Shop Seperation

[TVTMaster]

That's it. I've had it. I can't tolerate another second of n00b topics. Every single day, five or so new topics are opened by n00bs in the Mixed Graphic Arts board, to show and take requests for low-quality sprites that took three minutes. Every single spriter, experienced or no, loves the thrill of opening up their own request shop, where they can revel in being praised by idiot n00bs no better off than them. And it's got to stop.

I propose a new sub-board is opened up. I know this was proposed by D.2 ealier, but this is a bit different. Instead of seperating sprites from banners and such, the n00b clutter shops should be moved to a different sub-board. In order to start a gallery topic or request shop in the Graphic Arts board, you should have permission from a moderator and assurance of both quality and quantity (i.e., actually having done art for a while instead of seing everyone else doing it and trying it out with a clutter topic). I'm sick of n00b sprites flooding PE2K. If people are going to get recognized for actually good work, then it's necessary to distinguish between clutter or work.

And on that topic, I've also had enough of n00bs saying "OMG ur psrites r rly gud!!!!1111!!!i!!11111ii1111!!!!!!1one!". Seriously, people are taking total crap and telling people it's the best they've ever seen. Encouraging? Yes. Constructive? No. If people are going to give the same empty praise to decent artists as n00bs, then even a star-rating system would be useless. Every idiot n00b who can't sprite anyway would be impressed by the ugliest piece of blinding crap and click "OMG 5 stras 1eleven11!i!!!11one!!1!" A sticky thread should provide decent guidelines for people who want to criticize and comment on people's work. And I might make that sticky thread.

And while I'm at it, I think all those people who join just because they think Mewtwo looks cool or they have a billion legendaries, thinking PE2K is some big chatroom should all be banned by a crack mod team. But that's just me, and it would offend a lot of people. So don't do that.

Your friendly neighborhood Ranting Warrior,
............................................-TVT

PETITION (put your name in your post to sign):
TVTMaster
Lan
Sleepy Sheep
Gun6
LanceCorporalZeroro
Chao Breeder
Steak freaking Sauce!
Sent Reglay
Vampire
Underwater
DaRkUmBrEoN
PokemonTrainerChase

[.AzureLight]

Yes, please. Save my eyes. :eek:

[theEND]

Yes! Good work TVT, we will be freed from Sprite n00bs in no time if this gets stickied!

Vive la Revolution!

[TVTMaster]

Stickied? You mean 'implemented', right? But yeah. I'm glad I have strong support.

[Sleepy Sheep]

Go TVT! Maybe now, because of you, I can open my sprite thread back up without the fret of it dieing. N00bs are the reason I retired from spriting.

I am so in your debt if this works.

[gun6]

Yay! I'm tired of those shops that have recolors that I can do in my sleep, and infinitely better. Seriously, all of the noob shops just do recolors... with default MSPain colors. (Pun-"typo"!)

[Sleepy Sheep]

Yay! I'm tired of those shops that have recolors that I can do in my sleep, and infinitely better. Seriously, all of the noob shops just do recolors... with default MSPain colors. (Pun-"typo"!)

You're very humorous and speaking the truth. It's time we took a stand, yo!

[TVTMaster]

Or you'll hate me. I'm not saying the n00bs can't request in the MGA board, just start topics. That means you'll be overflooded. Still, a fair price to pay.

EDIT: Gun6 and SS's posts were before I finished typing. This was meant for Grumpiguno's post a bit back. The "in your debt" ONE.

[gun6]

:o... Humor? I see no humor? Omg, I'm funny! Yay!

(Down with the noobies! I should make a recoloring guide! :3)

[Sleepy Sheep]

Or you'll hate me. I'm not saying the n00bs can't request in the MGA board, just start topics. That means you'll be overflooded. Still, a fair price to pay.

EDIT: Gun6 and SS's posts were before I finished typing. This was meant for Grumpiguno's post a bit back. The "in your debt" ONE.

It's fine. Some stores are flooded already.

[TVTMaster]

Petition tyme. All those who've already shown evident support of the idea are on automatically.

[.AzureLight]

:o... Humor? I see no humor? Omg, I'm funny! Yay!

(Down with the noobies! I should make a recoloring guide! :3)

The noobs are too stupid to understand it. Ever seen the first post in TMTS' paint tutorial? It's recoloring. :sleepy:

We need to invent a new kind of spriting, so complex that those stupid little ******* 8 year old douchebag retarded noobs, won't understand. :rolleyes:

[Nasty Plasty]

Dude, my thread keeps getting pushed back to the second page by these so called "sprite Malls."

[.AzureLight]

Dude, my thread keeps getting pushed back to the second page by these so called "sprite Malls."

All because me and Husnain started it. That gonzap noob has like 8 of them. :neutral:

EDIT: Automated message for noobs:

Use it if you want. I used f*ck because noobs seem to respect it more. You know how 8 year olds are. :rolleyes:

You. f*cking. fail. And since obviously, you don't know how to look up TMTS' MSPaint Tutorial... I will f*cking post it for you. Right here in your own goddammed thread, so people can see how much you suck.

People, this is getting to the point where it's just SICKENING. There are FAR too many people who suck at using MSPaint now, to the point where it's getting out of hand. The next fusion/recolor sprite that I see that sucks, I'm killing everyone. So I made a nice tutorial for you all so you may learn what I know. Isn't that lovely?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/tools_colors.png This Chart is referenced a lot.

LESSON ONE: Colors

This is a biggie.
I'm going to be rather blunt with you. The colors MS paint gives you SUCK. DO NOT USE THEM!
(Exceptions being the black, the two greys, and the white)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/BADPALLETE.png

When I go around and see sprites that use the basic colors, it hurts my eyes. And it bleeds. It really does.

"How do we change this, TMTS?" You ask? The answer is QUITE SIMPLE my friends! Just simply Double-click on a square in your pallette you aren't using, and a little window pops up!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/custom1.png

Click "Define Custom Colors >>"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/custom2.png

And Hazzah! You now have a VERY wide range of colors to pick from, ranging into the millions!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/greyscalepallete.png

For this example I did a complex grayscale pallette, but it can be done with any color, and when it comes to sprites, you RARELY have to do that many, especially for a recolor. 5 or so is usually good.

You can also select two colors at a time, for your convenience. Just right-click the second color, and now whenever you right-click in the drawing area, it'll use the second color. Also when you do this, whenever you erase anything (don't use the eraser! (BLUE) ) by moving around with the square selector (see red). Same goes for the eyedropper (yellow) which will be explained later.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/twocolors.png

LESSON TWO: Transparencies, and getting to know the toolbar!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/sprite_bad.png

No. Not acceptable. This is perfectly fixable! First, when you're moving the sprite or w/e, select it, of course.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/copy_1.png

Now drag it over to the bg or whatever, and click the option marked in PURPLE on the tool reference chart. This will make whatever your second-color is transparent as you drag it over your bg.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/copy2.png

UH OH! That white on Qwilfish's tail is transparent!
Never fear! for this can also be fixed easily! But first, we must learn about MAGNIFICATION!

Marked in GREEN above, the magnifier
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/mag1.png
Is an invaluble tool in paint, especially when spriting. Most people will recommend x 8 magnification, so use that. magnify your area you need to work, and click the x8 when you go to magnify again.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/mag2.png

Now that we have it magnified, we need to fix that blue part!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/copy3.png

Just select the white color which was erased when it was transparenced, and use the paint-splash tool (marked in orange) to color in what needs to be fixed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/copy4.png

All done! YAY! That wasn't so hard, was it?

LESSON THREE: Saving!

This is barely a section, but nowadays most people like it when you save files as .PNG. This not only saves space on your computer, but also allows for a bigger image without being smashed through Photobucket or whatever. When you go to "save as", go down to the file type.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/saveaspng.png

Select .PNG, and save as you normally would.

LESSON FOUR: Shading!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/GAYsprite.png
It's been MAIMED!

Sadly, people, I've seen worse. I really have.

IF you're going to do recolors, make a sprite tower. It helps. It's worth the time, and it keeps it organized.

NOW, in the SCAREY event you'd actually WANT to do a blue pikachu... I'll show you how it's done.

First, using the eyedropper tool, make a chart of all the shades in a pikachu.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/pika4.png

Now slowly replace each color with the corresponding one, until you're done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/pika3.png

Hazzah! Now how good does THAT look?

(Or, you could find a program that does this FOR you, such as... never mind, this is a PAINT tutorial.)

LESSON FOUR: Extra tips and tricks, and Metalizing.

Just a few small points to get to before moving on to a new section.

- NEVER expand/mizimise with paint. PLEASE Don't. It makes it look like CRAP.
-...especially sprites
-When making banners, a simple black border around the edge does WONDERS, but you can add to that and make it spiffy with a metalized border, explained in a little bit.
-If you're going to ADD to a sprite or something, make it connect by including a black/whatever color border, and add shading to what you added so it MATCHES the sprite.
-NEVER save as .GIF. GIFs suck. They look like crap and should only be used when animating, or when it's ABSOLUTLY necessary. :dazed:

Metalizing is really easy, and can give borders/sprites that extra flare.

Simply do multiple squares or w/e of slightly different shades of black/grey in color order, and you get a really cool effect!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/metalizing.png

And voila! Spiffy-ness WITH PAINT! Wow! (results are the conan banner in my sig)

You can take this several steps further if you want by using other colors, but this works pretty good.

Here's something I did 2-8-05, messing with a complex sprite tower of a greyscale. It turned out pretty good, and might give a few ideas for the people like me stuck with paint.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/messingwithspritetower.png

LESSON FIVE: More cool shortcuts!

Just a few shortcuts to make your life a bit easier.

CTRL+C - copies whatever's selected
CTRL+V - Pastes what was copied last
PRNT SCRN/ Print Screen- Takes a screenshot of the screen at the time. Then can be pasted with CTRL+V. (see image below for location for the mentally impaired)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/keyboard6ys.jpg thanks D.2

CRTL+E,1,TAB,1,Enter- Minimises the area of the paint screen to one pixil, so you can paste whatever to minimize your workspace, or if you want to quicly crop by slecting what you were working on (let's say a button) and then doing this, and pasting. Magically it'll be cropped. (I use this A LOT)
CTRL+E- brings up atributes for the window, I like to start with 1000x1000 for big prodjects so I can copy every single step of the way as I go through, incase I mess up! (Paint can only "UNDO" 3 times...)
CTRL+Z- Undo. Very Helpful if you're spriting and paint splash the wrong pixil.

LESSON SIX: Cropping stock images to perfection..

Now, in the even you'd want to use stock images, to make something look nice, you want to remove the square-border around it, or if it has a few frilly white spots around the edge of the image (especially with GIFs or anime pictures of pokemon or w/e), you might just want to remove them. Here's how, explicitly explained with 7 WHOLE PICTURES! WOW!

Step one: get your picture. For this example, I'm using a diglett, mearly for simplicity.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/diglett1.png

Step two: Uh oh! You got a cool background or w/e, but those frilly white spots around the picture don't look too good!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/diglett2.png

Step three: Make a nice square around the picture off to the side using the tools indicated
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/diglett3.png
and then fill it in with a color like bright red or black, one that shouldn't appear very much on the picture or w/e.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/diglett4.png
And slowly erase any trace of white-grey. I recomend bright red for this reason, but for some reason I used black in this example. Bear with me...

Step four: Now that you're done isolating the picture, it's time to place it back on the bg!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/diglett5.png
If you read earlier, you SHOULD know how to do this, but...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/diglett6.png
Seeing as ironicly that shade of black is in the image, paintsplash your mini-work area with another color, like red.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WhiteSealeo/Paint%20Tutorial/diglett7.png
Do a transparent replace, and you are done! This example looks like crap, but that's because I kinda sped through it... I trust anyone can do better... :tongue: I hope... :ermm:

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showthread.php?p=215955#post215955 continued there.

[InvertrevnI]

Nah...

Instead, I just just make a sprite request sticky thread. :/

Seperate from the image requests, that is.

[ASOD]

Dude, yeahz.
I totally agree with this.

[gun6]

The noobs are too stupid to understand it. Ever seen the first post in TMTS' paint tutorial? It's recoloring. :sleepy:

We need to invent a new kind of spriting, so complex that those stupid little ******* 8 year old douchebag retarded noobs, won't understand. :rolleyes:

Ooh, ooh! I know! I know!

How about...: OMGood Spriting. It's where you go into MSPaint, or PSP, or whatever you use to make sprites... and... you follow these steps:

1. You make a blank thing.
2. You put effort into making the sprite, and read the rules. (Incredibly difficult for noobs.)
3. Ding! It's time for dinner. (Btw, you finished your sprite. Save please.)

REmMbar, THis iz mY GuidE. NO STEELING PLEEZ.

(On-topic: Maybe there could be a thread for beginner spriters to show off their work for criticism from experienced spriters? There could be a list of experienced spriters to give comments/tips, and the beginners could only post their sprite and maybe a bit about the sprite. Then they could post a reply to what the experienced person said. It would help because the beginner spriters would get good criticism and advice from experienced spriters, and not from people that go "OMg, THATS AWSOME!!11! U R THE BEST! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: *insert 100 more smileys* ")

[InvertrevnI]

(On-topic: Maybe there could be a thread for beginner spriters to show off their work for criticism from experienced spriters? There could be a list of experienced spriters to give comments/tips, and the beginners could only post their sprite and maybe a bit about the sprite. Then they could post a reply to what the experienced person said. It would help because the beginner spriters would get good criticism and advice from experienced spriters, and not from people that go "OMg, THATS AWSOME!!11! U R THE BEST! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: *insert 100 more smileys* ")
Don't you think that the general spriter's showcase works fine?

[gun6]

No, because a surprising amount of people don't get comments/criticism on their sprites in the GSS. Plus, the GSS is meant to see what people think of your sprites, in a "I like the idea of your sprite" way. The thread that I suggested would be more like a "You need to work on your recoloring a bit. I suggest that you read blahblahblah's guide to help you with your recoloring." It would basically narrow down comments to what could really help people improve their spriting ability. :3

[ShadowLink]

I hate these crap threads as much as you do, but making a sub forum for somthing like that isnt a good idea... The people accually good at it are going to be ignored and stuff.

[TVTMaster]

It's better than being ignored because n00bs push us to the second page all the time.

[Nasty Plasty]

I have the constantly come up with sprites so I have an excuse for bumping my thread...

[Sent Reglay]

I am so for this! *signs petition* I'm not the best spriter but it annoys alot when n00bs post their sprites in my shop thread asking if their good. (I mean theirs a general spriters showcase for that!) I also agree we need to have only those people who really know what their doing going around giving feedback. and I agree that we need to have shops cleared before time, it would make veryones lives alot easier.

[Vampire]

Vampire.
I would like to sign them please.

[Husnain]

I agree. One day I went to my sprite thread, it was on the 3rd page when the last post was that day ._.

[boltAge]

What's with the language here? You don't have to start swearing because a couple of kids pushed your threads off. Geez.

A separate board would be really unnecessary, get the mods to do a better job. Get a dedicated graphics art board moderator.

Oh and about the petition, since when was PE2K a democracy?:rolleyes:

[DaRkUmBrEoN]

I'm for quality based seperation.

[All-Star]

*signs signature*

Chase

I'm happy about this. The fact that I will be showing my stuff and making requests will make things a little smoother.

[Sleepy Sheep]

Now, I don't want n00bs coming here and saying:

ill sign cuz im slow and n00bs push my thread bak there sprites suk and mine are best like rockt mowth she hogs al my custoemrs her sprites arent that gr8t anyway

I'd really hate that.

[Nasty Plasty]

Now, I don't want n00bs coming here and saying:

ill sign cuz im slow and n00bs push my thread bak there sprites suk and mine are best like rockt mowth she hogs al my custoemrs her sprites arent that gr8t anyway

I'd really hate that.
OH YEAH, I'LL PWN YOU SO BADLY YOU'LL DIE! Oh wait, you were just using that as an example. If someone does say that, they have been warned.

[Sleepy Sheep]

OH YEAH, I'LL PWN YOU SO BADLY YOU'LL DIE! Oh wait, you were just using that as an example. If someone does say that, they have been warned.

You thought I was serious, yo?:oops:

[Surly Professor]

I've championed the idea of a "Pixel Art Board" before because the Mixed Graphic Arts board is soooo active. But I don't think it's gonna happen, and a board just for the worst art, doesn't have a snowballs chance in Cairo.

Like I've said before, I want the star rating system activated on that board for this very reason.
I think it would work wonders, just look at all of the critics in this thread who would honestly give every lousy shop a 1. Sure there are gonna be those who overrate things but there are definately enough tough guys to keep the stars reliable.
The star rating system is also good because you can rate/crit a shop without even bumping it.
There will still be a million of 'em, and more everyday, but they should at least sink faster if you can say "it sucks" without a bump.
And that's about the best I think we can hope for in this situation.

[ShadowLink]

It's better than being ignored because n00bs push us to the second page all the time.

The same things going to happen in the other sub forum, good sprite threads will get pushed to the second page due to nublets. Yeah you have to submit it, but theres going to be a ton of locked threads because everyone is going to ignore that.

[spartan117]

My gosh why dont everyone just make big shop with the spriters as staff in it.HuH?

[Ham and Cheese]

Because the good, experienced people don't want to work with nubs. >_>

[Nasty Plasty]

Spartan has given me an idea. Only no n00bs will be in the shop.

The Sprite mall to end all others. (http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showthread.php?p=612049#post612049)

Okay, so this sprite mall will plunge all other sprite malls into inactivity. I mean, alone we were ignored, but if all the good spriters would band together into one massive shop, all other Sprite malls would lose inactivty.