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Sasuke94
09-05-2007, 02:17 AM
Is This a normal set, because it is pretty good.

Umbreon@Leftover
Bold(252 sp def and 252 in def)
-Protect
-Wish
-Toxic
Confuse Ray

Are There any counters to this as well?

Ulazlo
09-05-2007, 02:18 AM
Is This a normal set, because it is pretty good.

Umbreon@Leftover
Bold(252 sp def and 252 in def)
-Protect
-Wish
-Toxic
Confuse Ray

Are There any counters to this as well?
you want some ev's in hp. but overall i pretty good set, if someone used taunt though you would be in trouble.

Archeopterix
09-05-2007, 03:16 AM
EVs should go 252 HP, and then your own mixture into Defense and Special Defense.

Umbreon is better as a Baton Passer, try

Toxic
Wish
Mean Look
Baton Pass

Sasuke94
09-05-2007, 03:22 AM
I Dont really like baton passing, Because the opponent gets a free hit, and if your slow,two hits. Maybe I Could BP On A Sub with mean look. I went against an umbreon like my first post, but instead of toxic it had charm and it took 3 or 4 guys out!If I use Attract, then bp, will attract go as well if it is the same gender?

Cool Kid 94
09-05-2007, 04:05 AM
You need Mean Look, or they'll switch on C-Ray and Toxic.

Sasuke94
09-05-2007, 04:07 AM
Thanks, So:

Umbreon @lefties
Bold/impish?
-Mean look
-Confuse Ray
-Toxic/wish
-Protect

What should the evs be?

Archeopterix
09-05-2007, 04:09 AM
I use 252 HP/134 Defense/124 Special Defense

Gold Groudon
09-05-2007, 07:05 AM
I good umbreon is the one Cool Kid said but another one is

Umbreon@leftovers
Synchronize
Bold 252hp, 128def, 124 sp.def
Mean look
Toxic
Taunt
Wish

I would only use this if you dn't want batton pass. Like Ulazlo said Taunt is a problem so you use taunt as well so they can't

RonRaygunX3
09-05-2007, 11:10 AM
I would use this set, it works really well.

Umreon@leftovers
Bold,252Hp,129Def,129Sp.Def
Meanlook
Charm
Wish
BattonPass

BattonPass may give the foe a free hit but when it's reduced by charm and your switching to a counter anyway it works like a "charm"!

Cool Kid 94
09-05-2007, 02:12 PM
Umbreon@Leftovers
Impish (252 HP, 128 Def, 128 Sp. Def)
Mean Look
Confuse Ray
Wish
Protect

Are you trying to do Protect/Wish?

barnz
09-05-2007, 02:30 PM
I think this is good as an annoyer.

Umbreon - Leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 128 Def, 128 Sp. Def
- moonlight
- toxic
- confuse ray
- protect

I think how this would work is that you always do confuse ray and then toxic right after. If they switch when they are confused, then you will poison the next guy and can just confuse him on the next turn. But if you're up against a poison or steel type, then you should just confuse them, and switch to a different pokemon. Protect is there to add a free turn of toxic damage, leftovers recovery, and moonlight for more healing.

Cool Kid 94
09-05-2007, 02:36 PM
I think this is good as an annoyer.

Umbreon - Leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 128 Def, 128 Sp. Def
- moonlight
- toxic
- confuse ray
- protect

I think how this would work is that you always do confuse ray and then toxic right after. If they switch when they are confused, then you will poison the next guy and can just confuse him on the next turn. But if you're up against a poison or steel type, then you should just confuse them, and switch to a different pokemon. Protect is there to add a free turn of toxic damage, leftovers recovery, and moonlight for more healing.

Wish would be better than Moonlight in the set. Wish works with Protect.