OHKO Battles

[IT]

This thing has been bothering me for a while now actually.

To anyone who doesn't know what OHKO battles are: a battle in which a trainer wants to raise his/her Pokemon by letting another trainer OHKO his/her Pokemon one/multiple time(s) to get the next evolution of the Pokemon faster.

So yeah, I think that the OHKO battles are being abused. I haven't really seen any decent battles with pre-evolutions lately, except the ones that are going on on the forum. Usually when I scroll through random ref logs, most of the battles are OHKOs. It bothers me.

I've been doing those myself as well, but I usually limit it to 2-3 battles at most, reffing or battling. But then I see some people raising their Pokemon with two evolutions by using only OHKO battles, that's 10 battles and 10,000 URPG money to the winner, 5,000 and a fully-evolved Pokemon to the loser. Yes, this completely destroyes the record of the loser, but they don't seem to care, BECAUSE in return, they do some OHKO battles to even out the record!

I understand if this happens with Pokemon like magikarp, etc...

It's been a while from this idea, but I think it was me, Robert and Yami who were battling and reffing for each other. We did some OHKOs to raise our Pokemon a little, then Robert came up with the idea that we could just keep on doing OHKO battles, buy new Pokemon from the Mart with the money we get from them and do OHKOs again. See the pattern? The worst part was that this is not even illegal in the URPG. There's no rule for OHKO battles, not even a limit. We never got through with this idea, because I refused and told Mikey about this back then. He just said that "don't do more than 4 per day" and that's about it.

So, I'm proposing for a limit on the OHKO battles, maybe 3 OHKO battles a day? For the sake of the always-so-fun pre-evo battles. (:

[Tamer San]

I am pretty sure we banned OHKO battles like on Proboards days ._.

[InvertrevnI]

I've never even considered doing that. I have been OHKO'd, but not on purpose. I try to win when I can, but lose about half the time. I suggest making OHKOs not count as a battle, and only wins add up to an evolution.

[IT]

I am pretty sure we banned OHKO battles like on Proboards days ._.

Then I guess most of the people are breaking the ban...

[Seawolf]

I've always found it ridiculous that a person can make so much as $10,000 when all they do is OHKO some weak pre-evo. The winner gets money that I think isn't rightfully earned. Even if the person with the Pokemon wants to evolve it right away, this kind of thing doesn't give them a chance.

This is just my opinion, but part of the point of URPG is to have fun when battling and training your Pokemon. Having some quick, OHKO battles doesn't help with that at all.

I am all for having some sort of limit on this.

[Fossil Fusion]

I am pretty sure we banned OHKO battles like on Proboards days ._.
it wasn't allowed shall i take the battles out of my logs ._.

[MystiKal]

Well those were Explosion battles we banned Tamer.

But I still like OHKO battles!

[Nasty Plasty]

OHKO battles rock sox. I'd rather have a Blastoise in half an hour then Squirtle for a week.

[Focal]

Yes Joel, I agree, and I'm glad we didn't do those battles back then. OHKO's may get you stronger Pokémon and a whole lot of money quicker, but where's the fun? Isn't the whole point of the URPG to have fun, and not to try and be a loser and become the best? Because no one wants noobs to gain power over the Elite Four because they managed to train a whole super team in a week. A ban may not be the right thing, but maybe a limit, yes.

~The Elf has spoken.

[Tamer San]

Well those were Explosion battles we banned Tamer.

But I still like OHKO battles!

Nope VT, OHKO battles that are 10 in a raw or 7 in a raw to evolve a Pokemon were so banned :\

[Fenix]

I never really thought of OHKO battles as such a problem. They do sound rather unfair though the way IT described them.

Once in a while I ref them and even less frequently I will be the one winning them, but I never use them myself. I always make training 2v2 or find someone else who needs to train. Ruining your record for the sake of a quick evolution seems silly to me.

[Fossil Fusion]

I never really thought of OHKO battles as such a problem. They do sound rather unfair though the way IT described them.

Once in a while I ref them and even less frequently I will be the one winning them, but I never use them myself. I always make training 2v2 or find someone else who needs to train. Ruining your record for the sake of a quick evolution seems silly to me.
We're doing that now lol Gengar vs Gengar :o

[Pidgeot79]

I think OHKO battles are a way of shortening the inevitable. Your Eevee probably has no chance against your opponent's fully evolved Pokemon. And most unevolved Pokemon can barely take a hit to the URPG's metagame Pokemon. Sometimes OHKO's are unavoidable.

[IT]

I think OHKO battles are a way of shortening the inevitable. Your Eevee probably has no chance against your opponent's fully evolved Pokemon. And most unevolved Pokemon can barely take a hit to the URPG's metagame Pokemon. Sometimes OHKO's are unavoidable.

Agreed, to some extent.

OHKOs are unavoidable at some points, but that's just occasions when the opposing player doesn't have any pre-evolutions at the moment and "has" to beat the pre-evolution, let's say Eevee, in a 1vs1, while they could do a 2vs2 where the Eevee could partner up with something stronger.

I understand those occasions, but the thing that is behind my posts is when people go:

"Hey! Want to OHKO my Charmander 5 times?"

"Sure, we both get good money from that!"

"And after that, maybe you could OHKO my Charmeleon as well?"

"Sure thing! Find us a ref first."

[MystiKal]

What if say I want to use my Dodrio in a battle, and someone sends a Bulbasaur. There's a OHKO match right there.

[Ierdar]

What if say I want to use my Dodrio in a battle, and someone sends a Bulbasaur. There's a OHKO match right there.
He just described that. =\

[MystiKal]

He just described that. =\
He was talking if someone sent out Bulbasaur first. I was saying if it wasn't sent out first.

[Jack of Clovers]

So we're going to limit battles now? Yea... heh :rolleyes:

The ban was on multi-battles. People would have 1 battle and count it as 10, not actually reffing except for the first one. There was no ban/limit on OHKO training battles as long as the ref actually reffed all of them.

If someone wants to lose 5-7-10 battles in a row just to evolve their Pokemon, why stop it? While you may think it wrong, it can help new members and keep them in the URPG longer if they think they're progressing. Not only would they have an evolved form, but some money on the side to maybe buy another Pokemon, thus keeping him/her interested in staying. Yes, this is a political answer. :tongue:

While we can argue whether or not OHKO training battles are fun, they are fair game. It's actually the only way I train ingame. You can have your opinions about them and maybe not ref/battle OHKO's. But we're not about to limit the number of battle you can have per day.

However, there are fruitcakes that will probably take advantage of these battles upon reading this thread. Like 20 OHKO's. :susp: Anything more than evolution is absolutely absurd and shows little respect for the URPG.

~Jack~

[boltAge]

Yeah, was just about to say it. The ban was on having battles that was never reffed. Not having one turn battles.

Jack, you seem to have a similar opinion on this with me. IT talked to me some time ago about this and I told him if people were shameless enough to have 10 losses without trying to win, then well, let them be shameless.

I have to disagree with you about just ignoring the problem though. There are fair members here and what if it came down to an Elite battle? The newbie who spammed battles would have like tons of TMs and strong Pokemon, but the fair battler would not have so much money to buy things.

I find your stance on keeping the newbies at all cost somewhat...desperate. Are we really lacking people so much that we'd let them cheat to win? What fun would Pokemon be if you had a Lvl 100 Charizard for a starter?

Eh, IT, I didn't really see the point of making this. I wouldn't let cheaters get a chance to defend themselves at all. You could have just PMed Jack or something. Oh and don't take this too offensively, okay? :tongue:

[IT]

Thanks for your input, guys and girls. Now...

Jack, I can see your point hidden in there, but it's mainly the abuse of OHKO battles that bugs me.

"I need to raise a Pokemon."
"Let's have some OHKOs then."

I barely see anyone anymore battling first pre-evolutions other than OHKO battles.

VT, sure, you have a point there. But who would send out a Bulbasaur against a Dodrio? And even if they would, wouldn't you have been kind enough to check their stats first and see that Bulbasaur is their only Pokemon and then you could've just sent out a weaker Pokemon to face the Bulbasaur to give the newer player a chance of winning. That's what I call fair, if anything.

Raik, why would I take your opinion offensively?:tongue: Yes, I could've PM'd Jack, but the last time I saw him post something about his Inbox was:

"My Inbox is 100% full. I need to clean it up."

Or was that in his sig even? And no, I can't MSN/AIM/YIM to Jack ether because we are on totally different time zones, as you can see from the times of our posts.

The Elite point was a nice one, it really brought my point. Meaning that wouldn't you, Jack, rather have the URPGers work for their money, instead of:

"I need to raise a Pokemon."
"Let's have some OHKOs then, we'll get money too."

Those 5 or 7 or even 10 battles, won't take up more than 15 minutes. While you could actually spend time battling with the Pokemon, chatting with friends more, etc. Yada yada to the "I'd rather have a Blastoise in half an hour than Squirtle for a week.", yeah CB, wouldn't that be fun? Then TM the Blastoise up with the money from the OHKO battles and then maybe get a Gym Leader position, because you have a fully-evolved, fully TM'd Blastoise (this is just an imaginary occasion...). Then people notice how "good" your Gym is with all those TMs, but then they check our your personal record:

10/0/137

:ermm:

Also, lol Jack, you train in-game with OHKO battles? :D

[All-Star]

I do like the point that Boltage made with the shamless and the charizard crap.

I also like what IT has been saying.

Now, before I left PE2K, someone said something about a dark gym. And someone else said something about it isn't in the games or shows. Now, since you want to get really close to the games, you'd be smart to ban OHKO battles period, and if a ref gets asked to ref these battles, or notice it while he/she is reffing, then they should report them.

If you don't notice my point, then here it is:

I am saying that in the games or the shows, you can't just do OHKO battles. And when you are strong enough (ex. lvl 50 Charizard VS lvl 3 Pidgey), you don't gain enough EXP to where it really helps you out.

Please note that I am not calling anyone dumb if you don't ban OHKOs.

[mlugia]

I do like the point that Boltage made with the shamless and the charizard crap.

I also like what IT has been saying.

Now, before I left PE2K, someone said something about a dark gym. And someone else said something about it isn't in the games or shows. Now, since you want to get really close to the games, you'd be smart to ban OHKO battles period, and if a ref gets asked to ref these battles, or notice it while he/she is reffing, then they should report them.

If you don't notice my point, then here it is:

I am saying that in the games or the shows, you can't just do OHKO battles. And when you are strong enough (ex. lvl 50 Charizard VS lvl 3 Pidgey), you don't gain enough EXP to where it really helps you out.

Please note that I am not calling anyone dumb if you don't ban OHKOs.
Lv 25 Squirtle vs Lv 25 Golem.

SQUIRTLE USED SURF! GOLEM FAINTED! SQUIRTLE LEVELLED UP!

:)

[All-Star]

Yeh but that wouldn't be OHKO would it? But you get my point... even if that is OHKO, after you get leveled up so much, the EXP won't mean crap.

[mlugia]

Yeh but that wouldn't be OHKO would it? But you get my point... even if that is OHKO, after you get leveled up so much, the EXP won't mean crap.
On even level? Golem would probably die in one hit, too lazy to calculate :p

[Jack of Clovers]

On Raik's point, not many new members are going to figure out training by OHKO when they join. Only if an older member says something or suggests it to the new member, might they battle OHKO's.

IT- My inbox is clear. 46. Yay!

Also, lol Jack, you train in-game with OHKO battles? :D
I try to. :tongue: I go for the s/e ohko battles, if I can. I have no strategy except knowing s/e vs n/v/e. :crackup:

~Jack~

[IT]

On Raik's point, not many new members are going to figure out training by OHKO when they join. Only if an older member says something or suggests it to the new member, might they battle OHKO's.

IT- My inbox is clear. 46. Yay!

I try to. :tongue: I go for the s/e ohko battles, if I can. I have no strategy except knowing s/e vs n/v/e. :crackup:

~Jack~

Well, I just hope that I won't see more of this OHKO abusing. I mean come on people, you could just do 1-3 OHKOs at a time, and then battle something for real...

go go jack's empty inbox ;)

What happened to good old EV training, Jack? ): OHKOing Rattatas hurts you.

Can be closed, because I saw people's view on the matter, and I also saw whom I can actually ask to battle pre-evo vs. pre-evo. I won't bother you by PMing about this, Jack.

[mlugia]

Well, I just hope that I won't see more of this OHKO abusing. I mean come on people, you could just do 1-3 OHKOs at a time, and then battle something for real...

go go jack's empty inbox ;)

What happened to good old EV training, Jack? ): OHKOing Rattatas hurts you.

Can be closed, because I saw people's view on the matter, and I also saw whom I can actually ask to battle pre-evo vs. pre-evo. I won't bother you by PMing about this, Jack.
pfft, Rats are a perfectly good source of speed EVs!

[IT]

pfft, Rats are a perfectly good source of speed EVs!

Rats are also a good source of proteins and vitamin C.

[mlugia]

Rats are also a good source of proteins and vitamin C.
C? I didn't know they were citirus! :O

[koolcurtis]

I've never even considered doing that. I have been OHKO'd, but not on purpose. I try to win when I can, but lose about half the time. I suggest making OHKOs not count as a battle, and only wins add up to an evolution.

If only wins count, then a person starting with magicarp will never evolve it :tongue:

[boltAge]

On Raik's point, not many new members are going to figure out training by OHKO when they join. Only if an older member says something or suggests it to the new member, might they battle OHKO's.
~Jack~
You know, it's like not telling kids that drugs exist in an attempt to keep them away from drugs. Prevention > Cure. Although this situation doesn't seem to be too severe currently.

[DaRkUmBrEoN]

0_0 Never knew this thread existed...

Okay, I'll be honest, I'm one of those people asking for OHKO battles. I'd like to say that I had a good reason to do it, but I don't.

Sure evolving 18 mons without OHKO is a pain, but doing it would have meant getting less losses. My record is currently 20W/166L/0D. When I started doing some training, my record was something like 17/38/0. Basically OHKO battling 18 mons got me hardly any wins. Though I managed KO my opponent with a Pidgeotto once, all my other battles were complete losses.

I'm not saying it should kept this way, but look at it this way. Getting that record of 10 evos after 1 battle would have been a pain for me, and my limited time schedule at that time. However, I'm now stuck with the consequences of the OHKO battles and ruining some good mons. Besides I'm not one of those people who try to get their record back with doing OHKO battles against newbies, there would be no fun in it.

Basically I need to win 150 battles without losing any. Do I seriously look like I can beat people like Ball, Ierdar, VT and such? Hell no, meaning I get to lose more before I can power up. This mostly means if you lose and get $500, you end up using most money on new mons, and getting newer mons with that money.

[boltAge]

...fight weaker people. Who exactly forces you to fight the better URPG players from the start?

[Pika57]

...fight weaker people. Who exactly forces you to fight the better URPG players from the start?
They were the only ones with easily acsesible IMing adresses...

[boltAge]

Is that an insult to the URPG activity as a whole or one that is to yourself?

[Stefanifan2]

I accidentally OHKO a Taillow. On accident. Meaning Sunny Day/Flamethrower combo!

[Matt]

I accidentally OHKO a Taillow. On accident. Meaning Sunny Day/Flamethrower combo!
This is an old topic, and they are referring to OHKOing mons on purpose to evolve a mon and gain money. You did nothing wrong.

[.AzureLight]

I accidentally OHKO a Taillow. On accident. Meaning Sunny Day/Flamethrower combo!

Lawl, that was my Taillow. :oops:

But I sent it out first, so I was just asking for trouble. Anyways, I think it's been decided that OHKOs are only for training purposes and not something like, say, Charizard vs Scizor (x20). :ermm:

[Marth]

I accidentally OHKO a Taillow. On accident. Meaning Sunny Day/Flamethrower combo!
Stephan, always look at the last time a post was done in any therad. If it's over a month, don't reply, it's old news.

[Stefanifan2]

sorry marth