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Hydralisk
07-30-2006, 08:18 PM
Blaziken (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 60 Atk / 252 Spd / 196 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Overheat
- Sky Uppercut
- Thunderpunch

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Ludicolo (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 60 HP / 198 Spd / 252 SAtk
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Surf

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Counter
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 156 HP / 176 Atk / 176 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Roar
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ (No Item)
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 116 HP / 236 Atk / 68 Def / 88 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Meteor Mash

All suggestions would be helpful and I need a nature for my Ludicolo, thanks for all suggestions.

celebi
07-30-2006, 08:25 PM
Blaziken (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 60 Atk / 252 Spd / 196 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- EQ
- Flamethrower
- Reversal
-Endure

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hp(ice)
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

Ludicolo (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 60 HP / 198 Spd / 252 SAtk
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- leech seed/toxic
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Surf

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Thunder wave
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 156 HP / 176 Atk / 176 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Roar
- Rock Slide

Metagross @ (No Item)
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 116 HP / 236 Atk / 68 Def / 88 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Psychic
- Meteor Mash

All suggestions would be helpful and I need a nature for my Ludicolo, thanks for all suggestions.

Changes in bold.Modest might be helpfull with ludi

Hydralisk
07-30-2006, 08:27 PM
I will try that, thanks. EDIT: wtf, you added eq for blaziken and it is not bolded, did you like forget? And, did you forget to change ev's?

Dragon_Seeker
07-30-2006, 09:10 PM
Blaziken (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 60 Atk / 252 Spd / 196 SAtk
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Overheat
- Sky Uppercut
- Thunderpunch

Do not lead with this, that is a very bad idea. With the common leads consisting of Zapdos, Milotic and Salamence, leading with Blaziken paints a big target on yourself that says, "I'm switching this turn, feel free to setup or get a free hit."

Personally, I don't see much of a use for Thunderpunch. Milotic doesn't get hurt by it and Swampert doesn't even feel it. Gyarados is making a slight comeback, maybe, but it shouldn't be Blaziken's job to fight a DD Gyarados. I'd recommend Focus Punch in that slot. Fire Blast > Overheat when you're going mixed.

Raikou @ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Calm Mind
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Substitute
- Thunderbolt

64 HP / 252 Spd / 140 SAtk / 56 SDef with Timid gives your Substitutes a bit more durability, which WILL help against Celebi and randoms with Psychic. The special defense guarantees that unSTAB Hidden Powers and random elemental punches do absolutely nothing to Raikou.

Ludicolo (M) @ Lum Berry
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 60 HP / 198 Spd / 252 SAtk
Hardy Nature (Neutral)
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Surf

Sweeping Ludicolo sucks.

~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Surf
~ Leech Seed
@ Leftovers

That's what you want. Trust me. This is because right now Swampert tears into this like no tomorrow and your Ludicolo's lack of recovery doesn't help it. Rest works great with Blissey and gives you something to throw at Milotic repeatedly.

EVs like 252 HP / 56 Def / 52 SAtk / 148 SDef with Calm. This also gives you something to throw at Metagross, which you desperately need. I'd lead with Ludicolo, since it forces them to leave if they have Milotic and Zapdos won't want to risk you having Ice Beam on the first turn (barring Light Screen).

It also gives you a very durable Gengar counter aside from Raikou (whom you'll want to conserve for the lategame sweep).

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef
Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Aromatherapy
- Counter
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled

Counter is kind of meh here. I'd go Thunder Wave instead, just because Blaziken likes being able to outrun things so it can KO.

Donphan (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 156 HP / 176 Atk / 176 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Rapid Spin
- Roar
- Rock Slide

Use these EVs: 252 HP / 176 Atk / 80 Def with Impish. You still get a solid attack (320) but you get a very good defense too (325) along with more HP recovery. Hidden Power Rock should replace Rock Slide.

Metagross @ (No Item)
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 116 HP / 236 Atk / 68 Def / 88 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Agility
- Earthquake
- Explosion
- Meteor Mash

Leftovers please.

Hypocrisy is Fun
07-30-2006, 09:13 PM
-His Team-

Ugh. No. Some are okay, but no.

Echo
07-30-2006, 09:19 PM
Metagross needs Leftovers. Also, Psychic isn't necessary, Explosion is better, because you can take out a Milotic/Suicune with it.

Modest on Ludicolo.

Special Blaziken isn't that useful and it's not a good starter. It's better to be left as an end game sweeper, when you've taken care of Salamence/Gyarados/Suicune/Milotic, and that is for the Endurevving set. if going with that set, make sure it has Salac and 264 Spd.

Salamence will put a dent into your team, because Donphan can't take it's HP Flyings/EQs, which the rest of your team is weak to, for ever.

EDIT: Also, Hypocrisy Is Fun!, please state why that is your opinion, because it makes me sad to see such a blunt comment, which serves no use.

Hypocrisy is Fun
07-30-2006, 09:26 PM
Isn't it ovious enough? Theres nothing to back up most of those attacks.

No backbone, but that my opinion and most of my opinions start flame wars. So, me explaining any more then that isn't a good thing.

Edit: Please learn to spell my name too. >_>

Echo
07-30-2006, 09:38 PM
Isn't it ovious enough? Theres nothing to back up most of those attacks.

No backbone, but that my opinion and most of my opinions start flame wars. So, me explaining any more then that isn't a good thing.

Edit: Please learn to spell my name too. >_>

Sorry, the y always goes i.:tongue:

Anyways, how does Calm Mind on Raikou not back up Thunderbolt and Hidden Power Ice? How does STAB on Metagross' Meteor Mash, Ludicolo's Surf, Donphan's Earthquake, etc. not get backed up? How does Rain Dance not back up Ludicolo? How does Blissey's Aromatherapy not back up the whole team?

I want to hear more of your opinion.

*goes edit the y - i mistake*