View Full Version : They're making ash suck...
PingRoxMySox
09-05-2007, 09:49 PM
Read the title I mean, he used to win almost every battle, now he loses a lot, last season he almost never beat the Battle Pyramaid, and it took him 3 tries to be the Orebough gym, I mean he beats most of his gyms, used to. For someone with so much experience, they've made him so much crappier...
Do you agree?
Frozen Torchic
09-05-2007, 09:56 PM
He's not in the Kanto region now. There are strong trainers and new Pokemon, and alot of them have ways of beating his Pokemon.
Wingull
09-05-2007, 09:57 PM
Read the title I mean, he used to win almost every battle, now he loses a lot, last season he almost never beat the Battle Pyramaid, and it took him 3 tries to be the Orebough gym, I mean he beats most of his gyms, used to. For someone with so much experience, they've made him so much crappier...
Do you agree?
I actually disagree with you.
It's actually good that he sometimes loses, Im sick of him Winning.
And it only took him 2 tries to beath the Orebrough Gym Leader.
I mean, not everyone can win at everything.
Frozen Torchic
09-05-2007, 09:59 PM
I actually disagree with you.
It's actually good that he sometimes loses, Im sick of him Winning.
And it only took him 2 tries to beath the Orebrough Gym Leader.
I mean, not everyone can win at everything.
Its the truth. I mean, look, he lost to Brock on his first try, he lost to Lt. Surge on his first try. He almost lost to Misty.
Wingull
09-05-2007, 10:06 PM
Its the truth. I mean, look, he lost to Brock on his first try, he lost to Lt. Surge on his first try. He almost lost to Misty.
Yes, and it's also said that he will lose on his first try to Gardenia, but it doesn't bother me.
If I were in the Pokemon World, I'd have Trouble beating a Gym Leader, I mean, look at them! Im Surprised Ash made it this Far. :eek:
PingRoxMySox
09-05-2007, 10:15 PM
I know, but come on, no Kanto has the same amounrt of power as Sinnoh, duh, none of them are better than the other.
I mean they're making him worse than ever, I can understand once but he's starting to lose twice, which is not like him at all.
spartan117
09-05-2007, 10:45 PM
I know, but come on, no Kanto has the same amounrt of power as Sinnoh, duh, none of them are better than the other.
I mean they're making him worse than ever, I can understand once but he's starting to lose twice, which is not like him at all.
Well I kinda have to agree with you but I dont watch the series anymore. After Pokemon advance started(so crappy omg......) I havent really watched pokemon.
Pickleboy
09-06-2007, 03:16 AM
Its the truth. I mean, look, he lost to Brock on his first try, he lost to Lt. Surge on his first try. He almost lost to Misty.
Yes, but he was just getting STARTED then! You'd think after all he's been through (all the movies with the legendary pokemon and over 500 episodes now), he would kinda start getting the hang of how a battle can work to his advantage. But then again, what fun would it be watching him win all the time? After all, it's the problems that entertain us, not the "good day" plots.
It's also possible the people that are beating him are using hacks! lol
I mean, come on, almost every one in the real world are, so why can't the people in the Anime? That's the only REAL excuse Ash can have.
Fire Pkmn Master
09-06-2007, 03:22 AM
I really dont care. Ash should be smart enough already to know most of the attacks and weaknesses and train a lot more. But if he loses he loses. You can win em all. Its better for him to lose because thats when he trains harder than when he would win and he'll learn from his mistakes. You cant expect this man to be the best. He should with just having pikachu for four seasons. But thats just the way the series goes. Just be happy its not you losing once or twice to a leader. I dont mind because Id just learn from the mistakes and work harder. Thats what you have to do.
.::F.P.M::.
Star-Wailord
09-06-2007, 08:46 PM
I actually disagree with you.
It's actually good that he sometimes loses, Im sick of him Winning.
And it only took him 2 tries to beath the Orebrough Gym Leader.
I mean, not everyone can win at everything.
i agree too it would be much boring went there was no challenge.
Boring:sleepy:
Dragon Trainer Kid
09-07-2007, 02:11 PM
yeh if Ash will never lost there will be no challenge and it will become boring
and also he isn't in kanto the weakest region
Neo Pikachu
09-07-2007, 06:00 PM
I talked with fullmetal about this on AIM yesterday, and we both came to the same conclusion. Every time there’s a new season and Ash heads to a new region, its like he has total amnesia about all the things he should still know regarding battling strategy. Instead, he packs up his good Pokémon away, gets newer, weaker ones, and starts all over.
At this point in the game, the series should be focusing less on getting badges and that kind of overdone junk, and focusing more on plots. Have a plot like Pokémon XD or something like that. Let the battles be storyline-driven. Instead, the whole series has gone stale from just badge collecting. However, they need Ash to still screw up so its not as predictable.
Honestly, all of these reasons are why I stopped watching years ago. It’s only the movies that still interest me because guess what? New plots, no badges. Meanwhile, Ash is actually thinking straight (mostly) to do something at least a little heroic. And usually, Ash is up against so much more than just someone else’s Pokémon.
All in all, make the anime more like the movies.
jabpoké
09-07-2007, 06:12 PM
I don't care. But Ash only has Pokemon like Turtwig and Staravia. He never evolves them properly. He didn't even want to evolve Pikachu.
Lusitania
09-07-2007, 07:58 PM
Yes, but there just one thing. Pikachu! Remember the episode with the Pokemon Academy, Ash said he was training for about two months, Pikachu should be level 25. HE's been training for like four years, and it should like level 100. He's losing to the first gym, that some new trainers are beating. Anyone see my point?
Neo Pikachu
09-08-2007, 01:54 AM
Yes, but there just one thing. Pikachu! Remember the episode with the Pokemon Academy, Ash said he was training for about two months, Pikachu should be level 25. HE's been training for like four years, and it should like level 100. He's losing to the first gym, that some new trainers are beating. Anyone see my point?
I know. It's highly screwed up.
Pikachu needs to find a new trainer. Ash must have a pulsing aura of screwiness that jinxes everyone else, including his own Pokemon. Like I said, Ash should be doing something else now. Not getting enough badges that he can bury himself in a pile of them.
Nick_Roge
09-08-2007, 03:20 AM
I disagree completely. To me, Ash losing more battles just makes things more realistic. I mean, in this world, there are going to be people stronger than you.
RocketMeowth
09-08-2007, 04:17 AM
Yes, but there just one thing. Pikachu! Remember the episode with the Pokemon Academy, Ash said he was training for about two months, Pikachu should be level 25. HE's been training for like four years, and it should like level 100. He's losing to the first gym, that some new trainers are beating. Anyone see my point?
I heard from somewhere that the Pokemon writers lower Pikachu's level back to 5 for every region. That's why Pikachu losses to weaker Pokemon. Now I don't know if it's true but I tend to believe it.
Also, with Ash loseing more battles, it makes your attention stay focused on the show. Unpredictable losses are what we want. Now, all the time losses aren't good, but all the time wins... I'd rather have all the time losses.
=^^= Nya
Moonlight
09-08-2007, 04:56 AM
Now this sorta thing is why I think that they should either A just make a new generation thing following the jorney of a new trainer in Orre or somewhere Ash hasn't been or B Make Ash a champ and do it about him having to safe a Legendary or a kidnaaped friend from doom. Cause this situation is nuts. A Pokémon trainer like Ash should not be struggling in a gym for begginers ( Orebough, Dewford ) That`s just not right, it`s not. Making Pikachu go back to level 5 and Ash recycling his team is garbage. That`s my opinon. *Angry mob throws Moon into the Artic ocean for saying such things *
Xerion
09-08-2007, 05:11 AM
I know, but come on, no Kanto has the same amounrt of power as Sinnoh, duh, none of them are better than the other.
I mean they're making him worse than ever, I can understand once but he's starting to lose twice, which is not like him at all.That first sentence made me laugh...HARD! Um yeah, they don't have the same amount of power, if they did, then why are there 8 gyms, obviously the first gym leader is weaker than the 8th. I'm pretty sure a different league is stronger than all of those. The Orange Island for one.
-Xerion
Neo Pikachu
09-08-2007, 05:38 AM
Now this sorta thing is why I think that they should either A just make a new generation thing following the jorney of a new trainer in Orre or somewhere Ash hasn't been or B Make Ash a champ and do it about him having to safe a Legendary or a kidnaaped friend from doom. Cause this situation is nuts. A Pokémon trainer like Ash should not be struggling in a gym for begginers ( Orebough, Dewford ) That`s just not right, it`s not. Making Pikachu go back to level 5 and Ash recycling his team is garbage. That`s my opinon. *Angry mob throws Moon into the Artic ocean for saying such things *
No, I totally agree with you because it doesn't make sense. If Ash is losing to the beginning gyms of the new leagues, then there wouldn't be a chance any new trainer would be able to defeat these leaders. And the team recycling is getting stupid. Maybe it was okay once for Johto, and back then, it was somewhat excusable. Now, its becoming a headache.
And like you said, time for another storyline. Battling gym leaders is old, its been old for the longest time. Setting Pikachu back to an inexperienced state is old and it doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. Either let Ash finish or quit the league, and let future episodes be mission-based. Like you said, trying to save a legendary like he does in the movies, but draw them out over a span of episodes. Or maybe joining some kind of freedom-fighter organization. Something, come on. This is like sending Army Colonels back to basic training and they're screwing up. Its all coming down to one simple thing:
We're watching a cycle of material we've seen already that's quickly degenerating itself. And ladies and gentlemen, this is how the series only gets even more boring. It's probably the number one reason why I haven't watched the series for over two years already. I feel like I'm watching junk that I've seen before, but isn't even as good the second time as it was the first!
Setting Ash's experience back to nil and Pikachu's level down to 5 again is NOT the answer. Having him do yet another boring league (yawn) to get another eight badges (yawn) to try and complete in the league tournament (yawn) only to end up losing anyway (yawn) is needless to say, very boring. Ash is having serious brain farts and poor Pikachu is lost in the middle of it all, trying to relearn his fighting abilities like Jason Bourne because for some weird and bizarre reason, a major rift in time and space causes him to suddenly lose absolutely everything he's tried to learn.
In closing, the anime can take one of two routes. One, the plot changes dramatically and Ash does something completely different from the games (wow, wouldn't that be nice?). Save legendaries, join a good-aligned freedom fighter team or something of that nature...
...or it can keep going the way its going, lose the interest of absolutely every one of its viewers, and that ends up being the death of it.
It would be a crying shame if that's how it actually all ends. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/Ultradyne/Pikachu%20Emotes/blank.gif
Moonlight
09-08-2007, 06:14 AM
Neo, that's exactly what I was thinking, the "We're watching a cycle of material we've seen already that's quickly degenerating itself" quoted from Neo Pikachu, Ok in Kanto it was fresh, and Johto was amusing to see more gyms and types. But now, it's like how many more leages is there gonna be ? There's a terrible lack of creativity going on. I mean, why can't thet rhink of anything fun, exiting, new. I'm a prairie teen and I can think of many great things, and their big city pro writers and can't think of anything else but more gyms. I'm sick of seeing the some old stuff over and over again. Soon it'll be "I'm off to get my 999th badge". Oops i've gone off topic, but think about it, its simply that "We're watching a cycle of material we've seen already that's quickly degenerating itself" quoted from Neo Pikachu
pikachufan25
09-09-2007, 06:48 PM
I'm sorry to ruin the fun for anyone who thinks Ash is going to win more gym battles, because according to serebii.net in the japenese pokemon episodes ash lost to gardenia and about the whole recycling thing, I agree with it since Paul and Gary both act the same and were always ahead of ash which they are now. Gary only caught strong pokemon and paul catches any pokemon but only keeps it if it meets his standards.
Poltergeist
09-09-2007, 09:23 PM
One of Ashes biggest problems is that now he NEVER uses his old pokemon. I have to ask why does he not bring at least one of his experienced pokemon along for every gym battle as insurance in case things take a turn for the worse, which they do. Sigh Neo is right though they do need a new bigger plot that spans over more then 1 episode and doesn't involve the gym. They also need to lose Team Rocket. To me they are just there to fill episode time because they cant make a full one without them. Seriously they should bring in new Team Galaxy villians or something and involve them far more into the plot then just a few stinkin episodes. Oh aand the T.V. show needs to stick to game logic as Pikachus attacks should not be able to affect ground monsters no matter how strong it is. I can still remember that episode where Pikachu and Swellow beat solrock and Lunatone with some of the stupidest logic I have ever seen. Man the show needs some serious help to save its ship from sinking.
Lord Voldemort
09-09-2007, 10:04 PM
Yeah...
Pikachu should be able to murder any Pokemon it sees, even without Juno-like Powers.
I also agree with people about the whole Team Rocket thing.
In the first Region thing, they were actually part of an organization, with somewhat large plans. That added interest.
Now, all they do is try to catch Pikachu.
EDIT: If some of my stuff seems outdated, it's because I stopped watching it halfway through Advance.
Lusitania
09-10-2007, 08:23 PM
I know. It's highly screwed up.
Pikachu needs to find a new trainer. Ash must have a pulsing aura of screwiness that jinxes everyone else, including his own Pokemon. Like I said, Ash should be doing something else now. Not getting enough badges that he can bury himself in a pile of them.
That was the funniest thing I've ever read on the entire forum. But, why don't you throw Ash away totally, and go onto a new character, follow the Ranger thing, because you're going to go on different missions every time.
Stubby Boardman
09-10-2007, 08:35 PM
Read the title I mean, he used to win almost every battle, now he loses a lot, last season he almost never beat the Battle Pyramaid, and it took him 3 tries to be the Orebough gym, I mean he beats most of his gyms, used to. For someone with so much experience, they've made him so much crappier...
Do you agree?
well they dont want ash to win every battle. In otherwords he isnt the best trainer and they want u to see that. well something like that
Moonlight
09-11-2007, 03:13 AM
One of Ashes biggest problems is that now he NEVER uses his old pokemon. I have to ask why does he not bring at least one of his experienced pokemon along for every gym battle as insurance in case things take a turn for the worse, which they do. Sigh Neo is right though they do need a new bigger plot that spans over more then 1 episode and doesn't involve the gym. They also need to lose Team Rocket. To me they are just there to fill episode time because they cant make a full one without them. Seriously they should bring in new Team Galaxy villians or something and involve them far more into the plot then just a few stinkin episodes. Oh aand the T.V. show needs to stick to game logic as Pikachus attacks should not be able to affect ground monsters no matter how strong it is. I can still remember that episode where Pikachu and Swellow beat solrock and Lunatone with some of the stupidest logic I have ever seen. Man the show needs some serious help to save its ship from sinking.
I know I was like ' Swellows gonna faint, birds are weak to Electricity, moron" But then it worked, and I own my bro a buck. I was speechless, and then Ash loess to an early gym leader in Shinou. Another point is the one about the old Pokémon. How can anyone who says there that passinate when it comes to his Pokémon just leave them like that. I though Bayleef would kill Ash for leaving it and talking Pikachu. I would have been angry, it`s like a slap in the face. It`s an outrage, it deserves better. *Takes a minute to calm down*
Ok, im good now, but yeah all that to say i agree with you
PokemonBoy2106
09-11-2007, 10:27 AM
heck yeah, I'm hearin' ya all bros and sis' they need to do spin-offs like an interactive battle tournament where people can go online and vote for they're dream battles. also if Ash wants to become the master trainer, how come he doesn't try catching legendaries, he'd pwn Brawly with Mewtwo!
Stubby Boardman
09-11-2007, 11:32 AM
u know how hard to catch a legendary in real life would be
Dreamerboi
09-14-2007, 05:44 PM
Personally I Kinda Disapointed He Taking Try After Try, Least Before His Experiance Actually Showed, I Always Find After Say The Odd Rematch, But Losing Twice Is Taking A Step Back On The Series In Which I Seen Over The Years. I Kind Of Find It Boring If He Taking On The Same Leader Again And Again In Such A Weak Pace.
Jirachicatcher
09-16-2007, 03:26 PM
Why does Ash even catch pokemon if in the next region he nevers uses them.
AshMistyMayfan
09-19-2007, 04:59 PM
Read the title I mean, he used to win almost every battle, now he loses a lot, last season he almost never beat the Battle Pyramaid, and it took him 3 tries to be the Orebough gym, I mean he beats most of his gyms, used to. For someone with so much experience, they've made him so much crappier...
Do you agree?
No. Pokemon at times is like a football or baseball game. The gym leaders Ash is fighting in Shinou are very good, well coached trainers, and their Pokemon are like the opposing team players you'll be up against. You got to get a lead and hold on to it to win. When Ash took on Roark, he copied what Paul was doing in sending up Pikachu, Aipom, and Turtwig. Then Ash chose other Pokemon in his Gardenia battle (won't spoil). They should have Ash obviously catching many other Pokemon, but a show like Pokemon is setting a theme like an impossible team can win if it's well coached. That's why in the NFL, 49ers, Texans are 2 and 0, the impossible teams.
Ash's team is like that of a coach getting 'free agent' players onto the team and a new scheme is developed. Ash had Kanto, Johto, and HOenn players. Now he has Shinou players. Don't forget in Ash's 2nd battle with Roark, he saw what Rampardos was doing with the flamethrower as it created 'an ash fog' with the burning razor leaves, so Ash thought of the camaflouge to hide Turtwig, then fooled Roark when Turtwig somersaulted underneath when Rampardos jumped above.
TatankaToT
09-20-2007, 01:12 AM
what pisses me off is that he starts over ever every time. I mean Snorlax/Charizard would have owned Roark. I know it's a tv series, but still. And pikachu goes from beating Regice, to losing to an elekid. An Elekid!!!!! at least make that part consistent. just because ash starts over doesnt mean Pikachu has too, he should be Ash's ace in the hole every battle, I'd buy that.
Let's face it, Ash isn't a very smart or bright trainer. If he was, he'd bring along his stronger pokes as support to help his new ones learn things faster and grow stronger. He'd pretty much OCV any and all opponents he faced.
Yet, he is a rather dumb trainer and does dumb things all the time really. Which does make the show rather dull. I mean, if they were to concentrate on building side characters stories more. It may be interesting. Show him train his pokemon and all that would be good as well. It would at least give you something to watch. ON TOP OF THAT! He could even help out Dawn with her contest routine because well...HE WAS WITH MAY FOR HOW LONG!? xD!!! You'd figure he'd at least tell her about all that and give her some tips on what he saw. It would add a bit more depth in my opinion.
I really dislike how they make Pikachu pretty much level 1 at the start of every season. He should be beating all these other pokes with little or no problems at all. Yet, it all falls back on Ash being a dumb trainer. :?
Yeah though, I'd really wish they'd find something different to concentrate on to make the storyline at least somewhat interesting.
YGTBK
09-20-2007, 02:53 AM
I misses May. <3
Dummmmm...
Why isnt Pikachu OHKOing all pokemon?
If possible, Pikachu would be like 261.:rolleyes:
Gallade12
09-20-2007, 04:16 AM
You mean, like Level 261?
skate4242
09-20-2007, 04:18 AM
Read the title I mean, he used to win almost every battle, now he loses a lot, last season he almost never beat the Battle Pyramaid, and it took him 3 tries to be the Orebough gym, I mean he beats most of his gyms, used to. For someone with so much experience, they've made him so much crappier...
Do you agree?
yeaa dude your right i think he should take along some of his other pokemon with him atleast you know?
Shadow Eevee
09-21-2007, 11:23 PM
Yes they are. It's like he's walking through a region BLINDFOLDED. I've hated him since day 1. SET UP YOUR ALARM CLOCK!
Honestly, every episode is the same, except, new Pokemon.
Professor Geoffrey
09-21-2007, 11:27 PM
Definitely. He's, what, twelve or thirteen years old (it was sort of confirmed in the third movie short that he was eleven, becuase he got Pikachu after he was 10, and it was an anniversary), and he says something childish.
"Aipom, I need that Starly to get Pikachu, so I need your help!" Ugh. Lame. He's related to Dora, I swear. Except, Dora has a Mankey with boots on. :tongue:
CHARZIARD
09-21-2007, 11:39 PM
i skipped the rest of u guys after the 5th my opion non goods.i agree.HE COULD OF BROUGH HIS GOOD POKEMON AND BE BETTER BUT no.so i agree with u:sleepy:and that dora thing is serously funny lol:crackup:
DragoniteMistress
09-22-2007, 03:20 PM
Let's face it, Ash isn't a very smart or bright trainer. If he was, he'd bring along his stronger pokes as support to help his new ones learn things faster and grow stronger. He'd pretty much OCV any and all opponents he faced.
Yet, he is a rather dumb trainer and does dumb things all the time really. Which does make the show rather dull. I mean, if they were to concentrate on building side characters stories more. It may be interesting. Show him train his pokemon and all that would be good as well. It would at least give you something to watch. ON TOP OF THAT! He could even help out Dawn with her contest routine because well...HE WAS WITH MAY FOR HOW LONG!? xD!!! You'd figure he'd at least tell her about all that and give her some tips on what he saw. It would add a bit more depth in my opinion.
I really dislike how they make Pikachu pretty much level 1 at the start of every season. He should be beating all these other pokes with little or no problems at all. Yet, it all falls back on Ash being a dumb trainer. :?
Yeah though, I'd really wish they'd find something different to concentrate on to make the storyline at least somewhat interesting.
No. Just no.
If Satoshi were to tag along all of his powerful, high-leveled Pokemon, then I can guarantee you now that you'd be complaining of how powerful Satoshi is, and how Nintendo needs to have him lose every now and then. With each season premiere that simultaneously introduces a region, Satoshi always starts over with Pikachu to go through the new region as a "rookie" so-to speak. That also means (somehow) that Pikachu will be starting over too, in a way. The loss to Shinji's Elekid only makes sense. If I recall correctly, Elekid has been Shinji's partner for nearly as long as Satoshi and Pikachu. Please also take note that they are both Electric-types, and both relatively weak Pokemon. Shinji's harsh training, imo, makes his Pokemon more determined to win than Satoshi's, "Have faith in yourself, I believe in you!" little chant. Yet of course it's going to be vice versa, and in the end will probably be much like Gold vs. Silver in the game.
With each new region brings a new female protagonist, and that just always seems to bring out the rookie in Satoshi.
Shuricel
09-22-2007, 04:20 PM
Yeah, it gets annoying how weak he gets at the beginning of every new region. It. Makes. No. Sense.
Also, another thing that annoys me about Ash is he complains about Paul releasing pokemon, but isn't what he's doing worse?
He goes 'Z0MG I LUFF MY POKEMON!' But whenever he goes to a new region, he sticks them into the lab to rot, and he never sees them again. If I were one of his pokemon, I'd get pretty annoyed. Is 'love' trapping your pokemon in a lab like some sort of criminal?
Also, he's 'abandoned' pokemon. Remember when he realeased Pidgeot? HE PROMISED HE'D COME BACK FOR IT! About 5 seasons later, HE HASN'T CAME BACK FOR IT! What's that called? ABANDONING, kids.
Yes, a good plotline would be nice for the series. And by plotline, I don't mean 'ZOMG! Teh two episodes tie into eachother!' I mean something that has a plotline that spans throughout the series like FullMetal Alchemist or Avatar.
Wow....this post got really offtopic.
Anyway, I think it's really stupid how Ash randomly turned into some newbie trainer. He's been a trainer for what, four years? And Hikari sometimes knows more about battle strategy then him. It's just sad...if I didn't know better, I'd say something like the following happened:
Ash: Lalalala...going to Shinoh..lalalala.....
Palkia and Dialga randomly appear: ROAAR! *experience wipe* *randomly dissapear*
Ash: ZOMG! A POKEMON! LETS LYKE CATCH IT!
Me: Well...that explains it.
AshMistyMayfan
09-22-2007, 06:13 PM
Let's look at Dawn: IN the Roark episode, she openly suggested to Ash to call up Prof. Oak and send his Pokemon. But Ash told Dawn about the confidence in his team. People, it's like that in football when I see the 49ers. I still got hope that Alex Smith is going to have a breakout game because of his stats with Utah, which means I don't give up just like Ash won't give up on his team. The impossible can happen in Pokemon as in Ash can win when you expect him to lose, or he could lose when you expect him to win. But in these gym battles, do you want Ash to easily crusade over the leaders or do you want him to challenge them? I want a challenge out of it.
Dreamerboi
09-22-2007, 08:59 PM
Let's look at Dawn: IN the Roark episode, she openly suggested to Ash to call up Prof. Oak and send his Pokemon. But Ash told Dawn about the confidence in his team. People, it's like that in football when I see the 49ers. I still got hope that Alex Smith is going to have a breakout game because of his stats with Utah, which means I don't give up just like Ash won't give up on his team. The impossible can happen in Pokemon as in Ash can win when you expect him to lose, or he could lose when you expect him to win. But in these gym battles, do you want Ash to easily crusade over the leaders or do you want him to challenge them? I want a challenge out of it.
now that some arguement, i can't match that :crackup: anyways in a way i guess your right, but i completely changing my opinion on the whole idea so stop it hehe :tongue: anyways in a way yes ash never give up but i just find it silly that he gone back to step one near enough, i mean he got better in johto and better in hoenn and stronger in battle frontier however he did bring in his old team for some battles but still i don't see why he gone from this trainer that got experiance to a complete numpty of a rookie, if you see what i saying, surely his experiance has got to come as a strength of his in sinnoh but it dosen't. :ermm:
Shuricel
09-23-2007, 01:27 AM
Agreed. It just gets annoying when he does dumb things like pitting a pikachu agaisnt an onix.
http://i17.tinypic.com/67st75h.png
Poltergeist
09-23-2007, 02:12 AM
Let's look at Dawn: IN the Roark episode, she openly suggested to Ash to call up Prof. Oak and send his Pokemon. But Ash told Dawn about the confidence in his team. People, it's like that in football when I see the 49ers. I still got hope that Alex Smith is going to have a breakout game because of his stats with Utah, which means I don't give up just like Ash won't give up on his team. The impossible can happen in Pokemon as in Ash can win when you expect him to lose, or he could lose when you expect him to win. But in these gym battles, do you want Ash to easily crusade over the leaders or do you want him to challenge them? I want a challenge out of it.
Yeah thats the right train of thought going, send the rookie into the fray and hope to god he doesn't get squashed! Looks its not like I expect ash's old Pokes to always be their to get his new pokes out of a jam, his new ones need to be able to one day stand on their own but they don't automatically pwn off the bat and thus they should see Ash's pokemon once in a while fight to see how its done. In baseball if the pitcher is doing bad do they go "Don't worry I believe in you!" NO he'll usually get pulled for someone better. Also the gym leaders are exceptional leaders picked to defend their gym no matter the pokemon and thus even the old pokemon would still not need to slack off and still have to give it their best. Also bringing an electric rodent to a rock gym where two of the pokes are part ground? Come on ash you can do better then that!
maddiesapphire
09-23-2007, 02:48 AM
I wish that he was more like he was in the first season
JentleViolence
09-23-2007, 04:06 AM
I know this is awkward, but I have to say that I love the title. XD
Anyway, if they didn't make Ash a newbie trainer at the beginning of the series, he would simply wipe out all the other trainer and gym leaders like a wave crushes unknowing surfers. You want him to have that challenge, or else every episode would be boring. That's why the writers reset his knowledge every time he enters the region.
Or, they could give his character very little knowledge so that the new people coming to Pokemon can understand it better. Can you imagine being new to Pokemon and having to learn the basics, which is complex if you are new at Pokemon anyway? The writers are inviting more people to Pokemon.
If it's not any of those two reasons, then Ash must be getting stupider as he tumbles down his adventure. XD
The comical part of me says that Ash "sucks" because of the latter reason.
DarkGardevoir
09-23-2007, 08:18 AM
One thing I don't understand quite. They're making Ash restart each region? Then, just don't make him bring Pikachu, or at least don't make him battle. Like Paul( i know, not the best person to compare with). Paul may be the jackass he is, but he rarely uses Elekid or Torterra, while he tries his best using his weaker pokemon, Chimchar.
The fact that Pikachu suddenly gets stupid is just annoying.
Monkey Boy
09-23-2007, 02:45 PM
Yeah...
Pikachu should be able to murder any Pokemon it sees, even without Juno-like Powers.
I also agree with people about the whole Team Rocket thing.
In the first Region thing, they were actually part of an organization, with somewhat large plans. That added interest.
Now, all they do is try to catch Pikachu.
EDIT: If some of my stuff seems outdated, it's because I stopped watching it halfway through Advance.
Yeah Pikachu should Murder any pokemon it sees and if it was back to level 5 It woudnt know Iron Tail
Team rocket Ran out of ideas they arent funny anymore and whats wrong with team rcoket cathing there own pokemon
Why does ash have to stop that from cathing WILD POKEMON?
Of course, his Pikachu was obviously his starter. Most people have a level 50 + Starter by the end of the game. He's finished 3 regions and the Battle Frontier. What level is Pikachu by now? 3000? How does it lose to Roark? If his Cranidos just evolved, it should be level 30. How does Ash's Pikachu, who is like God's little brother, lose to a level 30 anything?
Freddy Fro
09-23-2007, 05:56 PM
Of course, his Pikachu was obviously his starter. Most people have a level 50 + Starter by the end of the game. He's finished 3 regions and the Battle Frontier. What level is Pikachu by now? 3000? How does it lose to Roark? If his Cranidos just evolved, it should be level 30. How does Ash's Pikachu, who is like God's little brother, lose to a level 30 anything?
Ah the question that killed a thousand scientists :D
Fro~
Skunktank Rulz
09-23-2007, 06:36 PM
we also have to understand that part of all his earliar sucess had to do with his pokemon. give it a few more gyms later and he'll be back to his normal winning self.
Lord Khajmer
09-27-2007, 12:52 AM
They're Making Ash Suck
And this is news to you how? Ash has always sucked. It's just that now he sucks worse. I didn't even think that was possible.
Flygon Ruler
09-27-2007, 05:18 AM
No offense to any ash lovers, but ash is a total loser. Who the hell doesn't evolve their pikachu? And then right when he gets some good pokemon he releases them! WTF! (Pidgeot, Lapras) He almost released Pikachu (good ridence).
I agree, that Ash is turning out to be pretty stupid. How does he lose to Paul? Paul is a total Noob. I can't stand ash's new voice. Its so irritating.
If aipom doesn't evolve, I'm gonna scream! I really hope he finally decides to evolve his pokemon to their final stage this time around. has he beaten Gardenia in japan yet?
Lusitania
09-27-2007, 08:23 PM
Of course, his Pikachu was obviously his starter. Most people have a level 50 + Starter by the end of the game. He's finished 3 regions and the Battle Frontier. What level is Pikachu by now? 3000? How does it lose to Roark? If his Cranidos just evolved, it should be level 30. How does Ash's Pikachu, who is like God's little brother, lose to a level 30 anything?
I have an answer. Because there's a tye disadvantage, but NOOOOO. The idiot editors and people think that it will be "fun" and "interesting" to see a level four hundred eighty-seven thousand, two hundred ninty eight lose to a level 31 ground type, even though it's Iron Tail, and other attacks can whip ass, while they use moves that shouldn't even effect it.
Ash: Uhh, this won't effect, but, Pikachu, use Thundershock!
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