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David Um
08-20-2006, 01:56 PM
kyogre@leftovers
modest nature
EVs-6HP/252 sp.att/252 speed
-surf
-thunder
-ice beam
-calm mind

groudon@choice band
adamant nature
EVs-100HP/252 att/108 def/50 speed
-earthquake
-rock slide
-HP bug
-fire blast

mewtwo@leftovers
modest nature
EVs-6HP/252 sp.att/252 speed
-ice beam
-thunderbolt
-recover
-calm mind

rayquaza@leftovers
adamant nature
EVs-6HP/252 att/252 speed
-HP flying
-dragon dance
-earthquake
-extremespeed

lugia@leftovers
impish nature
EVs-252HP/50 sp.def/208 speed
-reflect/light screen
-recover
-toxic
-whirlwind

blissey@leftovers
calm nature
EVs-252 HP/6 sp.att/252 sp.def
-thunder
-ice beam
-softboiled
-toxic

Might as well try ubers instead.

Orre Champion
08-20-2006, 02:32 PM
your Lugia sucks i mean how the hell will it deal damage.

David Um
08-20-2006, 02:47 PM
lugia is a wall.

toxic/reflect/recover kills groudon and light screen annoys kyogre.

maybe replacing whirlwind with aeroblast.

Orre Champion
08-20-2006, 02:49 PM
yup whirl wind bye bye.Hello airo blast.

David Um
08-20-2006, 02:52 PM
meh.

Orre Champion
08-20-2006, 02:56 PM
and takem uot light sreen for surf/psychic.

David Um
08-20-2006, 02:59 PM
whaT'S WITH YOUR SPELLING?

surf/psychic lugia can't do **** in ubers, and those are kyogre/mewtwo's jobs anyway.

Orre Champion
08-20-2006, 03:04 PM
alugia for a wall is like a Lv 5 azurill tyrouge lv 5 the three johto starters lv5 and eevee lve5 taking on the elite 4 when they don't have offenensive moves.

David Um
08-20-2006, 03:09 PM
alugia for a wall is like a Lv 5 azurill tyrouge lv 5 the three johto starters lv5 and eevee lve5 taking on the elite 4 when they don't have offenensive moves.

???

obviously you'd best stick to rating in-game teams.

Elidibs
08-20-2006, 07:38 PM
kyogre without hp/defense evs isn't taking repeated damage from Cbgross, so you should fix your spread

taunt mewtwo also rapes this team

massi4h
08-20-2006, 11:31 PM
Orre Champion stfu. Lugia has real high defense stats thats why it is normally used like that in Uber. I don't really like Kyogre and Groudon on the same team and Ice beam blissey won't deal much damage unless it's rayquaza. Thunder won't do much to Kyogre and I doubt it would OHKO Qwilfish which isn't very common anyway.
Oh yeah and in NB go File>> Export to text. It will type out your team for you.

Dark Charizard
08-20-2006, 11:53 PM
your Lugia sucks i mean how the hell will it deal damage.

yup whirl wind bye bye.Hello airo blast.

and takem uot light sreen for surf/psychic.

I didn't understand a singal post you posted not to be offensive but please use good grammer.

David Um
08-20-2006, 11:54 PM
so maybe I should try this set

Kyogre@leftovers
modest nature
EVs-252HP/60def/128 sp.att/70 sp.def
-surf/hydro pump
-substitute
-calm mind
-ice beam

any counters for taunt mewtwo?

Lordofgames
08-20-2006, 11:58 PM
meh, none of you guys seem to be knowing what you are talking about. I am rating it with all the Uber exp. I have.

kyogre@leftovers
modest nature
EVs-6HP/252 sp.att/252 speed
-surf
-thunder
-ice beam
-calm mind

Ok...but I really never liked speed on Kyogre at least not THAT much. 257 speed (stat) is good. It outspeeds Lugia and can hurt hard with Thunder. Errr... do you really need 438 sp. attack? NO. 400-420 is OKAY. And distribute the other EVs in HP and Defense. You really can't have both Thunder and Ice Beam. I usually go with Thunder since it can paralyze stuff like Latios. But Ice Beam gets into trouble with other Kyogres. Use Rest over one of them. See Blissey's description for more info.

groudon@choice band
adamant nature
EVs-100HP/252 att/108 def/50 speed
-earthquake
-rock slide
-HP bug
-fire blast

Again, don't use Max Attack with nature. meh, I am giving you my own spread (DCal'd spread). Don't use CBDon plox. You should get a CBQuaza instead. Use this:

Groudon @ Leftovers
Trait: Drought
EVs: 240 HP / 184 Atk / 76 Def / 8 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- HP Bug/Overheat
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance

218 (217) speed is enough to outspeed other STANDARD Groudons. HP and Defense EVs allow it to take CBShadow Balls from Deoxys like a pro. Overheat and HP Bug are preferences. HP Bug for obvious Latis, but you have to hit them on the switch. Overheat kills Skarmory which is making its appearance a lot in the Uber metagame lately.

mewtwo@leftovers
modest nature
EVs-6HP/252 sp.att/252 speed
-ice beam
-thunderbolt
-recover
-calm mind

um...why do you have Boltbeam Mewtwo. Too many boltbeamers imo. Get Taunt over Thunderbolt, and you might put Psychic over Ice Beam but meh. You would NOT need that much speed ever. 351 speed is good enough.

EVs: 192 HP / 136 Def / 96 Spd / 84 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

rayquaza@leftovers
adamant nature
EVs-6HP/252 att/252 speed
-HP flying
-dragon dance
-earthquake
-extremespeed

NO CBQUAZA >>>>>> DDQUAZA. You would never get the time to DD actually. Even if you do, Groudon and Lugia would ruin your fun.

lugia@leftovers
impish nature
EVs-252HP/50 sp.def/208 speed
-reflect/light screen
-recover
-toxic
-whirlwind

well the set is good. No Light Screen please. Reflect > LS. Spread is just plain weird. Why do have speed on Lugia? Any specific reasons?

Lugia @ Leftovers ** Deoxys-F
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 176 Def / 80 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Recover
- Reflect
- Toxic
- Whirlwind


blissey@leftovers
calm nature
EVs-252 HP/6 sp.att/252 sp.def
-thunder
-ice beam
-softboiled
-toxic

No No No No. Blissey cant hurt anyone in Ubers. Calm Mind/Psych Up doesnt work anymore on Bliss. You should rather go with:

Blissey (F) @ Leftovers ** Gengar
Trait: Natural Cure
EVs: 212 HP / 112 Def / 4 Spd / 180 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Aromatherapy
- Seismic Toss
- Softboiled
- Toxic

The only reason I find Blissey useful in Ubers is ATherapy. If you followed my suggestions, then you probably have Rest on Kyogre, which it can survive itself OR Blissey can AT it away.
Might as well try ubers instead.

Overall a pretty meh kind of team. Mixed Mewtwo, and Deoxys F pretty much owns your team single handedly. Latios can have fun with your team if Blissey is dead.

Thrall
08-21-2006, 05:30 AM
alugia for a wall is like a Lv 5 azurill tyrouge lv 5 the three johto starters lv5 and eevee lve5 taking on the elite 4 when they don't have offenensive moves.

Your a idiot you know that. Lugia has some High Hp. Thats why I'm suprised that Davids Lugia doesn't have Substitute or Surf.

Lugialord
08-21-2006, 08:56 PM
Your a idiot you know that. Lugia has some High Hp. Thats why I'm suprised that Davids Lugia doesn't have Substitute or Surf.
Mewtwo@Leftovers
Modest Nature
-Psychic
-Calm Mind
-Flamethrower/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt (whatever you lack)
-Recover


or



Mewtwo@Leftovers
Brave Nature
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt/Ice Beam
-Shadow Ball
-Recover


Rayquaza@Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Rockslide
-Earthquake
-Aerial Ace

And David Um, it is a RARE change you can get the Hidden Power (flying) in in-game.)

Accidently Quoting for miloticmaster.

Orre Champion
08-21-2006, 09:17 PM
Orre Champion stfu. Lugia has real high defense stats thats why it is normally used like that in Uber. I don't really like Kyogre and Groudon on the same team and Ice beam blissey won't deal much damage unless it's rayquaza. Thunder won't do much to Kyogre and I doubt it would OHKO Qwilfish which isn't very common anyway.
Oh yeah and in NB go File>> Export to text. It will type out your team for you.
go jump off a cliff
Your a idiot you know that. Lugia has some High Hp. Thats why I'm suprised that Davids Lugia doesn't have Substitute or Surf.
I just don't like the idea of a Mon that can't do damage.In my opinion a Mon who can't do damage can't do ****.nuff said.

Zan Sabrefang
08-21-2006, 09:48 PM
NB truly eludes me... But I see the strategy behind your choices.

massi4h
08-21-2006, 09:55 PM
Wow it's pretty wierd, Orre Champion. I didn't know toxic could damage pokemon at all. n00b.

David Um
08-22-2006, 01:08 AM
this is a netbattle team, if you haven't noticed.

and Lordofgames, In smogon, it said that lugia should have 308 speed to outspeed the weather ubers.

I should replace extremespeed with rock slide so it 2HKOs lugia after a DD.

bleep
08-22-2006, 04:33 AM
latios used 6-0

massi4h
08-22-2006, 04:36 AM
Pretty much.

David Um
08-22-2006, 05:08 AM
latios used 6-0

yeah, how does latios 6-0 when I've got a blissey?

and latios can't get past mewtwo either.

maybe I'll use deoxys-L

deoxys-L@leftovers
bold nature
EVs-252HP/88 def/170 sp.def
-knock off
-recover
-night shade
-toxic

Lordofgames
08-22-2006, 06:01 AM
Smogon sucks atm at Analyses. I mean, have you ever seen a Max Speed with nature Groudon ever? no. Have you ever seen the same with Kyogre? No.

That analysis is pretty outdated. Nobody uses speed on them nowadays. If you get speed on Lugia, you die in tanking, which is its primary job.

David Um
08-22-2006, 06:09 AM
well I guess, but smogon is still the no.1 site for netbattle and strategy, so I rely on smogners.

Ironshell Blastoise
08-22-2006, 06:17 AM
That Lugia is fine. You send him in, Light Screen, then WW the Calm-Minding opponent away. Toxic+WW and shuffling is great, because Lugia has the stats to do it.

And Fire Blast on Groudon is pointless, as nothing in Ubers is weak to Fire generally, except Metagross, but then Quake will own him.

David Um
08-22-2006, 06:20 AM
well, what's a 4th move going to be for groudon?

maybe I'll use body slam but I don't think it will work so well

massi4h
08-22-2006, 09:26 PM
Maybe I usually have SD. But I normally have enough speed to outspeed plain mewtwo after the Ice Beam due to salac.

Lugialord
08-23-2006, 06:37 AM
Groudon@Leftovers/Salac Berry
Adamant Nature
-Bulk Up
-Overheat
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance

Settled.

Thrall
08-23-2006, 07:19 AM
Groudon@Leftovers/Salac Berry
Adamant Nature
-Bulk Up
-Overheat
-Earthquake
-Swords Dance

Settled.

WTF!? Your a idiot. Having SwordDance and Bulk Up. n00b.

Groudon:AdamantNature@Salac
Ev's:252Spd/252Atk/6Sp.Def
Rockslide
Earthquake
SwordDance
Overheat

THAT SETTLES IT!

Edit: Lordofgames you are right on Speed Ev's. I still like having a fast Groudon. You can also replace a move with ThunderWave to cripple.

Lugialord
08-23-2006, 09:34 AM
WTF!? Your a idiot. Having SwordDance and Bulk Up. n00b.

Groudon:AdamantNature@Salac
Ev's:252Spd/252Atk/6Sp.Def
Rockslide
Earthquake
SwordDance
Overheat

THAT SETTLES IT!

Edit: Lordofgames you are right on Speed Ev's. I still like having a fast Groudon. You can also replace a move with ThunderWave to cripple.

Question: Why did you say I'm an idiot by putting Swords Dance & Bulk Up and you put Swords Dance on?

massi4h
08-23-2006, 09:50 AM
Because he only had SD and you had both which is like pointless

David Um
08-24-2006, 04:08 AM
Question: Why did you say I'm an idiot by putting Swords Dance & Bulk Up and you put Swords Dance on?

well, swords dance and bulk up both on the same set is in my opinion, pointless. You have no time to use swords dance and bulk up in an uber battle.

hahahaha!
This is the standard set.

Groudon@leftovers
adamant nature
EVs-108HP/244 att/88 def/32 sp.def/38 speed
-earthquake
-rock slide
-swords dance
-HP bug
This is the standard set. Overheat is pointless because it can't dent anything in ubers, unlike HP bug which way 2HKOs lati@s.

it's settled for this groudon.!

Lugialord
08-24-2006, 07:19 AM
well, swords dance and bulk up both on the same set is in my opinion, pointless. You have no time to use swords dance and bulk up in an uber battle.

hahahaha!
This is the standard set.

Groudon@leftovers
adamant nature
EVs-108HP/244 att/88 def/32 sp.def/38 speed
-earthquake
-rock slide
-swords dance
-HP bug
This is the standard set. Overheat is pointless because it can't dent anything in ubers, unlike HP bug which way 2HKOs lati@s.

it's settled for this groudon.!

Is it for NetBattle? (Overheat is for 'Grass Types'.)

Groudon@Leftovers
Adamant Nature
-Swords Dance
-Earthquake
-Overheat/HP Bug for NETBATTLE
-Rockslide

Maybe you are right about HP Bug, IF IT IS NETBATTLE.

David Um
08-24-2006, 05:41 PM
It is netbattle. I wouldn't put HP bug on groudon if it wasn't for netbattle.