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~delfino feroce
07-13-2004, 02:38 AM
okay okay, i have a huge question for you all. why do you all hate george w. bush? What does he do? i mean, everyone i talk to is like 'i hate him.' and in school one teacher passes around bush bashing pins. anyway, please fill me in...

just trying to get someone else's point of view.

Agent Orange
07-13-2004, 02:42 AM
I dislike him, because he sent us into a War that really wasnt nessisary. Also, Bush was given a hint that the 9/11 attacks woud happen, and he did nothing.

VenusaurTrainer
07-13-2004, 04:04 AM
I dislike him, because he sent us into a War that really wasnt nessisary. Also, Bush was given a hint that the 9/11 attacks woud happen, and he did nothing.

What do you know about poltics? Your what 10? We were going to have to go to war no matter what happen. Also your wrong, Bill Clinton was given the hint. Clinton also had a chance to kill Ben Laden but decided not too. So don't go bashing Bush on things you don't know. :P

Kan
07-13-2004, 04:48 AM
What do you know about poltics? Your what 10? We were going to have to go to war no matter what happen. Also your wrong, Bill Clinton was given the hint. Clinton also had a chance to kill Ben Laden but decided not too. So don't go bashing Bush on things you don't know. :P

Dubya is just another mentally retarded monkey placed in a governmental position in the longstanding US tradition of placing mentally retarded monkies into places of power since FDR died. The simple fact of my Bush hatred: HE'S COMPLETELY SUBNORMAL AND ILLITERATE. Ask Alakazam/Brian for a list of his basic grammer errors; not good for a public speaker.

Would you like to know something that you probably didn't know about Bin Laden? Guess where he got his excellent terrorist training and equipment? He sure didn't find it on the ground: the CIA fully trained him and his men along with providing him the means to use it. Same thing with Saddam. They set them up, they watch them fall, the white Protestant male stays in power once again. It's a decades-long con game that America is too dumb/scared to see past. :tongue2:

~delfino feroce
07-13-2004, 05:12 AM
are you talking about the SOA? school of americas? where the terrorists are trained ? i really don't get that.

anyway about his grammar mistakes... what does it matter if he's leading our country the proper way? i mean he's not a bad guy...

Seven
07-13-2004, 09:10 AM
are you talking about the SOA? school of americas? where the terrorists are trained ? i really don't get that.

anyway about his grammar mistakes... what does it matter if he's leading our country the proper way? i mean he's not a bad guy...

If a guy's too dumb to undersand his own language, how can he possibly lead a country right?

The thing I hate about Bush, is how he treats other countries. He treats the whole world like it belongs ti him =/. "WHen you're not with us, you're against us" puh-leeeeeeease go die or sumthin.
He's all the stereotypes that I know of the US united in one person: partiot, religious fanaticus, dumb, arrogant, you name it, he is it.

Blah, did ya know btw that he used to sell second-hand cars, but nobody'd buy from him 'cus he scammed people?

Tamer San
07-13-2004, 11:57 AM
If a guy's too dumb to undersand his own language, how can he possibly lead a country right?

The thing I hate about Bush, is how he treats other countries. He treats the whole world like it belongs ti him =/. "WHen you're not with us, you're against us" puh-leeeeeeease go die or sumthin.
He's all the stereotypes that I know of the US united in one person: partiot, religious fanaticus, dumb, arrogant, you name it, he is it.

Blah, did ya know btw that he used to sell second-hand cars, but nobody'd buy from him 'cus he scammed people?

Finally I found someone who believes that Bush thinks him self not the President of the USA but the President of the World. He is kindda crazy if you think about it, yet he is very smart and mean. He didn't go to Iraq to capture Sadam and free Iraqies from him because he already killed Iraqies more than Saddam did his intire life. HE SIMPLY WANTS OIL PEOPLE...PLEASE OPEN YOUR EYES TO TRUTH, LIGHT NOT DARKNESS! Thats why I hate CNN -.-, it never say the full truth.

AbXtreme
07-14-2004, 04:52 PM
All bush wants for this world is killing the most wanted. He sends his troops to Iraq and anywhere else in the world and Doesn't even care about his own troops dying, all he wants is Money, Dirty,stinking Money

Techno Treecko
07-14-2004, 05:06 PM
Dubya is just another mentally retarded monkey placed in a governmental position in the longstanding US tradition of placing mentally retarded monkies into places of power since FDR died. The simple fact of my Bush hatred: HE'S COMPLETELY SUBNORMAL AND ILLITERATE. Ask Alakazam/Brian for a list of his basic grammer errors; not good for a public speaker.

And ask CrimsonSpider to correct you that illiterate grammar errors doesn't make a bad president. Just because he has had a few speech errors in his past due to being under pressure doesn't make him a "mentally retarded monkey".

Now, I could make my point by reforming my above message with this:

And ask CrimsonSpider to corect u that illiterate gramer errers does'nt make a bad presidnet. Just because he had some speach errers in his pas dew to being under presure does'nt make him a "mentally retarded monkey".

And yet, that still got my point across, and you were able to understand it perfectly. :tongue3:

Alakazam
07-15-2004, 12:39 AM
I don't 'hate' George W. Bush, for I believe that "hatred only breeds more hatred". I just have no respect for him and firmly believe that he has no business being president.

Why? Well...

-He wasn't elected democratically (his brother threw out many votes for Gore)

-His tax 'cuts' benefit the rich MUCH more than those who could benefit from some extra cash

-He favors and sponsers major corporations such as Enron (or, at least he used to sponser Enron; owner Ken Lay used to be one of W's best friends), Halliburton, Diseny, oil companies, etc.

-He doesn't care at all about the environment, and allows corporations to pollute our oceans and skies

-He ignored intelligence about Al-Qaeda before 9/11, doing NOTHING to try and prevent an attack

-He started the Iraq War, which should not have ever been fought

-More than 1.5 million jobs have been lost under his administration

-the national deficite is on the rise again due to his inordinate overseas spending

-He and his administration drive fear into the hearts of the American people, constantly telling them that a terrorist attack may come at any moment

-He favors oil companies (because of financial relations), and opposes any decrease on the US's dependance on foreign oil, basically ignoring the energy crisis

-He is against same sex marriage, and wants to ammend the constitution to ban it

-He is slowly taking American's rights away, starting with the Patriot Act, under the guise of stopping terrorism


That's it in a nutshell...oh, and we don't ALL hate him; there are some that actually support him (which is, frankly, beyond my comprehansion)




anyway about his grammar mistakes... what does it matter if he's leading our country the proper way? i mean he's not a bad guy...

That's just it: he doesn't lead the country properly, which just lends credence to my claim that he is not very intelligent, to say that least. Not a bad guy? He started a war for no good reason! Because of him, just as many people have died as did in the 9/11 attacks. Yes, I'd say he is a bad guy.

Kenny_C.002
07-15-2004, 01:29 AM
Zammy, you forgot MY number one reason to not like Bush:

- he goes and pumps money into al Qaeda before 9/11. That's fine, as he "didn't know". After 9/11, he pumps money into Al Qaeda (CBC documentary).

Dude, you're helping your enemy even AFTER they attack you. Sure, that's a good thing to do.

Lord Celebi
07-15-2004, 04:30 AM
I side with Zam on a lot of the things he said.

Of course you didnt mention his views on Abortion as well. And also, his bro did throw out Democratic Votes, but he won because there were more Republicans on the Supreme Court, which was totally idioc, cuz the people's voice wasnt heard. And I'm sure the SS is looking at this conversation right now, anyone have anything to say to them?
But this debate can turn into tens of other debates, so lets keeo this simple.

Inferno
07-16-2004, 10:14 PM
anyway about his grammar mistakes... what does it matter if he's leading our country the proper way? i mean he's not a bad guy...

surely that was sarcasm and you were joking or just trying to make people upset... you didn't really mean that, did you? Lord, I hope not.

but almost all of the most admired presidents were great speakers. JFK, Abe Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Reagan, they all were great with words or had poeple that were great with words to help them. No one can admire someone that doesn't speak well.
But I don't hate "dubbya" I just don't respect him. Mostly because of everything society and the media have stated about him. People are very impressionable(is that a word?). But Clinton did a lot to help everyone. He did a lot for economy, as America sees it. He wasn't a homo-bashing prez, either. Hispanics were ok towards him, and young people loved him. He was smart. And as everyone else sees it, George W. isn't. People "hate" Georgey boy because he came after a few great presidents, he secedes Bill Clinton. No one would have been loved from 2000 to 2004, no matter who it was, Ross Perot or Al Gore. And now if Kerry wins he will be loved because he seceded a "retarded political monkey that was elected because of his daddy". But hate is a strong word, I just don't respect or admire him, which is sad to say about the leader of our country.

art
07-17-2004, 05:39 AM
I hate him for obstructing gay marriage, starting a war with suspicious motives, butting in in other countrys' business, sticking his nose EVERYWHERE it doesn't belong and his policy. and, one awful thing (which dear old georgie has a lot to do with but I don't know to exactly what extent) his policy when it comes to sexual education. Correct me if I'm wrong, but our most reliable public news channels tell us that, in the main part of america, sexual education will change. it will no longer be about how to use condoms and keep yourself from getting ill or diseased, but now it's gonna be about not having sex. not how to, oh no sir, just telling ya not to. which is absurd because teens will have sex PERIOD! let's just make it as safe as possible one would say. well, not the american government, oh no, they're cutting off fundings to clinics who help teens with this stuff. they're even gonna butt in with Africa's business (again!) and not supply them with condoms anymore. "they shouldn't have sex and won't when it's unsafe" WELL THEYRE HAVING SEX AND LOTS OF IT! JUST MAKE IT SAFE YOU BASTARD! and, ofcourse, they're encouraging other countries to do the same and they probably will, damn blind sheep.

That's why I not only hate bush, but the part that america plays in the world (no offense to american citizens). and I hate our government, especially Jan Peter Balkenende, who's constantly sucking up to bush.

EDIT: And I hate him becuase he wouldn't be president without his friends in high places. yeah, real democratic: the people can choose, but from a limited selection.

AND NOW FOR REPLIES TO YOUR COMMENTS!

VenasaurTrainer: you're right, but try to put things a bit nicer would ya!?

Kan: the CIA trained him? oh yes, that must be true. :ermm: . be cautious with what you believe, most of it isn't true. I'm not saying this is a lie, just be sceptic.

~Delfino Feroce: SOA? that's dutch for and STD! :biggrin: :biggrin: and you're right: if he were a great leader, everyone would prolly get over his grammar. but he's NOT so HAHA!

Seven: I agree with you, but I don't believe he scammed people just like that. it's really the kind of stuff you'd find in a tabloid.

Tamer Sam: A typical case of spreading a half-heard word. He's not just after the oil: he and his father are involved with a weapon company. start a war, buy weapons there: Ka-CHING! but that's really not all why he could have started this war, but money is the biggest motivator I believe. and ofcourse, the people like to see him punish other countries for doing this to them which is good for his reputation.

abXtreme: no comment :ponder:

TwistedTreecko: yes, BUT: if that really were that good at spelling, you most probably wouldn't be able to think of an argument to begin with. because you'd be stupid :wink2: .

Alakazam: You either hate someone or you don't. ya can't not hate someone because it'll spread more hate. it's an emotion you can't control, just like love.
I agree with your other points. :clap:

Kenny c.002: I dunno if that's true, but yeah, helping the enemy isn't really smart. but hey, we're talkibg about Bush here! let's not forget he is NOT smart. he's cunning, but not smart.

rust: well, not much to say :happy:

Inferno: any comment would be.. not appropriate, so I'm gonna decide not to comment. except for this :neutral: .

Art: man you post a lot: but I couldn't agree more. do ya have to replyto everyone? well, if you really want to.. I understand. wait a second, THAT"S ME!

~ The Most Wanted ~
07-20-2004, 04:27 PM
what i think about bush is this.

- i truly think he is raist,by the way he catches the arabs and give them the worst treatment(if im not right, correct me)

- if he atleast goes to battle,he can take a bit of credit for it.but instead he gets 18-25(mostly that age)year old guys,which have a long life to live,kill themselves in a wqar they have nothing to do with.and bush takes all the credit of it!

- the other night i downloaded something so cruel that i didnt even watch it(it was a cut part of cnn)
theres a kidnapped guy in iraq, and he is blindfolded.the arabs are in masks and saying things in arab,so i didnt understand.then after a while,a guy kicked the american to the floor,put some handcuffs on his legs and hands.and started to SAW his head off. the guy was sreaming all the way and it was like a fountain of blood.and when they finally got it off,they grabbed his head and showed it on the tv and said something else.then the anchors said things about that, and then one of them said thatb they found out that bush isnt planning on doing anything about him or other dead people.

- and the most important one...he started a war for no reason.and with a lie.

Seven
07-20-2004, 09:28 PM
I hate him for obstructing gay marriage, starting a war with suspicious motives, butting in in other countrys' business, sticking his nose EVERYWHERE it doesn't belong and his policy. and, one awful thing (which dear old georgie has a lot to do with but I don't know to exactly what extent) his policy when it comes to sexual education. Correct me if I'm wrong, but our most reliable public news channels tell us that, in the main part of america, sexual education will change. it will no longer be about how to use condoms and keep yourself from getting ill or diseased, but now it's gonna be about not having sex. not how to, oh no sir, just telling ya not to. which is absurd because teens will have sex PERIOD! let's just make it as safe as possible one would say. well, not the american government, oh no, they're cutting off fundings to clinics who help teens with this stuff. they're even gonna butt in with Africa's business (again!) and not supply them with condoms anymore. "they shouldn't have sex and won't when it's unsafe" WELL THEYRE HAVING SEX AND LOTS OF IT! JUST MAKE IT SAFE YOU BASTARD! and, ofcourse, they're encouraging other countries to do the same and they probably will, damn blind sheep.

That's why I not only hate bush, but the part that america plays in the world (no offense to american citizens). and I hate our government, especially Jan Peter Balkenende, who's constantly sucking up to bush.

EDIT: And I hate him becuase he wouldn't be president without his friends in high places. yeah, real democratic: the people can choose, but from a limited selection.



Pure love is flowing trough my veins right now @_@. This post is exactly my opinion.

Oh, and people, watch Fahrenheit 9/11 ! =P

art
07-25-2004, 12:12 PM
:biggrin: thank you for that comment :happy:

DarkAeon
07-26-2004, 05:24 AM
I hate him because I hate everyone, with no exception.

tonytrainer
07-26-2004, 11:56 AM
I don't live in the USA so there is no motiv for me to hate him.But no motiv to love him either...
I just saw him when he came to my Country...And during his speach a rainbow appeared.I Quote:

"I see that this rainbow appeared as a sign that god is with us..."

LAME! :tongue2:
Please if he's refering to a rainbow that is quite comon in our places, after almost every sunhine+rain!
Only someone like my idiot President belived him...
But thank god this is an election year...But still mature people (no offense to anyone over 18) will vote for him, them thinking he is the best... :tongue:
I wonder who will win...

JoshE
07-26-2004, 12:16 PM
All bush wants for this world is killing the most wanted. He sends his troops to Iraq and anywhere else in the world and Doesn't even care about his own troops dying, all he wants is Money, Dirty,stinking Money

How does Bush gain money from going into Iraq? And don't say oil because are troops have not taken 1 ounce of oil back to the states.

I don't hate bush because of this war, I hate him because there should be a seperation between church and state yet he tries to ban Abortions and Gay marriages. Our goverment should not run and ban things based on the New Testament. I am not exactly a huge supporter of Pro-Choice but a women should always be able to if she knows the baby could not be supported.

art
07-26-2004, 07:54 PM
I hate him because I hate everyone, with no exception.

:neutral:

JoshE
07-27-2004, 11:41 PM
I hate him because I hate everyone, with no exception.

Do you hate yourself to? :biggrin:

Kenny_C.002
07-28-2004, 12:09 AM
How does Bush gain money from going into Iraq? And don't say oil because are troops have not taken 1 ounce of oil back to the states.

You actually dont' need to "take" the oil. All you need is a "deal" with the current Iraq government.

About the grammar thing: being bad at it doesn't make you a bad president. But being goodat it you're half-way to being a good president.

Chris
07-29-2004, 03:45 AM
-He doesn't care at all about the environment, and allows corporations to pollute our oceans and skies



On a side note, Bush disfavors stem cell research from a religious standpoint which is infuriating to me for two reasons:

1. Stem Cell research could very well be the answer to a possible cure for cancer, the growth of organs for transplant, and several medical revolutions.

2. Separation of Church and STATE!!

Lord Celebi
07-29-2004, 04:22 AM
How does Bush gain money from going into Iraq? And don't say oil because are troops have not taken 1 ounce of oil back to the states.

I don't hate bush because of this war, I hate him because there should be a seperation between church and state yet he tries to ban Abortions and Gay marriages. Our goverment should not run and ban things based on the New Testament. I am not exactly a huge supporter of Pro-Choice but a women should always be able to if she knows the baby could not be supported.
Ever heard of Cheney's company, Haliburton? They sold all the oil in Iraq and made an assload of money off it (I used assload cuz its a lot more than buttload).

Chris
07-29-2004, 04:27 AM
Ever heard of Cheney's company, Haliburton? They sold all the oil in Iraq and made an assload of money off it (I used assload cuz its a lot more than buttload).


Keep in mind that, no matter how much I want to believe it, there is no evidence to support that claim. If it indeed happened, it has been covered up immensely.

Sutiivun
07-29-2004, 04:35 AM
but almost all of the most admired presidents were great speakers. JFK, Abe Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Reagan, they all were great with words or had poeple that were great with words to help them. No one can admire someone that doesn't speak well. Sorry Inferno, but I guess this means George Washington is not a very good president to the U.S.. He had false teeth, thus not letting him speek very well in public. But I still see him as a good president and a great army general also.

Now, about Bush, he isn't my favorite president for all of the above reasons, but Kerry isn't gold either. This is a pretty bad election, and whoever gets chosen America will still regret the choice until 2008 (if we actually get a good president to elect).

Chris
07-29-2004, 04:51 AM
Sorry Inferno, but I guess this means George Washington is not a very good president to the U.S.. He had false teeth, thus not letting him speek very well in public. But I still see him as a good president and a great army general also.

Now, about Bush, he isn't my favorite president for all of the above reasons, but Kerry isn't gold either. This is a pretty bad election, and whoever gets chosen America will still regret the choice until 2008 (if we actually get a good president to elect).

I agree, but I think Kerry is the lesser of two evils.

Lord Celebi
07-30-2004, 04:40 AM
Keep in mind that, no matter how much I want to believe it, there is no evidence to support that claim. If it indeed happened, it has been covered up immensely.
'Member when Cheney said the F word in the Senate? He said that to a Democratic Senator who asked him if hos company got contracts in Iraq.

JoshE
08-03-2004, 05:49 PM
Separation of Church and STATE!!

Agreed.

This country should not be a country based on christian laws.

liquid crystal
08-03-2004, 10:01 PM
I think he's quite laughable...*laughs at random laughable quote from Dubya* And he's shaming us Texas (well, me anyway)

He opposes affirmative action (giving minority students a better advantage to get into college) when he's the the poster child for it: he got into Harvard (um...Some Ivy League college anyway) just because his father studied there! Ha! He's the most powerful hipocrate on earth! *sigh*

And the only reason he went into Iraq was to—you got it—get the oil. And, since all the European Countries who didn't back fight a war they had no need to, They're labled "trators". Sinse (pretty much) the U.S. army was the only one "reforming" the Iraqi (which, by the way is not pronouced "eye-rack-ee") government, an American oil company (Halaberton, or how ever you spell it) is the only one "alowed" to be set up there (even though Iraq has a hudge debt to other countries) and reap the bounty. Oh, by the way, Cheney (sp?) was once one of the head honchos of Halaberton! How unjust is that!

To conclude: The Bush administration was a big joke. :rolleyes:

Chris
08-04-2004, 04:43 AM
Agreed.

This country should not be a country based on christian laws.

Well, not that it's based on them, the government refers to them as a basis for judgement :whistle:

JoshE
08-04-2004, 03:27 PM
Well, not that it's based on them, the government refers to them as a basis for judgement :whistle:

:rolleyes: I'm fed up with our goverment.

Inferno
08-05-2004, 02:45 PM
On the same "Down with Bush" note: A Vote For Change concert is being performed in the "swing states" across America. The concert will feature musical guests, including: Dave Matthew's Band, R.E.M., Dixie Chicks, and Bruce Springsteen.
If you're interested in supporting a good cause then look into it.
Plus if you have no preference in the election, you can check out some amazing music! :biggrin:

Other "Bush-bashing" music: Rock Against Bush Vol. 1 & 2.

Moby, Sum 41, Brighteyes, Anti-Flag, and much much more.
There are others who share your beliefs, even musicians!

Lord Celebi
08-05-2004, 03:03 PM
On the same "Down with Bush" note: A Vote For Change concert is being performed in the "swing states" across America. The concert will feature musical guests, including: Dave Matthew's Band, R.E.M., Dixie Chicks, and Bruce Springsteen.
If you're interested in supporting a good cause then look into it.
Plus if you have no preference in the election, you can check out some amazing music! :biggrin:

Other "Bush-bashing" music: Rock Against Bush Vol. 1 & 2.

Moby, Sum 41, Brighteyes, Anti-Flag, and much much more.
There are others who share your beliefs, even musicians!
We've got RABV1 at my house, thouh I cant listen to it until after my mom does. I'll be waiting until I can read Al Franken before I'll be able to listen to it...

JoshE
08-05-2004, 04:47 PM
On the same "Down with Bush" note: A Vote For Change concert is being performed in the "swing states" across America. The concert will feature musical guests, including: Dave Matthew's Band, R.E.M., Dixie Chicks, and Bruce Springsteen.
If you're interested in supporting a good cause then look into it.
Plus if you have no preference in the election, you can check out some amazing music! :biggrin:

Other "Bush-bashing" music: Rock Against Bush Vol. 1 & 2.

Moby, Sum 41, Brighteyes, Anti-Flag, and much much more.
There are others who share your beliefs, even musicians!

lol. Thats kinda of wierd and kinda of cool. I have never heard of Musicians doing that before... :eh:

Chris
08-12-2004, 05:48 AM
I recently saw a quote from Bush in which he states that there are four branches of government :clap:

Tamer San
08-12-2004, 08:46 AM
Here is my arguement, I used it for the War Debate (But I posted it too late so they didn't count it XD):

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Bush is officialy declaired the most idiotic United States President ever been elected (Atleast in my point of view). He has nearly done nothing good to his nations politicaly, economicaly, socially and more I assume. I know I am not an American so I have no right to offend him at all, so if there is any Bush fan in here i apologize but he really sucks.

1. The attack on the two towers on 9/11 was already informed about but Bush simply didn't respond. It was known that the US Government knew about what will happen in New York even before the attacks yet they haven't moved an inch and then started to attack a whole sociaty based on religious without even studying it carefully. (Yes i am talking about attacking muslims).

2. The attacks on the two towers and then the US Government blaming Palestinians at first place then moving to Al-Qaida made people, especially americans, hate muslims without any reason, and that wasn't even helpful to the Palestinian case at all. Americans started to attack muslims in the USA, hating muslims outside the USA making a new religious war world didn't need.

3. He was stupid enough to send his soldiers to Afghanistan, a dester, a climet americans couldn't take. His governemtn and country lost resources, men, money and had destroyed economy just to follow a man who pretend that he fights to free the Muslim world from american while that is not true at all.

American governments (Don't remember exactly when) armed muslims, Afghanistanies, and some arabs to fight the Soviet Union from Afghanistan, which means they have armed Osama Bin-Laden long time ago. But when America didn't need him or his men any more they dumbed them making him outrageous. He now attacks americans in a "Noble cause" as he pretends (Which is not true because killing innocent doesn't contain any nobility in it). So don't start blame muslims and arabs for mistakes US Governments did, does and will do always.

4. The battle in Iraq wasn't for the Iraqi people as well, because Bush simply doesn't care if Iraq have a people or not anyway. The main purpose was Oil and nothing but Oil. Saddam had weapons but non is mass destruction, he was surrounded and his country was weak so there was no chance for Saddam to be a threat to any other country at all. Bush managed to beat Saddam, managed to create a new Iraqi government that supports the US (Which will allow the US to get very cheap or nearly free Oil from Iraq), and managed to control a new country in the arabic region (And i feel more is coming soon).

Bush is simply another terrorist, but he doesn't dierctly bomb because he fight for a cause the world believed in a while ago. But now he has pushed it so over the edge making the world hate him. Bush is simply not an idiot, he is very smart, smart indeed, but he is mean and evil so he simply attack. He managed to make world hate us (Arabs and Muslims and I am not a muslim by the way if any one asked -_-) and managed to control over Iraq and soon he will be able to take over all the arabic countries he need just to make sure that Israel will stay safe and make sure that the US gets enough oil for many hundred years ahead.

PS. I know that the US has enough Oil to give the intire world for many many years but Bush (since he is kindda smart) knew that the american Oil must stay hidden and safe until the world Oil disappears. He uses other countries oil just to make sure he gets all the oil...

~Tamer of Team Trainer

Chris
08-16-2004, 05:21 AM
lol, I don't think there's a discussion here... we all agree that bush sucks. :clap:

probably needs a lock

JoshE
08-20-2004, 05:37 PM
Here is my arguement, I used it for the War Debate (But I posted it too late so they didn't count it XD):

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Bush is officialy declaired the most idiotic United States President ever been elected (Atleast in my point of view). He has nearly done nothing good to his nations politicaly, economicaly, socially and more I assume. I know I am not an American so I have no right to offend him at all, so if there is any Bush fan in here i apologize but he really sucks.

1. The attack on the two towers on 9/11 was already informed about but Bush simply didn't respond. It was known that the US Government knew about what will happen in New York even before the attacks yet they haven't moved an inch and then started to attack a whole sociaty based on religious without even studying it carefully. (Yes i am talking about attacking muslims).


2. The attacks on the two towers and then the US Government blaming Palestinians at first place then moving to Al-Qaida made people, especially americans, hate muslims without any reason, and that wasn't even helpful to the Palestinian case at all. Americans started to attack muslims in the USA, hating muslims outside the USA making a new religious war world didn't need.

Islam in my mind is a very peaceful religion which is used by radicals at times to control people. People first blamed Palestinians because there were images of Palestinian children getting Candy and dancing in the street after the attacks.

3. He was stupid enough to send his soldiers to Afghanistan, a dester, a climet americans couldn't take. His governemtn and country lost resources, men, money and had destroyed economy just to follow a man who pretend that he fights to free the Muslim world from american while that is not true at all.

If he did not send us to Afghanistan then people would be on him about how he did not respond to the terrorists.

American governments (Don't remember exactly when) armed muslims, Afghanistanies, and some arabs to fight the Soviet Union from Afghanistan, which means they have armed Osama Bin-Laden long time ago. But when America didn't need him or his men any more they dumbed them making him outrageous. He now attacks americans in a "Noble cause" as he pretends (Which is not true because killing innocent doesn't contain any nobility in it). So don't start blame muslims and arabs for mistakes US Governments did, does and will do always.

I have been studying this subject and the people america armed were actually part of a Nazi division in Egypt which helped kill Allied soldiers in WWII. I will post the whole story if you would like me to. It was told by an Irish Catholic who was part of invistigating Nazi's after the Holocaust. Anyway, These people were granted there freedom of all charges of being Nazi Callaberaters by fighting against americas new threat The USSR. The US Goverment was full of corruption at this time and there is no excuse that we armed these people. I will never blame a Muslim for what happend on 9/11. The Muslim religion has nothing to do with it. Each religion has done wrong things and it is unfair how people blame everyone in the Middle East. It is a very smaal % of evil people in the muslim religion. I dont blame Christians for the KKK. (I am African American) And there hate of my race.

4. The battle in Iraq wasn't for the Iraqi people as well, because Bush simply doesn't care if Iraq have a people or not anyway. The main purpose was Oil and nothing but Oil. Saddam had weapons but non is mass destruction, he was surrounded and his country was weak so there was no chance for Saddam to be a threat to any other country at all. Bush managed to beat Saddam, managed to create a new Iraqi government that supports the US (Which will allow the US to get very cheap or nearly free Oil from Iraq), and managed to control a new country in the arabic region (And i feel more is coming soon).

We should not fone to Iraq but I dont belive Bush's war in Iraq was for Oil completly. Micheal Moore makes you think though.

Bush is simply another terrorist, but he doesn't dierctly bomb because he fight for a cause the world believed in a while ago. But now he has pushed it so over the edge making the world hate him. Bush is simply not an idiot, he is very smart, smart indeed, but he is mean and evil so he simply attack. He managed to make world hate us (Arabs and Muslims and I am not a muslim by the way if any one asked -_-) and managed to control over Iraq and soon he will be able to take over all the arabic countries he need just to make sure that Israel will stay safe and make sure that the US gets enough oil for many hundred years ahead.

Bush is not a terrorists. He has made wrong descions but to call him a terrorist is not cool. I think he is wrong but to call him a terrorists is stupid. He protects Israel because Israel is his ally. I think the Saudi's are mor eof his Ally though.

PS. I know that the US has enough Oil to give the intire world for many many years but Bush (since he is kindda smart) knew that the american Oil must stay hidden and safe until the world Oil disappears. He uses other countries oil just to make sure he gets all the oil...

eh where did you get that? I did not know we had aa lot of oil. I thought only in Alaska.

~Tamer of Team Trainer

My comments are in bold.

Deoxys0003
09-02-2004, 03:23 AM
lol, like a bunch of couch potato teenagers would know anything as complex about the war in Iraq, or anything related to our government for that matter.

Kenny_C.002
09-02-2004, 04:06 AM
lol, like a bunch of couch potato teenagers would know anything as complex about the war in Iraq, or anything related to our government for that matter.

Why? A large number of the potato teens you're talking about have the ability to read, watch, and analyze news just as well as any average adult. That alone is enough to say that they can formulate opinions in regards to politics.

JoshE
09-02-2004, 03:24 PM
lol, like a bunch of couch potato teenagers would know anything as complex about the war in Iraq, or anything related to our government for that matter.

Couch Potato Teens can sit on there couch watch TV and learn about things most Teens don't know because they don't watch the news that much. As for you... How about presenting me with a real arguement insted insulting people in this thread.

Miravana
09-02-2004, 10:57 PM
lol, like a bunch of couch potato teenagers would know anything as complex about the war in Iraq, or anything related to our government for that matter.

I find that very amusing, but besides that.. We know about these kinds of things by watching various different news channels, reading newspapers.. Or in my case, taking a Current Issues class.

*Returns to her couch* ;D