Pokemon USA also took back control of the Pokemon TCG this year as well.

It was because Pokemon was a small company, it couldn't handle the licensing in the US, so it gave the rights to 4Kids and shared the profits. Well, Pokemon is now a large company with a lot of money coming in. They can handle Japan, and even created a new company for handling the stuff in the US. So how in the world does it make sense to share profits with a company (4Kids) that you don't need anymore?

AshMistyMayfan
03-23-2006, 06:56 AM
Having Pokemon USA in charge is a better thing, they actually understand Pokemon, it's their job to understand Pokemon. The parent company in Japan, The Pokemon Company, has done a great job of maintaining Pokemon's popularity in Japan. While our Pokemon movies are out of the movie theaters, Japan's Pokemon movies are still going strong in theaters.

Lets be realistic, the voice acting on Pokemon under 4Kids ain't that great as with most animes 4Kids has done, and that's being generous. So it doesn't matter if they're hiring "cheaper actors," as long as they do a decent job, it doesn't matter how much they get paid.

And I'm tired of the pun titles, like "Absol-ute Disaster." No more puns like that, please.

So you think they don't want to make millions in merchandise? And have you seen the merchandise they have in Japan? The Pokemon merchandise we have here is nothing compared to the mass amounts of merchandise in Japan. And since Pokemon USA is under the parent company of Pokemon in Japan, they'll probably follow their Japanese business model.

If anything, we'll get more Pokemon merchandise.

Please ignore the yahoos that don't contribute on this forum. I know people may hate Pokemon, but stop spreading it here. I saw what happened to Sailor Moon when you had Serena talking british, and it just sounded DUMB! YOu want May to sound like a chipmunk? Or Max to sound like a whiny brat? Rini was made to sound like a whiny brat. Darien made me want to smack my head on the closet door. THe 4th season Dark Circus monster sounded like Grover Monster from Sesame Street, sheesh,I'm trying not to laugh, but this is serious for Pokemon. Save the voices, please! I think doing it cheaply will cost the show fans and we won't see the ending of it. Sailor Moon was done so cheaply, it ruined the show. Don't let Pokemon fall like Sailor Moon.

I am sure Terri Hawks wanted to do Sailor Moon, but she was denied. Don't let it happen to Veronica Taylor.

Spheal218
03-23-2006, 06:59 PM
Ok guys, this is big news for fans of the Anime which was brought to light by Eric Stuart and was confirmed by Veronica Taylor.

As you may or may not know, Pokemon USA acquired the merchandising rights from for 4Kids several months, and as they will be running the anime from Season 9 onwards, have taken the decision to bring in brand new voice actors on a cheaper rate who will be casted for their ability to IMITATE the previous voices. The 10th Anniversary Mirage Special will be used as a testing ground, however it is more than likely that the change will be permanent from Season 10. Although the show will still be the same, with the same plot, twists turns and characters, I among a lot of others think this is a disgraceful way to treat the actors who have put their hearts and souls into this show for the past ten years.

In fact, not only are the voice actors been replaced, but also everyone involved in the production of the Anime from script writers to music editors.

Many Anime fans have started a Mail-In campaign in order to preserve the voices we've come to know and love over the past eight years. If you wish to complain you can write to:

Pokemon USA, Inc. (HQ Offices)
400 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10017

and

Corporate Offices
Pokemon USA
1177 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY, 10036

If you prefer to e-mail then the address is:

feedback@pokemon.com

It's up to us to convince Pokemon USA to reverse this heinous decision!

Oh you got here before me. lol
http://pokemonpalace.net/index.php?id=save_dub
and
http://www.petitiononline.com/pkmnRB/petition.html
Petition link

Neo-Lionheart
03-23-2006, 11:36 PM
All I want is the voice actors to stay. Heres the Petition that is circulating around the forums in my signatures.

http://www.PetitionOnline.com/savpkmn/


I've signed it.

for more infromation, head to www.pokebeach.com ...their HP has some information.

Jeikobu
03-24-2006, 04:56 AM
I think dub recasting would be wonderful, especially for Satoshi ("Ash"), Haruka ("May"), and Kojirou ("James"). But with a butchered dub, it wouldn't make much difference, and if they're going to try to emulate the old dub voices, what's the point in recasting?

AshMistyMayfan
03-24-2006, 07:19 AM
I think some of you are missing the point. You may feel the quality of the show won't suffer, but I think it would if you put in a different actor for Ash, actresses for May, Brock, Max, Jessie, James, and so forth. Even Meowth may have a very bad voice! I have seen what bad talent did to the ruination of Sailor Moon in changing the voices of Serena, Raye, Darien, Rini. I still liked Sailor Moon, but I think it took a hit when the other company took it over. DOn't let this other company ruin Pokemon by changing the talent. Veronica Taylor has no problems at all, why must some of you say that new talent is better? I don't think it will be better. Changing a voice is like recasting in a show. It's a gamble that sometimes it can work, but if you know the show for years like Pokemon, it won't work at all. Not just the voices of your characters are in jeopardy, what about Officer Jenny and Nurse JOy? The other Pokemon? Even dimwit Harley may have a new voice.

I recall when the Brady Bunch came back on TV, they had a new Marcia. That really didn't set well along with the storylines. THere is a fine line with this, and don't break it by recasting a good thing. I want Veronica Taylor and the others obtained.

AshMistyMayfan
03-24-2006, 07:28 AM
I can understand people having a deep bond with the voice actors, since they have been doing it since day 1. But just because they have been doing it since day 1, doesn't mean they have been doing it well. No disrespect for the voice actors, I'm sure they put a lot of effort into it (I know I can't voice act), but they need to realize the show ain't just for kids, so they need to stop making cartoonish voices that only appeal to kids.

It will be weird hearing different voice actors, that's for sure, even if they get the world's best voice actors, it will sound weird because we're use to the old voices. That part, we just have to get use to.

Please forgive me for this double post, but I want to point out one show that has been on the air 10 years plus themselves, Simpsons. From what I know, Yeardley Smith still does the Lisa Simpson voice, even after 10 plus years. Bart's voice is also the same, so is HOmer, so is Marge. Now just suppose somebody else came in and did this to the Simpsons? There would be an outrage to hear another voice for Bart and company. I know who the voices of the simpsons are and I would recognize bad talent if they changed the voice. You, a few others may feel it's not a big deal, but it is. I like my Jenny voice. I like my Joy voice. I've even liked May's voice though it comes from the actress doing Ash's voice, and NEVER would I know in a million years that Veronica Taylor was doing Ash's voice, and did it quite well. Max kind of makes me laugh when he talks at times, or throws a tantrum when May teases him in a good way. You can't just change that just because a company wants to do this cheaply. I've seen how my football team has been destroyed by doing it the cheap way, and it's taken them 8 years to finally make something of themselves and actually SPEND some money in free agency for once in their lives.

Again, my deepest apologies of double posting, but I had to point this out right away about the Simpsons.

Zenaku
03-24-2006, 12:14 PM
I think you're all forgetting one thing; you're all under the assumption that the voice acting is bad. Save your petitions until after you've heard it.

Personally, as a viewer of both the English and Japanese versions, I say good riddance to 4Kids and their actors. Pokemon USA, as Ryan said, Pokemon USA is another part of the Pokemon Company in Japan. They won't hire a voice actor if they aren't up to the challenge.

Once the series gets rolling, and PUSA gets all the profits from the series, the wages of the voice actors will without a doubt go up; I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them would agree to work for cheaper rates for the 9th season, if a chance for an increase wasn't far off.

I get a little irritated seeing all these "Save the Dub" petitions around, especially when it's almost unanimous among serious anime fans that 4Kids is terrible at dubbing, especially considering the cuts.

Although unrelated to voice actors, it also can't be denied of the fact that as a subsidory of the Pokemon Company of Japan, it's very possible that any DVDs will come out dual-audio, so for those who buy DVD's, voice changes wouldn't really be a big problem.

Ah, if only the information could be misinterpreted... Then again, it's not very clear, as it could be either context. What I'm talking about, is the stated "imitation". Are Pokemon USA searching for VAs that can imitate the previous VAs of the English dub, or the original Japanese series?

sdp
03-24-2006, 04:42 PM
btw sending emails and signing online petitions will probably NOT work,

sending a real letter though DOES make a difference.

AshMistyMayfan
03-25-2006, 05:17 AM
I think you're all forgetting one thing; you're all under the assumption that the voice acting is bad. Save your petitions until after you've heard it.

Personally, as a viewer of both the English and Japanese versions, I say good riddance to 4Kids and their actors. Pokemon USA, as Ryan said, Pokemon USA is another part of the Pokemon Company in Japan. They won't hire a voice actor if they aren't up to the challenge.

Once the series gets rolling, and PUSA gets all the profits from the series, the wages of the voice actors will without a doubt go up; I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them would agree to work for cheaper rates for the 9th season, if a chance for an increase wasn't far off.

I get a little irritated seeing all these "Save the Dub" petitions around, especially when it's almost unanimous among serious anime fans that 4Kids is terrible at dubbing, especially considering the cuts.

Although unrelated to voice actors, it also can't be denied of the fact that as a subsidory of the Pokemon Company of Japan, it's very possible that any DVDs will come out dual-audio, so for those who buy DVD's, voice changes wouldn't really be a big problem.

Ah, if only the information could be misinterpreted... Then again, it's not very clear, as it could be either context. What I'm talking about, is the stated "imitation". Are Pokemon USA searching for VAs that can imitate the previous VAs of the English dub, or the original Japanese series?

If you have been watching Pokemon, which version do you watch? THe version I watch has good talent, good voices, and a lot of adventure. YOU seem to watch a type in which you feel it's bad, including the voice acting. Well, if it's so bad, why do you still watch it for? I know enough that if a movie is bad, I am not going to spend 7 bucks plus popcorn and stuff to watch it. I'm not going to tape a TV show that is very bad.

I know what bad voice acting is. I watched Sailor Moon, and I know when a voice is bad when you have Serena talking in British, Darien talking in who knows what, Raye talking in who knows what, and Rini sounding like a whiny brat. I've even seen in DUkes of Hazzard, if you ever watched it, remember Coy and Vance Duke? That was a foolish attempt in trying to replace Bo and Luke (Schneider and Wopat) with 2 so called lookalikes. That's what having a new voice on Pokemon will sound like, a so called lookalike talking like Ash, May, Brock, Max, and perish the thought, JENNY AND JOY! Do you want Jenny and Joy with awful voices?

I wanted to add another thing in this edit portion: When COy and Vance DUke came on, the Dukes of Hazzard had good solid ratings on CBS, no. 2 I believe. BUt then, ratings took a tumble to no. 29 back in the 80s (From a documentary of Dukes of Hazzard that was on last Feb. on TNN). If you put in bad voices like that, I guarantee you a big tumble will come up on Pokemon and drop the ratings here in America.

Getting rid of 4kids is just like the program that ran Sailor Moon took a hike, sold it to a cheap skate company, and the cheap skate company ruined what a good show was all about with having bad voice people. I still like Sailor Moon now, I don't regret buying the DVDs, but I don't like the American voice talents, which is why I watch it in Japanese. Just like I rather watch Pokemon in Japanese if I ever had TV TOkyo in my area then to hear 'bad quality talent', and believe me, I have a stronger word for it that I will not put down because I like being here.

I get more irritated when NOTHING is done to stop a potential disaster so KEEP UP THE PETITIONS! I don't say it to annoy you, I say it as my right of the viewer to save a show before it's ruined.

PokemonElite2000
03-25-2006, 05:38 AM
If you have been watching Pokemon, which version do you watch? THe version I watch has good talent, good voices, and a lot of adventure. YOU seem to watch a type in which you feel it's bad, including the voice acting. Well, if it's so bad, why do you still watch it for? I know enough that if a movie is bad, I am not going to spend 7 bucks plus popcorn and stuff to watch it. I'm not going to tape a TV show that is very bad.

I know what bad voice acting is. I watched Sailor Moon, and I know when a voice is bad when you have Serena talking in British, Darien talking in who knows what, Raye talking in who knows what, and Rini sounding like a whiny brat. I've even seen in DUkes of Hazzard, if you ever watched it, remember Coy and Vance Duke? That was a foolish attempt in trying to replace Bo and Luke (Schneider and Wopat) with 2 so called lookalikes. That's what having a new voice on Pokemon will sound like, a so called lookalike talking like Ash, May, Brock, Max, and perish the thought, JENNY AND JOY! Do you want Jenny and Joy with awful voices?

I wanted to add another thing in this edit portion: When COy and Vance DUke came on, the Dukes of Hazzard had good solid ratings on CBS, no. 2 I believe. BUt then, ratings took a tumble to no. 29 back in the 80s (From a documentary of Dukes of Hazzard that was on last Feb. on TNN). If you put in bad voices like that, I guarantee you a big tumble will come up on Pokemon and drop the ratings here in America.

Getting rid of 4kids is just like the program that ran Sailor Moon took a hike, sold it to a cheap skate company, and the cheap skate company ruined what a good show was all about with having bad voice people. I still like Sailor Moon now, I don't regret buying the DVDs, but I don't like the American voice talents, which is why I watch it in Japanese. Just like I rather watch Pokemon in Japanese if I ever had TV TOkyo in my area then to hear 'bad quality talent', and believe me, I have a stronger word for it that I will not put down because I like being here.

I get more irritated when NOTHING is done to stop a potential disaster so KEEP UP THE PETITIONS! I don't say it to annoy you, I say it as my right of the viewer to save a show before it's ruined.
You say you "know what bad voice acting is." Well, wouldn't you have to hear it first before saying something is awful.

I have no clue how it will sound, but you're already saying stuff like "Do you want Jenny and Joy with awful voices?" How do you know it will be awful without hearing it? I don't see how you can say a voice is awful before hearing it.

And from what we know, they hiring people trying to mimick the original voices. So yes, it will be different voice actors, but they're trying to make it sound the same as before. Probably won't be 100% perfect, but we'll just have to see how accurate they do it.

It's fair to say that you don't like them changing the actors, but it's not fair to say it will be awful without hearing it.

Just don't say it's awful before you hear it.
Well, if it's so bad, why do you still watch it for? I know enough that if a movie is bad, I am not going to spend 7 bucks plus popcorn and stuff to watch it. I'm not going to tape a TV show that is very bad.
Just because the voice acting is bad, doesn't mean people still don't watch it. Overall it might still be good. Personally I think some of the voices are done great, some rather not so great, just my opinion.

Zenaku
03-25-2006, 10:01 AM
Well, Ryan's already answered the main body of the post, and I agree with him, so I'll mainly be answering what was directed specifically at me.

So... The version I watch? Japanese and English. Living here in Britain, I don't get to see much anime on TV, especially considering my parents got rid of the Toonami channel. The few dubbed animes I can watch include Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh.

The thing is, you see, unlike a lot of other anime, Pokemon isn't subbed. Yes, there's a group starting to sub the first AG episodes, and they've even subbed the 2 newest movies; all of which are much greater than their dubbed counterparts.

However, with the newer episodes, specifically the Battle Frontier saga and some episodes beforehand, there are no subs whatsoever. I'm forced to watch the RAWs with my simple japanese knowledge.

In short, I have no choice but to watch the abysmal acting for the dub. Like Ryan, and like many other people, there are some voices that are fine. Very rarely, there's an above-average voice. However, even then, it's totally different to the original version.

You complain so much about being used to the old voices, and not wanting the actors to change, but what about the many people who are used to the originals voices? Do their opinions not count? Personally, if someone were to start a petition to Pokemon USA asking them to continue and change the VAs, I'd probably sign it without hesitation.

I'm not assuming the new VAs will be godly, I'm just not assuming they'll be hell. That's just prejudice, yet without any information at all to prejudge with. Technically, that's the worst form of prejudice there is.

Either way, moving away from personal opinions, look at it from a business view. Before, it's likely profits were split between Pokemon USA and 4Kids 50:50, although considering 4Kids did dubbing, they might have recieved more.

The point? Even if the profit from the series was cut in half by a drop in viewers, Pokemon USA would still likely be getting more money than before due to lower production costs, and the fact they'll be getting 100% of the profit. You then have to take into account the fact that 4Kids, being a business, wouldn't lend out its contracted VAs to another company without getting some sort of cut.

Even if the original VAs were willing to work for a lower fee, the last thing Pokemon USA would want is for 4Kids to get part of the cut for lending the VAs. In short, using the old VAs would cost a lot more in money, more than just the average VA wages. The more profits a company gets from its merchandise, the higher the quantity and quality of the merchandise they produce. The more money Pokemon USA earn, the more likely it is we'll get better DVDs, toys, and the other little Japan exclusives.

AshMistyMayfan
03-26-2006, 08:31 AM
You say you "know what bad voice acting is." Well, wouldn't you have to hear it first before saying something is awful.

I have no clue how it will sound, but you're already saying stuff like "Do you want Jenny and Joy with awful voices?" How do you know it will be awful without hearing it? I don't see how you can say a voice is awful before hearing it.

And from what we know, they hiring people trying to mimick the original voices. So yes, it will be different voice actors, but they're trying to make it sound the same as before. Probably won't be 100% perfect, but we'll just have to see how accurate they do it.

It's fair to say that you don't like them changing the actors, but it's not fair to say it will be awful without hearing it.

Just don't say it's awful before you hear it.

Just because the voice acting is bad, doesn't mean people still don't watch it. Overall it might still be good. Personally I think some of the voices are done great, some rather not so great, just my opinion.

Another movie was made, documenting the Three Stooges. Although they hired good actors for it, the movie on TV just did not pan to good ratings, and any plan by Mel Gibson to put on the Three Stooges was obviously put in the back burner. THat's how I see the new voices will be, maybe they'll be good, but they are just not the legendaries and it's going to lead to bad ratings here.

How do I know a voice is awful before hearing it? Steve Urkel said his first words that were awful on Family Matters. Another actress tried filling in for Miss Eillie on Dallas, that also didn't do good. Voice was good, but she just wasn't Miss Eillie. Even if you can find a 'similar voice', there's a method behind the orignal voice that makes Pokemon that good to watch. Even the Brady Bunch cartoon show changed the voices of Greg and Marcia that didn't sound good at all.

Will change be good? Well, I did say at one time on another Pokemon forum that I thought May wouldn't pan out, and I was wrong. The show actually survived. BUt I think taking away the voices of Jenny and JOy would be my Brock heartache to see such nice women, but they talked so badly! It would remind me of Growing Pains when Mike Seaver saw that nice girl, but she talked soooooo bad!

Zenaku, my apologies about the area you live in.:redface: I didn't know you lived in England, and I do hear that getting new episodes of something from America is a bit difficult. I still however feel the company that now has Pokemon will treat it worse then what Sailor Moon went through. Taking away the good voices and putting in cheaper talent just doesn't feel right to me. It's sort of like an NFL Salary Cap move and believe me from what I have seen out of my NFL team, Salary Cap is not a pretty word for Pokemon in replacing a good player with mediocre talent. I know I have to even hear the voices to make a judgement, but from watching both TV shows and the ANime of Sailor Moon, I can feel it, I can smell it, and it could be coming in bad talent.

Jet
03-26-2006, 11:13 AM
bleah, I still prefer subbed versions

though first... AshMistyMayFan... you KNOW if the dubbing if bad? even if you haven't heard of it? aren't you taking it a bit too far?

and yes, petitioning online won't do much good... personally would be much effective.

personally, if the dubbing is bad, why watch it? go get subs -_-

Pokemon Master 101
04-07-2006, 12:35 AM
I think that getting a new cast of people for vocies of the anime Pokemon Characters is a great idea. Like Pokemon Elite 2000 said, Pokemon USA knows all about pokemon, so they will know what to do. I will be pleased if the new vocies resemble the old vocies.
And By the way, Pokemon Anime, again like Pokemon Elite 2000 said, is doing very good, ranking among the most watched. So all you guys who say that Pokemon Anime isn't doing that well. then how can I put this, your wrong.

Ture pokemon master
04-22-2006, 02:57 AM
Pokémon USA to switch voice cast..

As many of you know, Pokémon USA has recently taken over the licensing rights for Pokémon from 4Kids Entertainment, who have been running it for the last 8 years. However, from e-mails we received from Eric Stuart and Veronica Taylor, two of the major voice actors who have been with the dub of the show since 1998, have said that since Pokémon USA is dubbing the show from Season 9 onwards, the company has decided to hire new voice actors... not just new ones to continue such as other tv shows have done, but new actors to IMITATE the current voice actors and try and get the same sounding voices.

Apparently, the upcoming 10th Anniversary special is going to be used as a testing ground for these new voices, but the voice actors for the 9th Season have yet to be chosen, possibly using this special as a test to see what us fans think... So, there is time to save it:

Many of the fans of the Animé across the community have suggested starting a Mail-In campaign in order to convince Pokémon USA that the dub should continue to be made with the previous Voice Actors, those who have put their hearts and souls into these characters for 8 years and have become attached to the characters.

While the show will still look the same, have the same plot lines, twists and so forth, the Voice Actors are what make a show and changing the voice actors mid-stride is just wrong and, in our opinion, bad for the franshise. We need to let Pokémon USA know how we feel about the current voice actors and any possible changes they make. The way we suggest to do this is to either send an e-mail to the Pokémon Company (feedback@pokemon.com) or, preferably, to send a snail mail to:

Pokémon USA, Inc.
ATTEN: Animation Director
400 Madison Avenue
21st Floor
New York, NY 10017
United States

and

Corporate Offices
Pokémon USA
1177 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036
Sample letters can be found here and below.

PokeUSA_Letter 01 (.pdf) Adobe pdf format.

PokeUSA_Letter 01 (.doc) Microsoft Word format.

A working ONLINE Word Processor can be found at http://www.ajaxwrite.com/, try it if you don't have MS Word or another text tool.

More resources and supporters can be found at Save Our Voice Actors, a nice site put together by Pie, from BMG. Go on and add your name to those that support our cause.

3/22/2006

Pokémon USA, Inc.
ATTEN: Animation Director
400 Madison Avenue
21st Floor
New York, NY 10017
United States

Pokémon USA
ATTEN: Animation Director
1177 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036

Pokémon USA, Inc.
ATTEN: Animation Director
777 108 Ave NE #2000
Bellevue, WA 98004
USA

feedback@pokemon.com

Dear Sir or Madam:

It has come to our attention that, besides using a team of sound-alike voice actors/actresses for the 10th anniversary Pokemon special, you are also considering replacing the original voice acting cast of the series from the next season onward. As long-term fans of the dub this news has caused us much disappointment.

We, the fans, believe that replacing the main cast at such a late stage would cause interest in the Pokemon anime (and possibly the franchise as a whole) to noticeably decrease. We feel this is because many viewers enjoy watching the show just to hear their favorite voice actor or actress perform, and they wouldn't imagine the characters sounding any different.

We all love the VAs for the major characters. There are other ways to save money than to change the VAs. Making fewer edits on episodes should save quite a bit of money and time. Keep the fan base (which consists not just of kids, but of people of all age groups) strong first, then the money will roll in on its own. That way, we'll all be happy.

With this in mind, we hope that you will consider such a decision very carefully.

Sincerely,


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Online discussions and comments can be found on our forum, Pokemon Community, located at this thread.
Please take a minute and support our beloved dub version, thanks.

There is also an online petition located at www.petitiononline.com/pkmnRB. This petition to Pokemon USA was created by Pokemon Rebirth and written by Gemma Bright (gemma.bright@gmail.com).

from http://www.pokemonpalace.com/index.php

Quilava_Kaitlin
04-22-2006, 11:10 PM
Well this sucks =(

I'm going to miss James voice.
Made me laugh everytime I heard it.

AshMistyMayfan
05-01-2006, 07:32 AM
My beloved Jenny and Joy, I am about to be heartbroken as Brock in hearing imposter voices! I cannot forgive them for this for changing the sweet serene voice of Officer Jenny and Nurse Joy. Jenny drives a mean motorcycle in that nice outfit, and Joy is so caring to pokemon. I'm about to sit in my dark corner as Brock would do.

NOw it won't even be on to hear the voice if CW won't show it, FOX won't buy into it, NBC stopped showing cartoons, CBS does Nick and ABC does DIsney.

Nick_Roge
05-01-2006, 12:56 PM
I think you're all forgetting one thing; you're all under the assumption that the voice acting is bad. Save your petitions until after you've heard it.

Personally, as a viewer of both the English and Japanese versions, I say good riddance to 4Kids and their actors. Pokemon USA, as Ryan said, Pokemon USA is another part of the Pokemon Company in Japan. They won't hire a voice actor if they aren't up to the challenge.

Once the series gets rolling, and PUSA gets all the profits from the series, the wages of the voice actors will without a doubt go up; I wouldn't be surprised if a few of them would agree to work for cheaper rates for the 9th season, if a chance for an increase wasn't far off.

I get a little irritated seeing all these "Save the Dub" petitions around, especially when it's almost unanimous among serious anime fans that 4Kids is terrible at dubbing, especially considering the cuts.

Although unrelated to voice actors, it also can't be denied of the fact that as a subsidory of the Pokemon Company of Japan, it's very possible that any DVDs will come out dual-audio, so for those who buy DVD's, voice changes wouldn't really be a big problem.

Ah, if only the information could be misinterpreted... Then again, it's not very clear, as it could be either context. What I'm talking about, is the stated "imitation". Are Pokemon USA searching for VAs that can imitate the previous VAs of the English dub, or the original Japanese series?

And i think you should just shut your fat ass up, I believe that if we petition now that they will think hey if were already getting bad reactions just think what would happen if we did change them!