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Seven
03-27-2006, 04:41 PM
Democracy as “we” in the so-called Western World know it, has lately been advocated by several world leaders as a universal goal. Among these world leaders, two who most recently did so, British prime minister Blair, and American president Bush.
Countries that are perceived as undemocratic, are quite often referred to as the rotten apples in today’s world.

In several conflicts, the lack of democracy in a country has been used as an argument for intervention. Even if this isn’t done beforehand, democratizing effects of such an intervention are used afterwards as justification. Take for example Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now my questions to you are:

* What are your thoughts on the globalisation of democracy?

* Should the Western World impose its own ideals upon other nations, that don’t share the same history (renaissance for example, and secularism)?

* Is democracy truly a universal desirable thing, or are other forms of government also acceptable?

Discuss

Alonso
03-27-2006, 09:40 PM
Bush...yeah right. He isn't imposing the world to be democratic. Its just an excuse for him to get what he wants.

However back on topic:
A lot of people don't want their countries to be democratic. They think democracy evil and capitalism is wrong and the solutions are solved with communism and socialism. In reality those two don't solve anything either. Also this discussion is a bit confusing because the United States SAY they are democratic but they are also Republican and I think there are more republics than democracies. I think somebody is gonna have to clear up what is the difference between a democracy and a republic before I can start arguing/discussing.

Crossfire Chaos
03-28-2006, 01:01 AM
The thing is that there is no difference, a republic is a group of people who have democracy as the center of the goverment system. They mean the same thing, however the United States should stop calling themselves that, they are not a republic or a democracy, they are a representitive-democracy which is a lot differen't from democracy or republics because they are rulled by a small number of people who supposedly represent the whole when in reality you can easily buy 51 senators or 218 representitives or even 270 electoral college members. The thing is if we had a real democracy then we would function much better then any other country. If you recall Athens every white man who owned land could vote, if we had that then there would be no way a single man could buy all of us.

On another note Communism has never actualy been acheived in reality, what we call communism is actualy a soccialism, true communism would be more like true democracy.

Alonso
03-29-2006, 01:32 AM
The thing is that there is no difference, a republic is a group of people who have democracy as the center of the goverment system. They mean the same thing, however the United States should stop calling themselves that, they are not a republic or a democracy, they are a representitive-democracy which is a lot differen't from democracy or republics because they are rulled by a small number of people who supposedly represent the whole when in reality you can easily buy 51 senators or 218 representitives or even 270 electoral college members. The thing is if we had a real democracy then we would function much better then any other country. If you recall Athens every white man who owned land could vote, if we had that then there would be no way a single man could buy all of us.

On another note Communism has never actualy been acheived in reality, what we call communism is actualy a soccialism, true communism would be more like true democracy.
The democracy the Athens had was competely different. They had a pure democracy which is a form of government where the law is the reflection of the will of the majority without any legal limit on that power. The US is a republic and democracy but not pure democracy. They did have a Senate...just like the US.because they are rulled by a small number of people who supposedly represent the whole when in reality you can easily buy 51 senators or 218 representitives or even 270 electoral college members.
That is B-S. Those people are the citizens of the US. They are a small number of people becuase they are elected and that is part of the democracy.
If you recall Athens every white man who owned land could vote, if we had that then there would be no way a single man could buy all of us
No single man owns the US.

The US is suppose to be a Democracy or a Republic or even both...The only thing that probably changes that is corruption in the government.

Seven
04-10-2006, 07:43 PM
Guys, as much as I appreciate your interest, the US democracy in comparison to the the ancient greek one isn't what this topic is about.