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Evanna
03-12-2004, 06:27 PM
Death penalty isn't allowed in my country (Belgium) yet, but there's a lot of discussion about it. A girl I know has told me her opinion. She's strongly against death penalty, but even though I agree with everything she says, I still choose for death penalty to be allowed. :confused:

Her opinion:
1. You can't play God
2. Innocent people could die
3. The convicted person wouldn't suffer anymore
4. One good thing: Less people in jail :/

Our country doesn't know where to put convicted people anymore. So that would be a good thing.

My opinion, death penalty if:
1. If there's no doubt for innocence
2. Very very bad crimes
3. If they aren't sorry for their acts

For example. I don't know if anybody knows Mark Dutroux, but he's the biggest child seducer of my country. His record is 500 000 pages long (seriously). He seduced about 20 people. In the beginning only women above 18, then he had to go to jail for 8 years, and then he started over again with 12 y old girls. The investigation took 8 years :/ And now he's finally in court. The trial is running for about 4 days now. (Man I should make a whole topic about him O_O )
My point is... I think they should just kill him -_-
Someone even put a mini guillotine (was that spelled right?) in front of the court building XD "I'm just putting everyone's thoughts into acts" he said.

In such cases, I'd really kill them. A loooong painful death -_- He let 2 girls starve to death, I'd give him the same penalty

plasmaball3000
03-12-2004, 09:05 PM
I against it. For me, that gets to close to 'an eye for an eye'. I know some people think that it costs more to keep someone in jail for life than to kill them, but it actually costs several times more to kill someone than an average life sentence (40 years), not to mention money for all of the appeals and court time.

Seven
03-12-2004, 09:51 PM
I'm against the Death Penalty too. I don't think it's right to fight violence with violence. And besides, having to live with yourself and what you ahve done in improsenment is a way better punishment I think.
Though people like Dutroux should be killed in a very horrofic way. Not by the law, but an assasin should kidnap him, improsen him, abuse him and then kill him, in the most painful way thinkable.

*hates Dutroux*

Evanna
03-13-2004, 05:04 AM
Though people like Dutroux should be killed in a very horrofic way. Not by the law, but an assasin should kidnap him, improsen him, abuse him and then kill him, in the most painful way thinkable.

*hates Dutroux*

You said it yourself...

But now I come to think of it, I wouldn't wanna be the one who has to kill someone O_O Cause I should live with a murder on my neck too then.
And maybe I should revise my opinion :think: Jail is bad too oO Living between 4 walls for the rest of your life, between other cruel people.

*I will never do something bad again :shifty: *

plasmaball3000
03-13-2004, 01:07 PM
I'm against the Death Penalty too. I don't think it's right to fight violence with violence. And besides, having to live with yourself and what you ahve done in improsenment is a way better punishment I think.
Though people like Dutroux should be killed in a very horrofic way. Not by the law, but an assasin should kidnap him, improsen him, abuse him and then kill him, in the most painful way thinkable.

*hates Dutroux*

Actually, this is similar to how some countries interrogate people. They sit in a room asking questions, and when they don't get the answer they would like, have someone from another country (that doesn't mind doing this sort of thing) break a finger or something.

But anyway, if the point of prisin was solely punishment, they might as well just give everyone in there a life sentence. In my opinion, there should be some aspect of rehabilitation in there, so if the state kills them, that aspect is gone.

Seven
03-13-2004, 02:56 PM
Actually, this is similar to how some countries interrogate people. They sit in a room asking questions, and when they don't get the answer they would like, have someone from another country (that doesn't mind doing this sort of thing) break a finger or something.

But anyway, if the point of prisin was solely punishment, they might as well just give everyone in there a life sentence. In my opinion, there should be some aspect of rehabilitation in there, so if the state kills them, that aspect is gone.

Well, it shouldn't be done by the goverment - but what Dutroux did is just...
You're right when you look at it logical, but that man is a monster. He kidnapped two little girls, and locked them up in a secret dungeon, where he sexually abused them. When he was in prison for minor offences, they starved to death. He kidnapped other girls too, he buried two alive, and the other two were saved by the police. All sexually abused.

No state should kill...absolutely true.

Scizor
03-13-2004, 03:07 PM
Dutroux must die painfull, that dirty man

first ********** then after that ****** will not say my thoughts becouse i hate him !!!! I live in Holland next to Belgium, so i see everything on the news. He tried to blaim other people and he sleeped at the court on the first day in it.

It's horrible what he have done

plasmaball3000
03-13-2004, 03:27 PM
I'm not condoning what he did, and for many people like him I think that there is no punishment great enough, I just don't think anyone should die at the hands of the state.

masaki
03-13-2004, 09:51 PM
I'm against the Death Penalty too. I don't think it's right to fight violence with violence. And besides, having to live with yourself and what you ahve done in improsenment is a way better punishment I think.



I agree with that. Killing them will ease pain from their crimes as though it never happened. Making them suffer in jail is much better 'cause your stuck with crappy food, bored all day etc.

Crimson Spider
03-15-2004, 07:58 AM
There are more different ways to look against the death penalty than there are to kill someone.

1. It costs too much (which is debatable)
2. It's too cruel. Every man should have the right to live
3. It's not cruel enough. They have to suffer in jail first.

Multiple angles. Hard to find a medium, eh?

Personally, I'm a supporter of it.

LolJolteonMaster
03-15-2004, 08:51 AM
Hmmm...I oppose the death penalty. If someone did something bad enough to get it, they don't deserve death. They deserve to rot away for life in a jail cell. A full life of misery, instead of a few seconds of pain.

boltAge
03-15-2004, 11:31 AM
Death Penalty should be allowed. Think.

1) Why waste food and water on some random idiot who did harm to the world?

2) I believe in a life for a life. If somebody murdered somebody else, that somebody's life should be taken away too.

plasma: Where did you get the fact that killing a person costs more than keeping a person in prison for years? Food, and Water are resources that are limited on earth, why do we waste them on somebody who did harm?

Scizor
03-15-2004, 11:34 AM
This man doesn't even desurve to live

GuardianFlygon
03-15-2004, 11:38 AM
My point exactly... I live in the USA but I orginate from Egypt.. I could tell ALOT of BAD stories from 10,000 years ago in Egypt.. :wall:

Evanna
03-17-2004, 05:33 PM
I'm against the Death Penalty too.

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Though people like Dutroux should be killed in a very horrofic way. Not by the law, but an assasin should kidnap him, improsen him, abuse him and then kill him, in the most painful way thinkable.

*hates Dutroux*

*Points that out again*
So actually you're not rEALLy against death penalty :/
And to you others: What would you do with people like Binladin? I'd torture him to death... I believe, if you've done a lot of bad things in your life, and if you die, there's some kind of punishment waiting for you. :/ That's what I believe... You can't change my mind.
It's easier for us to kill them. Costs less money and another bad person removed from the world. Life is a beautiful thing. I wouldn't give it away for 1 mil dollar :/

Seven
03-17-2004, 05:41 PM
*Points that out again*
So actually you're not rEALLy against death penalty :/
And to you others: What would you do with people like Binladin? I'd torture him to death... I believe, if you've done a lot of bad things in your life, and if you die, there's some kind of punishment waiting for you. :/ That's what I believe... You can't change my mind.
It's easier for us to kill them. Costs less money and another bad person removed from the world. Life is a beautiful thing. I wouldn't give it away for 1 mil dollar :/

I'm not saying it's right to do it. And I don't think it really should be done, but I can't denie how I feel about him.
If that made any sense at all :S

plasmaball3000
03-17-2004, 10:42 PM
plasma: Where did you get the fact that killing a person costs more than keeping a person in prison for years? Food, and Water are resources that are limited on earth, why do we waste them on somebody who did harm?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7#financial%20facts

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html

One major point being that the average trial for a death sentece case costs on average 16 times more than a comparable non-death sentence case, then the appeals also cost a great deal.

JohtoTrainer
03-18-2004, 12:04 AM
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7#financial%20facts

http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/cost.html

One major point being that the average trial for a death sentece case costs on average 16 times more than a comparable non-death sentence case, then the appeals also cost a great deal.


BUT people need those resources such as Food and Water!! Those stupid people don't deserve it. Poor families need them not those stupid idiots. They should be put to death...and that site might not be talking about having to keep a prisoner all it's stupid life......it's gonna come out to be alot more if they get life in prison......

Black Knight
03-22-2004, 02:02 AM
If a person is mean, or is a criminal, they don't deserve any recources! :razz:

plasmaball3000
03-22-2004, 02:23 AM
BUT people need those resources such as Food and Water!! Those stupid people don't deserve it. Poor families need them not those stupid idiots. They should be put to death...and that site might not be talking about having to keep a prisoner all it's stupid life......it's gonna come out to be alot more if they get life in prison......

No, the site is talking about how much it would cost to keep the average prisoner in for life. Besides, if the money didn't go to keeping the prisoners alive, it wouldn't go people in need (it's from the government, remember). The money would just get added to the big pot, and it wouldn't be put aside for public health.

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03-22-2004, 07:04 PM
Man these are topics most will talk about in high school in contemp problems.


Ahh well Capital punishment, i am for it i have no problem removing a person from society if it is for a justifiable reason. like those 2 kids who kidnapped another kid and murdered him just to see what it was like? where in the hell do they get the right to kill a person with no apparent remorse?

People say who's right is it for a murderer to be killed?

well what gave them the right to kill the person anyways ?

I know if someone came into your houses and slaughter your family just cause they want to see someone die you would want them dead and buried, hell i wouldnt give them a proper burial i would have them burned and then have their ashes burned in the process.

cost wise i agree it does cost to much to kill a murderer. so i say go back to the old vietnam days where all you had to do was walk up and shoot a person in the back of the head with 1 bullet. Cost effective no?

I have had a family member killed so i guess that influences my take on it but even if my uncle was still alive i more than likeley would still support it.

then there is a chance an innocent person maybe killed but there was a study that showed that a half of 1 percent of people on death row are innocent. and i find our system really messed up that some murderers are given chances to "redeem" themselves (i dont find that possible at all) and they go and murder another person, so it woulda been a heck of a lot easier to kill them and be done with it.

but if it is murder in self defense then i have no problem with it.

So i am FOR it.

I love the quote "Kill them and have God sort em out"

Evanna
03-28-2004, 03:16 PM
Thanks for the input Seph. oO I appreciate it. Sorry about your uncle :silenced: I can understand your opinion.
But it's so weird that death penalties cost so much more :/ Like you said, one bullet needed and the case is over.
"Nobody should be killed by the state". Why the heck not? There are plenty of people who'd like to kill a sun of a [insert naughty word] like binladin. Less problems in society. Even crime would decrease I think, people would be warned for the consequences.

Khashoggi
04-09-2004, 02:32 PM
Everyone has a reason for what they do. Just because the standard laws are not to kill, rape, steal etc., doesn't mean they're right or fair in everyone's eyes. People need to be understood, not punished.

And do we even know what death is? Sure, people can imagine what happens when our bodies break down, but nobody can prove or disprove any theory; nobody knows. Perhaps we're sending criminals on to a better life. Perhaps not. Opinions on the death penalty are highly influenced by beliefs of death. Personally, I think it most likely that there is not an afterlife, and nobody, however horrendous their crime, deserves to have their life ended in such a way.

For those that believe crimes such as murder should be punished with death; as long as it is impossible to understand the mysteries of death, you'll never know whether you have rewarded, punished or had little effect on the person in question.

I also find it disgusting that many of those backing the death penalty would call themselves "Christians" and deny supporting "eye-for-eye" justice.

Steven
05-03-2004, 05:53 AM
As long as they're sure that they did the crime, they should die, otherwise be beaten badly. No matter how big or small the crime. You just shouldn't commit the crime. The reason I say this is because it should give you the insentive not to do a crime... I mean you shouldn't be doing the crime in the first place, so I really wouldn't mind... I mean as long as you aren't doing anything bad you won't get hurt. I mean it's just something people shouldn't do. The only reason they do it is because the punishment is light and they are willing to risk it, but if they're risking their life, they KNOW they are so if they get caught that IS their fault.

And do we even know what death is? Sure, people can imagine what happens when our bodies break down, but nobody can prove or disprove any theory; nobody knows. Perhaps we're sending criminals on to a better life. Perhaps not. Opinions on the death penalty are highly influenced by beliefs of death. Personally, I think it most likely that there is not an afterlife, and nobody, however horrendous their crime, deserves to have their life ended in such a way.

That doesn't make sense. I mean we all are going to die, so if we get rid of them we won't have to deal with them at all. I mean if we're sending them off to a good place, then why aren't we all killing ourselves? It just doesn't make sense. We're sending them away permanently so we don't have to worry about murderers and other bad people. I mean good or bad ahead of us, we all die sooner or later anyways.

Tamer Marco
05-05-2004, 12:56 AM
Dude this thread is as old has hell...



I have mixed feelings about the death penalty. I won't mention who it is but a loved one of mine was almost taken to the e-chair. He didn't really deserve what he did but he deserved something worse than a decade in jail. That's all I have to say...

Lord Mullet
05-09-2004, 04:25 AM
He seduced about 20 people. In the beginning only women above 18, then he had to go to jail for 8 years
Huh? Seducing isn't a crime.

se·duce
tr.v. se·duced, se·duc·ing, se·duc·es
1. To lead away from duty, accepted principles, or proper conduct. See synonyms at lure.
2. To induce to engage in sex.
3.
a)To entice or beguile into a desired state or position.
b)To win over; attract.