Why No Items?

[Matt]

I'm sick of reffing battles or battling in battles where the challenger sets a no item rule. Items are a worthwhile and creative strategy in Pokemon battles, not to mention they cost money, and shouldn't be restricted on any occasion. If I want to spend the money on a Full Restore, I should be allowed to use it regardless, or if I were to spend a whopping 19.5k on a Pokeflute, it better be pretty ******* usable. The URPG has people scared to buy items, when was the last time you saw a trainer use a potion? I know I never have...

Can we please put a ban on the "No Items" rule?!

[Pika57]

I'm sick of reffing battles or battling in battles where the challenger sets a no item rule. Items are a worthwhile and creative strategy in Pokemon battles, not to mention they cost money, and shouldn't be restricted on any occasion. If I want to spend the money on a Full Restore, I should be allowed to use it regardless, or if I were to spend a whopping 19.5k on a Pokeflute, it better be pretty ******* usable. The URPG has people scared to buy items, when was the last time you saw a trainer use a potion? I know I never have...

Can we please put a ban on the "No Items" rule?!


It'll be a catastrophe. Refs will either think that they don't need them, or otherwise will become unbeatable. If they don't use them, then a ton of gyms will be beaten easily by n00bs within days.

Even once that is out of the way, demand for items will skyrocket. With current pirces, items are all pretty cheap. people will buy huge quantities, and battle will drag on for ages.

If anything, I would recomend maknig it so the pokeflute could be used when no items is on.

[DaRkUmBrEoN]

IIRC, Jack said somewhere that once you buy a berry, you don't have to buy another one. Maybe I'm messing stuff up, or not, but at least get this out of the way.

And yes I agree, items should be used once in a while, but who has time to check every single little potion and such?

[Neo Pikachu]

I disagree. In Pokemon Stadium and Colosseum's battle mode, you can't use items. With that in mind, the battle is purely based on how well you developed your Pokemon team rather than how much money you chucked out the window for an endless array of items to compensate for your lack of skill over someone who has developed their team wisely.

I'd like to think that people would be far more willing to spend the money to make their team better rather than wasting it on items to cheaply win battles and gym badges.

[Matt]

Tell me, when you first take on the elite four, and I'm speaking for the general public, do you not use a good deal of full restores or revives? I'm willing to spend the money on them so I have a chance. Items are not cheap, they are a useful strategy.

I, for one, want to use items in my battles, but will not buy them because ever trainer I face says no items so quickly in the rules it's as if it is bolted into their brain. I'm so sick of it.

[Rhauk]

Tell me, when you first take on the elite four, and I'm speaking for the general public, do you not use a good deal of full restores or revives? I'm willing to spend the money on them so I have a chance. Items are not cheap, they are a useful strategy.

I, for one, want to use items in my battles, but will not buy them because ever trainer I face says no items so quickly in the rules it's as if it is bolted into their brain. I'm so sick of it.
Sometimes not using items is better than using them. Why is that?
Let's take your potion example. Potion recovers 20 damage. Since I don't get to attack in the turn I use an item, then I'm getting 20 HP of recovery while my opponent can easily attack me for more than 100 of damage.
Thus, it's better not to use a cheap item like those because you lose a valuable turn in it.
Good items like Full Restore are way too expensive to afford one per battle you have. Moreover, they are usually reserved for elite fights, and those take a lot of time. Reviving or restoring a self-restoring pokémon like Alakazam or Starmie could easily make the battle one hour longer, and since both players will usually use Full Restore, there's no advantage or disavantage, just a prolongation of the fight, and not a "real" strategy at all. Pokémon Stadium 2 only allowed hold items, and we have those. They can be used as much as you want, they have a fair cost and a small advantage. My Gym rules actually allow the use of holding items.
Finally, if you are taking something to court, think about what you are going to say and all the posible scenarios of it. The potion example you gave simply showed off that you didn't think the consequences of using items at a fight very well. Don't complain like you did, present the case with pros and cons.

[Matt]

Sometimes not using items is better than using them. Why is that?
Let's take your potion example. Potion recovers 20 damage. Since I don't get to attack in the turn I use an item, then I'm getting 20 HP of recovery while my opponent can easily attack me for more than 100 of damage.
Thus, it's better not to use a cheap item like those because you lose a valuable turn in it.
For one, this is quite a bad example. Maybe I store up my potions for a while until a time where I really need them, for example: I know potions are useless and should not really be used in battle (that's why I can buy max potions), so I'll keep a couple, and in the case of a cheap move comes up that keeps doing good damage, I can keep myself away from the range of fainting just long enough for it to run out of PP. Sure, I wasted a few thousand dollars, but that was my choice, as I used it to win the battle. Also, I'm not arguing about the use of items by a certain trainer. If a trainer wants to waste money on an item that will not aid them in battle, it's their choice to use it! You can't stop them from using it because it's a bad choice for them. And speaking of bad choices, the only example you gave is a potion, which is a bad choice, but the rest aren't! Full heals will solve the sleep problem, max potions will give those that aren't Zams or Chanseys a chance to live along with their opponents!
Good items like Full Restore are way too expensive to afford one per battle you have. Moreover, they are usually reserved for elite fights, and those take a lot of time. Reviving or restoring a self-restoring pokémon like Alakazam or Starmie could easily make the battle one hour longer, and since both players will usually use Full Restore, there's no advantage or disavantage, just a prolongation of the fight, and not a "real" strategy at all.
It's not ALL about strategy! Sometimes it's about winning! If you have the money, you should be allowed to buy them and use them in battle! You want to ban full restores because they are too expensive? Also, I've heard complaints about sleep. If I can use full restores to keep my pokemon alive while it sleeps, this solves the problem! The battle will not be much longer, one can't have THAT many items, and even if it is, that's what dedicated refs are here for! And who on earth would use a restore on a self-healing pokemon. I don't know about you Rhauk, but we're not all stupid. You use it on the ones that can't so they can have a fair fight.
Pokémon Stadium 2 only allowed hold items, and we have those. They can be used as much as you want, they have a fair cost and a small advantage. My Gym rules actually allow the use of holding items.
Finally, if you are taking something to court, think about what you are going to say and all the posible scenarios of it. The potion example you gave simply showed off that you didn't think the consequences of using items at a fight very well. Don't complain like you did, present the case with pros and cons.
I know the pros and cons, I've gone over the circumstances. The government should ould stop people from buying guns because some are too stupid to not shoot themselves in the foot, but they don't, because it is a constitutional right, and some will use the guns wisely, as for self defense! If people are stupid enough to try a potion on a growlithe When they are facing a Gyarados, so be it! Some are smart enough to full heal a sleeping pokemon to give it a chance in battle. It's their money, and therefore, it is their choice. You can shut up now. Kthanxbye.

[mlugia]

Because it creates more work for the refs. Unnecessary work.

Topic over.

(Besides, Link battles don't have items anyways. Except attachables, and that's a god damn annoying piece of crap to calculate, what with the 1/16th leftovers and the 10% focus bands and the lucky punches and what not. What next, Lucky eggs so each battle counts as two on exp scale?)

[boltAge]

For your information, Elite battles are typically conducted with Items Allowed rules. It's just unnecessary otherwise.

Panda's right, more work for the ref is just crap, I get pissed off when people use RS rules nowadays, it's pretty much useless.

I'm still lmao-ing at the long posts in this thread because we never had to argue about sh*t like that before :rolleyes:

[Karisuma-Teichou]

Just because you can't use items doesn't mean you have to ban the ''No Items'' for everyone. Especially for Gym...you can't put a ban on ''No Items'' If they don't want to spend money on Items then they don't have to but just becuase you want to use items and no one else wants to doesn't mean you have to put a ban on it.

[mlugia]

Just because you can't use items doesn't mean you have to ban the ''No Items'' for everyone. Especially for Gym...you can't put a ban on ''No Items'' If they don't want to spend money on Items then they don't have to but just becuase you want to use items and no one else wants to doesn't mean you have to put a ban on it.
It does require both battlers to agree. You can want items, but if the opponent doesn't, it's their choice and they can just go find someone else who feels the same and battle them instead.

[Pika57]

I could have sworn that Elite Battles allowed the use of only two items...

[boltAge]

I don't think there's a rule to restrict the number of items you can use in a battle. It's either Allowed or Disallowed.

[Karisuma-Teichou]

I could have sworn that Elite Battles allowed the use of only two items...

They do...everything else is up to the battlers.