Gym Leader's requirements

[Raddstealth316]

Ok this arguement has been brought up by magare a bit ago but noone took notice...Basically the arguement is that gym leaders should require 2 gym pokemon to become a leader of a gym. Yes i know alot of people will disagree but think of it this way: When a new gym leader gets a gym he/she has to own one gym pokemon and then you can bet that some trainer will come along, see an easy target as a new gymleader and beat them easily as they see them as an easy target, therefore the gym leader isn't defending their gym properly and makes it easy for trainers to walk through the gym when it should at least involve the leader putting up a fight. This problem could be lessened if the leader owns two, this will strengthen the squad and will make the gym more of a challenge. Although this could backfire as a trainer could just go out and buy for eg two electric mon for the electric gym without tming them, so that would be pointless. I think it would be best that you should have two pokemon with at least 1 tm on each. Yes i know it is alot to ask of new trainers who want to become gym leaders but a gym leader position is a privilege, something imo you should work for, not just get it as soon as you are starting out. So why not, if you are a new trainer work, battle alot, and eventaully you will have those two gym pokemon and a tm each. Then you could apply for a gym leader position and people would respect that, even if you loose, that you put up a good fight and did not let someone walk through it. That's my arguement, it would improve things alot around here, but I can't make decisions so it will be up to the higher powers I guess...

[JohtoTrainer]

yea ur right Dap some Gyms are just TOO easy. People request Gyms with there starter mon as soon as they start so it's really easy to beat 'em. :think:

[Tristan]

Hmm...well, that might cause some problems. I for one would be very annoyed if that took place. I'm in the middle of writing a story for a non-fighting type pokemon, and after that i wanted to catch a Psychic pokemon. There are NO Fighting types for sale at the 'mart, so by the time i have finished two stories and boughten a TM for my new 'mon, my Gym will have been taken by someone else. And also, there is a rule that you cannot have a gym unless you have been here for a while, so there CAN'T be noobs using starters in gyms...I don't think this should come into being right now :think: Sorry Dap...

[bronislav84]

Incredibly bad idea. I'm POOR right now and have no money for Pkmn. I also have no story time. All I can do is battle people for money. This proposal would kill me and make me lose the Gym I worked SOOOOOOOOO hard for. I vote "NO".

[boltAge]

Agree Dap. You must be QUALIFIED to be a Gym Leader. You can't just own a gym and let millions of trainers walk all over you. IMO that's just fine, I've been a leader of numerous gyms, and it's hard to guard them when you only have 1 pokemon of your gym's type.

Why would we let ppl off when they say "I don't have money!", or "I'm too lazy to write another story for it!"? Apparently, if you don't work hard for your gym, you don't deserve it. I'm sick of leaders who don't deserve the gym, but the league managers must give it to them because they fufil the requirements and asked earlier. I could start with a Sudowoodo and immediately own the Pewter Gym. Ridiculous, isn't it?

[pichu is cool]

how do you get pokemon.

p.s. i dunno why i'm asking u

[Neo Pikachu]

how do you get pokemon.

p.s. i dunno why i'm asking u

You write a story for them or you buy them at the mart. Just read the URPG Rules (http://www.empireirc.net/pokemonelite2000/showthread.php?t=61) and you'll figure everything out. But this really isn't the place to ask questions.

As for the gym requirements, I've never owned a gym and it will probably be a long time before I do, but I can agree with Dap that there should be a requirement of owning two types of the gym's Pokemon. Let's face it, no one is going to shell out serious cash for TMs so they can teach moves to Pokemon that they don't even own. However, if the gym leader owns at least two of their Pokemon, there will be some incentive to spending money on their Pokemon and therefore making the gym more challenging. Also, the leader should try to actually own as many Pokemon from their gym as possible, so it seems to be at least a little more realistic.

I honestly have no idea how long a person should be in the URPG before they can actually own a gym, but making the minimum requirement of having two fully evolved Pokemon in the gym will at least take a little time in itself. But then again, just becuase a person asked for Mawile as a starter and whipped out a capture story for a Skarmory in less than a week doesn't mean they should be able to waltz in the Steel gym already. Let's be reasonable here.

Whoever has a gym right now shouldn't be kicked out immediately, since that really isn't fair to the person who was owning the gym. Maybe starting now people should own two Pokemon of the gym's type before applying. That way, no one loses out and the problem is solved.

[Jack of Clovers]

just a quick comment:

if the gyms are too easy, then don't challenge them :think:

*continues to listen to comments on this subject*

~Jack~

[Shroomish]

Well, it would make sense; the main thing it would do is make sure the owner was loyal to their gym. I get sick of seeing people change gyms as often as they change socks.
Gyms are hard to defend and it would help if the leader owned as many mon as they could. For one, they could use them in regular trainer battles and kind of get used to them more. (You know, work out ways to use their movesets, figure out TMs to teach them, etc. It helps to battle with a mon as much as possible. Kind of gives you a feel for it I guess you could say.)

Anyway, for people who aren't good at writing and say it'd be impossible for them to own most of their gym mon, well, I've done some research at the mart and there's alot of mon each gym leader could buy for their gym that evolve into or are already decent types for their gym. Take a look.

Pewter - Geodude, Omanyte, Kabuto, Shuckle, Corsola, Larvitar, Lileep, and Anorth.
Cerulean - Squirtle, Shelder, Goldeen, Lapras, Omanyte, Kabuto, Totodile, Chinchou, Wooper, Corsola, Mudkip, Wingul, Eevee, Azurill, and Spheal.
Vermillion - Voltorb, Chinchou, Pichu, Mareep, Elekid, Eevee, Plusle, and Miniun.

I'll stop there but I checked, there are atlest two mon that each leader can raise for their gym at the mart. :P
For people who are the opposite (Don't have any money but can write) then write for your mon, simple as that.

Gyms weren't meant to be easy to obtain and defend and you should have to work hard for your gym.

Conclusion: I dunno if it should actually be a rule to own two of your gym mon but it most certainly is advised. Also, I do think it should be a rule that the one gym mon a person does own should have atleast around 10-15 battles under it's belt before a person is granted a gym. This shows that one has experiance with it.

Well, that's my two cents.

[Karisuma-Teichou]

It really don't matter to me eaither way. I have three of my 6 Gym Pomèmon 2 witch I still need to evolve. If I need to buy TM's I will...I actully see nothing worng with this. I dono what else to say really.

That's my two cents I stole from Shroomish...Lol.

[bronislav84]

just a quick comment:

if the gyms are too easy, then don't challenge them :think:

*continues to listen to comments on this subject*

~Jack~This strikes me as correct. I agree with Jack. I'm incredibly Loyal to my Gym. I'm just weak and poor now, :boohoo:.

[Tristan]

Pewter - Geodude, Omanyte, Kabuto, Shuckle, Corsola, Larvitar, Lileep, and Anorth.
Cerulean - Squirtle, Shelder, Goldeen, Lapras, Omanyte, Kabuto, Totodile, Chinchou, Wooper, Corsola, Mudkip, Wingul, Eevee, Azurill, and Spheal.
Vermillion - Voltorb, Chinchou, Pichu, Mareep, Elekid, Eevee, Plusle, and Miniun.

I'll stop there but I checked, there are atlest two mon that each leader can raise for their gym at the mart. :P
For people who are the opposite (Don't have any money but can write) then write for your mon, simple as that.
There is only one fighting 'mon in the 'mart, and that's Heracross. I am going to buy him soon, but i thought i'd just point out there there aren't two fighting Pokemon for my Dewford Island gym. :P

[Shroomish]

There is only one fighting 'mon in the 'mart, and that's Heracross. I am going to buy him soon, but i thought i'd just point out there there aren't two fighting Pokemon for my Dewford Island gym. :PWell, I said mon that will evolve into or are already mon suitable for a gym. Torchic is one; Blaziken is Fire/Fighting. :P

[Tristan]

Well, I said mon that will evolve into or are already mon suitable for a gym. Torchic is one; Blaziken is Fire/Fighting. :P
Ohhhhhh! Riiiiight! I forgot about Torchic, hehe! Sorry :P

[koolcurtis]

If you all want better gym leaders, then why did u not want to give back dux's gym to him. Instead some noob got it.
Also if you want someone to get more than 2 gym mon, then they most likely are the same type and will give them disadvantages in normal battles. If they got the 2 required mon for the gym and they have 4 mon total, then if they are in a normal 4v4 the opponent would have an easy time as 2 of the mon are basically the same type. It wasn't long ago that you didn't need any monfor a gym, but now you want 2. I say that the gym leaders should fight for their gyms. According to you, the strong should survive, so the winner should get the gym, right?

[boltAge]

If you all want better gym leaders, then why did u not want to give back dux's gym to him. Instead some noob got it.
Also if you want someone to get more than 2 gym mon, then they most likely are the same type and will give them disadvantages in normal battles. If they got the 2 required mon for the gym and they have 4 mon total, then if they are in a normal 4v4 the opponent would have an easy time as 2 of the mon are basically the same type. It wasn't long ago that you didn't need any monfor a gym, but now you want 2. I say that the gym leaders should fight for their gyms. According to you, the strong should survive, so the winner should get the gym, right?
Agree, I was about to suggest that, but I thought it would be off-topic.

And Jack, oh lord oh moderator, how do we get the badge if we dont challenge them?

[Karisuma-Teichou]

I dono why you people complain about how easy it is. If it's easy that means you can fight the Elite 4 that much quicker.

[bronislav84]

Agree, I was about to suggest that, but I thought it would be off-topic.

And Jack, oh lord oh moderator, how do we get the badge if we dont challenge them?

You can simply wait until you have all the other badges of that region. Why is is so hard to understand? I'm poor but if you insist on being mean and evil then I have to take the challenge. It's not like I'm not gonna take challenges, its just that this proposal would be bad. Neo Pikachu had the right idea. Make it for "all future applicants".

I dono why you people complain about how easy it is. If it's easy that means you can fight the Elite 4 that much quicker.

That's an evil way of thinking. You, Tony are an example of what I meant above.



Both of you are like talking to a wall :wall:.

[Raddstealth316]

If you all want better gym leaders, then why did u not want to give back dux's gym to him. Instead some noob got it.
Also if you want someone to get more than 2 gym mon, then they most likely are the same type and will give them disadvantages in normal battles. If they got the 2 required mon for the gym and they have 4 mon total, then if they are in a normal 4v4 the opponent would have an easy time as 2 of the mon are basically the same type. It wasn't long ago that you didn't need any monfor a gym, but now you want 2. I say that the gym leaders should fight for their gyms. According to you, the strong should survive, so the winner should get the gym, right?

OOD:Okay since noone will pick up on your actions, I will. There was no need to call Esper a noob, dux isn't even here so how would that work for people who want his badge to get an attempt at it but he's not around. February came and went from the month he said he would be back so meh. And plus it is all sorted because there is a strong gym leader in that position at the moment, Matthew, and he will defend it well. If you want to call esper a noob then say it to his face online or something not on the forum...you're supposed to be setting an example as a mod, from this action you're not.

Back in discussion: Fight for their gyms? As in battle those who also want to be the gym leader? I dont think that would work, there would be like chaos, people challenging each other to be gym leader every day and possible changes in positions so occasional that it would be hard to keep track of things. I think a safe advance on the problem is to go with two gym mon owned...
Tony the idea is to work hard and be strong enough to face the elite four not walk though gyms without any effort because they will get a wake up call when they face the elites, wouldn't it be better to have a challenge in the gyms, work hard to get the badges, then be prepared to face the elites?

And bron why would you be an exception? Just work hard to get more money by battling and you will be able to make your gym stronger in no time. Instead of playing the violin :boohoo: :wink: all the time, get up and do something about your state in the gym.

Thats my cents on it again.

[Karisuma-Teichou]

That was'nt the way I hopeing it would go. I was trying to point it out. Sue me!!

[boltAge]

o_O

firstly, i'd like to tell you a story of the good ol' monsta raik. don't worry, we'll just begin from a hundred year ago, instead of 5 hundred. long ago, raik oh raik owned the blackthorn gym. he had good mons that were tmed up well, but he finally gave up his gym. why, is what you ask. because he believed that he was being a terrible leader, and somebody else good would take over his gym. he didnt want to lose the badge to everybody.

there's my dollars(not cents).

anyway, away from the story *starts talking seriously*

I just believe that before a gym leader gets a gym, they have to get through a test set by the league managers. Getting the gym will have requirements, and that's up to the league manager to make. That's my 3 dollars.

[Neo Pikachu]

o_O

firstly, i'd like to tell you a story of the good ol' monsta raik. don't worry, we'll just begin from a hundred year ago, instead of 5 hundred. long ago, raik oh raik owned the blackthorn gym. he had good mons that were tmed up well, but he finally gave up his gym. why, is what you ask. because he believed that he was being a terrible leader, and somebody else good would take over his gym. he didnt want to lose the badge to everybody.

there's my dollars(not cents).

anyway, away from the story *starts talking seriously*

I just believe that before a gym leader gets a gym, they have to get through a test set by the league managers. Getting the gym will have requirements, and that's up to the league manager to make. That's my 3 dollars.

Actually, that isn't a bad idea. There are already tests for becoming story graders and refs. The only thing is, you need to consider who will administer these tests and what will the test consist of. How will the person who wants the gym be tested before given consideration of owning the gym? But, I guess that's more in the hands of Jack and Flare than me. I guess as a suggestion, you could have a fake battle between the Pokemon the player has chosen for the gym and test them on balence, strategy, and performance. If the player looks competent to hold the gym, then it should be given to them, just like a grader or ref.

But then again, people are constantly leaving gyms or switching to new ones. I guess having a test would somewhat force a person to stay in the gym they are in, rather than leave and have to go through the test again. Maybe that way you'll have fewer people deciding to leave their gym.

[Jack of Clovers]

NP- it may be in mine or Flare's hands, but listening to people opinions is important.

*steals money people are throwing away* :shifty:

good discussion so far.

~Jack~

[Magare]

Well, guess I should say something about this since it was me who started all of this.....

:wall:

Nope, cant think of anything...

The whole point is (no matter what you think Bron) that Gyms are not soposed to be easy to beat AND NEW MEMBERS SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO GET IT RIGHT AWAY. Thats why there should be that 2 pokemon rule. If you cant get 2 mon for "the gym you want SOOO much", then you are just incompetent... How hard is it to get 5000-8000 and buy a pokemon from the mart? And there are at least 2 mons of almost every type in it......

Oh and one other thing... For all those gym leaders out there who refuse challenges because "they are too weak to defend it right now", why did you take the gym in the first place (exclude Bron in this one, his PC problems would drive anyone insane, yet he's still around). IF your too weak, give it up and ask for it again when you feel strong enough to defend it properly.

GYM LEADERS CAN NOT REFUSE CHALLENGES!!! Dont forget that.

[Andreas]

Magare, so a Gym leader cant refuse challenges, i think that sounds kinda crazy, cause u dont have the time to have a battle all the time, like if a guy/girl from USA or something wanted to challenge a guy/girl with a gym that lives in England and the time in England is like 0:00 pm in the night, cant u refuse the challenge then?? :silenced:

[Sorry if u dont understand me i have a little hard the say what i really mean, cause im not the worlds best in English] =P

[boltAge]

*steals money people are throwing away* :shifty:

~Jack~
heh..lol.

Magare, Gym Leaders ARE allowed to refuse Gym Challenges. I've challenged this random gym leader countless times, and all he said was, "I g2g in a while" or something like that. That...is a reason I guess :rolleyes:

IMO, a good leader should own all 6 mons of his gym. All with sufficient TMs to defeat any average battlers. That'd be sorta impossible, but it's still a good way to have good gym leaders. Countless people would be kicked from their gym leader positions, but this gives them a push to get them to start bucking up and getting more mons :twisted:

[JohtoTrainer]

Gym Leaders HAVE to have a reason to refuse a challenge. And Building up my team and getting money is not one of them. You can't just say "Aw. Your gonna beat me because I haven't had the gym long so I won't battle you"

[Magare]

Like JT said, gym leaders have to have a good reason to refuse challenges. Okay, if a person has to go off there's nothing you can do about it. But you can not refuse to battle someone because they are better than you are...

[flareon008]

Gym Leaders have the right to Refuse a gym battle, wether they are leaving or they're busy from homework. Thats totally allowed. However, if the reason is because a trainner is stronger just isn't going to work. Just please report to the Owner of the league to be kept track off.
New trainers are allowed to take a gym. That is the league choice to allow that. For myself, I did not because I wanted to see if my gym leaders would be active.

League owners will make the decisions on their gyms.

Please do not refuse a battle play because of strength. This is suppose to for the love of battling. Don't make it hard on yourself because you feel you must be the best trainner or Gym.

[bronislav84]

Flareon, are you saying that I should take the challenge, get creamed, and NOT feel bad for myself?

I'd be depressed. A Gym shoul dnot be a walk in the park, right?

[flareon008]

thats why you work at making your gym become the best it can be. You can't handles a lost then maybe a gym isn't for you. Getting creamed is apart of battling. Not very fair to the trainer because you don't want to lose.

[bronislav84]

Actually, that's not a bad point there.

[boltAge]

Gym Leaders have the right to Refuse a gym battle, wether they are leaving or they're busy from homework. Thats totally allowed. However, if the reason is because a trainner is stronger just isn't going to work. Just please report to the Owner of the league to be kept track off.
New trainers are allowed to take a gym. That is the league choice to allow that. For myself, I did not because I wanted to see if my gym leaders would be active.

League owners will make the decisions on their gyms.

Please do not refuse a battle play because of strength. This is suppose to for the love of battling. Don't make it hard on yourself because you feel you must be the best trainner or Gym.
What? How would you know why the gym leader refused the battle? The Gym Leader could say he was doing homework when he's actually scared of losing.

Yeah, let newbies be gym leader so everybody would have the badge.[/sarcasm]

[flareon008]

If you think something is up, you should talk to the owner of the league. If you sit around doing nothing, nothing will happen.

[FinalThunder]

i also have to agree.
a tms should be handed over not pokemon

[Nintendofreak000]

-_- Don't bother reviving dead threads if its not important...