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Demon_Shiron
03-08-2005, 01:24 PM
When you meet Ash in G/S/C, how come he doesn't talk? Actually, he doesn't talk for any of the times you talk to him or beat him (I've beaten him like 20 times).

thepokingmaster123
03-08-2005, 07:15 PM
Idunno...
I wondered about that myself, and after battling him 100 times, realised that thats not gonna help

Zenaku
03-09-2005, 05:11 PM
He does not speak because he is a former main Character. Main game characters rarely ever speak, and since Red never spoke in RBY when you played as him they decided not to have him speak when you battle him either.

He's made out to be the strong, silent type.

paperfairy
03-09-2005, 06:10 PM
There is a sailor on the SS Anne that says that you in RBY. Right when you enter, turn left and talk to this guy. He's says you're the strong silent type.

-PF

Thoughts: ...

thepokingmaster123
03-09-2005, 10:01 PM
There is a sailor on the SS Anne that says that you in RBY. Right when you enter, turn left and talk to this guy. He's says you're the strong silent type.

Acually, it was a bartender. I think the exact quote was "Oh, le strong, silent type?". Wow, how stereotypical to the french. Oh well. If you want to see him, hes rite next to the entrance to the SS anne.

nicoleb
03-09-2005, 10:27 PM
When you meet Ash in G/S/C, how come he doesn't talk? Actually, he doesn't talk for any of the times you talk to him or beat him (I've beaten him like 20 times).
He has spoken before. To COPPYCAT in RBY. Everyone seems to talk to her for some reason. >< But when you meet him in RBY, he probably doesn't say anything because there isn't any real need to. The two CHAMPIONs battle, the winner is the ultermite trainer. Both of them would know that. When you beat him, he was either too upset to say anything (refaring to the freakin ASH on the TV show who cries just because he loses ONE match), or he just didn't think that there was any point in saying anything, since you'd already beaten him.

Demon_Shiron
03-10-2005, 01:03 PM
But he even did that when I first clicked on him... :ermm:

thepokingmaster123
03-11-2005, 03:06 AM
ok... one more time

HE WILL ALWAYS NOT TALK TO YOU, no matter what sircumstance. end of story.

nicoleb
03-11-2005, 06:07 AM
But he even did that when I first clicked on him... :ermm:
When you walk up to him, all he says is "..."? Don't worry, it's normal. -_- He tends to do that on the N64 release, Pokemon Stadium 2 (3), too. It's very annoying... >< You'd think they would have taken the time to add more expretions to his sprite, like they did in the rest of the Stadium 2 sprites.

Loyal Arcanine
03-12-2005, 04:36 PM
Ash has gone through plenty of things. He's seen the whole Kanto-world and has been the League Champion. He doesn't have to talk, he has already reached everything. Now, he's not the best anymore (that's supposed to be you) and he disappears. He has nothing to say, and he doesn't have too. I think Lance's quote when you beat him would be more appropriate here, but of course, then he would have talked.

There is no need for words now.

Orange_Flaaffy
03-15-2005, 06:03 PM
Ah yes, poor Ash. I think he was too sad to speak. Think about it, being the best in the world for so long and then having that title ripped from your still beating heart...

nicoleb
03-15-2005, 06:22 PM
Ah yes, poor Ash. I think he was too sad to speak. Think about it, being the best in the world for so long and then having that title ripped from your still beating heart...
Dude, this is Ash we're talking about. The guy who cries just because he loses half way through a common Pokemon League, or to a common Gym Leader like Brawly. -_- Someone who's been training for 4 years, and only has about 30 Pokemon in total, and hasn't even won one lousy Pokemon League. Not counting the Orange League, because Drake was only ONE person. It shouldn't even be called a league.

Ash would put his hat down to cover his eyes, and sob, Kenta (GSC Hero), or Marina (C Hero), whoever you go with, would say; "it's okay, Ash (Red)." Ash would say; "WAH!!!!!!!!!" and run off like a little baby. I can picture it all now. He has to learn how to take defeat more maturely!

Orange_Flaaffy
03-15-2005, 06:39 PM
Well, if he did become the best in the world you have to admit it would be pretty hard for him to hear 'You're past your prime guy, go home." Still I have a hard time picturing a teenage Ash :oops:

Marth
03-15-2005, 08:02 PM
The main characters in most games rarely speak. The main reason is that, in fact, YOU are the main character, and if that character speaks something, IT'S NOT your decition. When a character speaks, they give you a choice (usually 2 or 3), giving the gameplayer the feeling "he/she spoke", not the character.
For example, Ryu in Breath of Fire, Chrono in Chrono Trigger, Ash on Pokémon... there are a lot of examples.
However, I have my own theory about this un-spoken character.
Ash used to be a happy, cheerful trainer. After 3 years passed, he retired to solitude to become even stronger.
There is no need to say anything, he knows why you are there.
I don't remember well, but her Mother says something about him changing in Pallet Town.
Marth.

nicoleb
03-16-2005, 05:39 AM
Well, if he did become the best in the world you have to admit it would be pretty hard for him to hear 'You're past your prime guy, go home." Still I have a hard time picturing a teenage Ash :oops:
That sounds more like something the GSC rival (Kamon) would say. Kenta or Marina would be supporting, probably...

Demon_Shiron
03-16-2005, 03:23 PM
Ash has gone through plenty of things. He's seen the whole Kanto-world and has been the League Champion. He doesn't have to talk, he has already reached everything. Now, he's not the best anymore (that's supposed to be you) and he disappears. He has nothing to say, and he doesn't have too. I think Lance's quote when you beat him would be more appropriate here, but of course, then he would have talked.
If you want to face him again you have to beat the Poke'mon League.

Demon_Shiron
03-16-2005, 03:27 PM
Dude, this is Ash we're talking about. The guy who cries just because he loses half way through a common Pokemon League, or to a common Gym Leader like Brawly. -_- Someone who's been training for 4 years, and only has about 30 Pokemon in total, and hasn't even won one lousy Pokemon League. Not counting the Orange League, because Drake was only ONE person. It shouldn't even be called a league.

Ash would put his hat down to cover his eyes, and sob, Kenta (GSC Hero), or Marina (C Hero), whoever you go with, would say; "it's okay, Ash (Red)." Ash would say; "WAH!!!!!!!!!" and run off like a little baby. I can picture it all now. He has to learn how to take defeat more maturely!
You've got a point. If you ever watch the show and he loses the he gets all depressed. Even if it's someone with a Gyrados, which can easily be beaten by Pikachu.

absol2005
03-21-2005, 03:20 PM
he probably doesnt speak because of his wounds

Alakazam
03-23-2005, 08:13 PM
he probably doesnt speak because of his wounds

Wounds? What wounds?

absol2005
03-23-2005, 11:35 PM
Wounds? What wounds?

i discovered that this game has more to do with manga than anime.
in the gsc series, red(or ash)suffers from injuries on his wrists due to the ice cuffs from lorelei(see yellow and gsc series)and green(or gary)lent his charizard to red for him to go to mt. silver(blue also lent her blastoise).

for manga go to www .serebii.net

thepokingmaster123
03-24-2005, 11:25 PM
loreli's cuffs?? do tell more...

absol2005
03-24-2005, 11:41 PM
loreli's cuffs?? do tell more...
ice cuffs

thepokingmaster123
03-25-2005, 04:33 PM
still... loreli put ice cuffs on Ash??? can I get a story overview??

nicoleb
03-28-2005, 12:52 AM
Go to:

http://www.serebii.net/manga/chapter.shtml

There are chapter guides there. ^_^ The Yellow series is chapters 41-90.

The Elite Four (Lorii, Bruno, Agatha, and Lance) are evil. When they were younger, Lance's Dratini and Lorrii's Seel (they weren't together when it happened) died of polution. That made them both hate humans (because the polution was from a industrile factery). Lance (or Agatha) brainwashed Bruno, I think, into hating humans, too. As for Agatha, I have no idea what her reason is. Nor do I know if she's good now. Lance, Lorrii, and Bruno all become good (Lance in the GSC Saga, Lorrii in the FR&LG Saga, and Bruno just near the end of the Y Saga).

The Elite Four's goal was to destroy humanity. But Yellow stopped them, with the help of the retired Team Rocket Gym Leaders, and the other heroes (and Bill).

Blue and Sabrina VS. Lorrii

Green and Kaga VS. Agatha

Bill (was meant to be Red, but he wasn't around at the start of the battle) and Lt. Surge VS Bruno (Red comes in later to help Bill and Lt. Surge)

Yellow and Blaine VS Lance (Giovanni comes in later to "stop" (kill) Lance)

Here is a good picture of the teams from TK. Special. Red and Giovanni aren't in it, though:

http://www.pokespecial.com/images/villains/elitefour/grpagel4.jpg

So, yeah. I don't think the Elite Four is THAT bad. They're only destroying humanity so that Pokemon can live in harmony without the threats of humans. (Lance and Lorrii are, anyway).

Lorrii freezes Red when he is ganged up on by her, Bruno, and Agatha because he refuses to join the Elite Four. He has to reach the hot springs in Mt. Silver to help his wounds. (Giovanni saved Red from the ice just before he went off to face Lance).

Another important note: Lance has the ability to heal Pokemon. Also to read their minds and speak to them psychicly. Yellow isn't a very good battler, but she was chosen to stop Lance because she has the same ability as he does. Thus, been one of the only ones who can stop him.

Yes... I'm a Manga Lance fan, and damn proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope that helped. ^_^

Anyways, I doubt Red was silent because of the wounds. >_< Because the Elite Four is good (ER) in the games, and wouldn't have frozen him. O_o;;

absol2005
03-29-2005, 09:34 PM
Go to:

http://www.serebii.net/manga/chapter.shtml

There are chapter guides there. ^_^ The Yellow series is chapters 41-90.

The Elite Four (Lorii, Bruno, Agatha, and Lance) are evil. When they were younger, Lance's Dratini and Lorrii's Seel (they weren't together when it happened) died of polution. That made them both hate humans (because the polution was from a industrile factery). Lance (or Agatha) brainwashed Bruno, I think, into hating humans, too. As for Agatha, I have no idea what her reason is. Nor do I know if she's good now. Lance, Lorrii, and Bruno all become good (Lance in the GSC Saga, Lorrii in the FR&LG Saga, and Bruno just near the end of the Y Saga).

The Elite Four's goal was to destroy humanity. But Yellow stopped them, with the help of the retired Team Rocket Gym Leaders, and the other heroes (and Bill).

Blue and Sabrina VS. Lorrii

Green and Kaga VS. Agatha

Bill (was meant to be Red, but he wasn't around at the start of the battle) and Lt. Surge VS Bruno (Red comes in later to help Bill and Lt. Surge)

Yellow and Blaine VS Lance (Giovanni comes in later to "stop" (kill) Lance)

Here is a good picture of the teams from TK. Special. Red and Giovanni aren't in it, though:

http://www.pokespecial.com/images/villains/elitefour/grpagel4.jpg

So, yeah. I don't think the Elite Four is THAT bad. They're only destroying humanity so that Pokemon can live in harmony without the threats of humans. (Lance and Lorrii are, anyway).

Lorrii freezes Red when he is ganged up on by her, Bruno, and Agatha because he refuses to join the Elite Four. He has to reach the hot springs in Mt. Silver to help his wounds. (Giovanni saved Red from the ice just before he went off to face Lance).

Another important note: Lance has the ability to heal Pokemon. Also to read their minds and speak to them psychicly. Yellow isn't a very good battler, but she was chosen to stop Lance because she has the same ability as he does. Thus, been one of the only ones who can stop him.

Yes... I'm a Manga Lance fan, and damn proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope that helped. ^_^

Anyways, I doubt Red was silent because of the wounds. >_< Because the Elite Four is good (ER) in the games, and wouldn't have frozen him. O_o;;

thank you for the explanation nicoleb

nicoleb
03-29-2005, 10:32 PM
You're welcome. ^_^

thepokingmaster123
03-29-2005, 11:56 PM
yea, thanx!! I was a bit confused... :oops:

nicoleb
03-30-2005, 03:27 AM
You're welcome, too, thepokingmaster123. ^_^

Yeah, the Manga can be very confusing at times! >_<

absol2005
03-30-2005, 05:55 PM
just one thing, nicoleb, how do you know that lorelei turns good in FRLG series

Pierre25
03-31-2005, 12:21 AM
We really don't know.

nicoleb
03-31-2005, 02:38 AM
Well, I'm just assuming. She comes back in the FR&LG Saga, and she doesn't attack Red, Green, and Blue, she travels with them, I think. Not sure, though. I read it off:

http://netkun.com/pockemon/

And my Japanese is terrible, and my HTML is even worse, considering I can only reconize one word. "Nanashi". ^_^

I didn't really like Lorrii or Agatha in the Y Saga, since they kissed Lance's a*s non-stop. -_- But she's probably better in the FR&LG Saga. Not that there's anything wrong with liking Lance. ^O^

So, anyways, I'm pretty sure she becomes good. Here's a pic:

"We're "wanted"?!"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Lorrii.bmp

Bruno and Koga in the GSC Saga:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Bruno_and_Koga.bmp

Here are some pics from the Yellow Saga:

Lance being hot:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Lance_is_hot.bmp

Giovanni wins the fight... Um... Yay?:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Lance_Giovanni.bmp

Lance stroking his Dragonite:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Lance_Dragonite.bmp

Lance and Yellow fighting:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Lance_and_Yellow.bmp

Lance in his childhood:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Young_Lance.bmp

From the GSC Saga, Silver yalling at Lance. ^_^:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Lance_Silver.bmp

I think this is Red with the ice cuffs. I'm not sure, though...:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Red_with_ice_cuffs.bmp

Another one from the GSC Saga. I transelatted it ruffly. But my Japanese sucks, so don't think that any of it would be right. (It's more like "guessing" than "transelatting":

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Silver_Lance.bmp

The quolaty isn't very good on that, either, sorry. ^^ God... I've typed a lot, huh? Don't ever ask me for an explernation if you're in a hurry, that's for sure! O_O

Demon_Shiron
04-07-2005, 07:24 PM
Go to:

http://www.serebii.net/manga/chapter.shtml

There are chapter guides there. ^_^ The Yellow series is chapters 41-90.

The Elite Four (Lorii, Bruno, Agatha, and Lance) are evil. When they were younger, Lance's Dratini and Lorrii's Seel (they weren't together when it happened) died of polution. That made them both hate humans (because the polution was from a industrile factery). Lance (or Agatha) brainwashed Bruno, I think, into hating humans, too. As for Agatha, I have no idea what her reason is. Nor do I know if she's good now. Lance, Lorrii, and Bruno all become good (Lance in the GSC Saga, Lorrii in the FR&LG Saga, and Bruno just near the end of the Y Saga).

The Elite Four's goal was to destroy humanity. But Yellow stopped them, with the help of the retired Team Rocket Gym Leaders, and the other heroes (and Bill).

Blue and Sabrina VS. Lorrii

Green and Kaga VS. Agatha

Bill (was meant to be Red, but he wasn't around at the start of the battle) and Lt. Surge VS Bruno (Red comes in later to help Bill and Lt. Surge)

Yellow and Blaine VS Lance (Giovanni comes in later to "stop" (kill) Lance)

Here is a good picture of the teams from TK. Special. Red and Giovanni aren't in it, though:

http://www.pokespecial.com/images/villains/elitefour/grpagel4.jpg

So, yeah. I don't think the Elite Four is THAT bad. They're only destroying humanity so that Pokemon can live in harmony without the threats of humans. (Lance and Lorrii are, anyway).

Lorrii freezes Red when he is ganged up on by her, Bruno, and Agatha because he refuses to join the Elite Four. He has to reach the hot springs in Mt. Silver to help his wounds. (Giovanni saved Red from the ice just before he went off to face Lance).

Another important note: Lance has the ability to heal Pokemon. Also to read their minds and speak to them psychicly. Yellow isn't a very good battler, but she was chosen to stop Lance because she has the same ability as he does. Thus, been one of the only ones who can stop him.

Yes... I'm a Manga Lance fan, and damn proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope that helped. ^_^

Anyways, I doubt Red was silent because of the wounds. >_< Because the Elite Four is good (ER) in the games, and wouldn't have frozen him. O_o;;
Explain this to me: Why the hell would Giovanni save Ash?!

absol2005
04-07-2005, 08:01 PM
because "I WON'T LET ANYONE MESS WITH MY PLAN OF RESSURECTING TR!" lol

nicoleb
04-08-2005, 02:41 AM
because "I WON'T LET ANYONE MESS WITH MY PLAN OF RESSURECTING TR!" lol
LOL! Excactually! ^_^

Demon_Shiron
04-08-2005, 01:11 PM
because "I WON'T LET ANYONE MESS WITH MY PLAN OF RESSURECTING TR!" lol
Is TR Team Rocket?

absol2005
04-08-2005, 05:28 PM
yes it is :rolleyes:

!CeMAn
04-15-2005, 02:47 AM
how did it go from "why doesn't RED talk?" 2 THiS?

absol2005
04-15-2005, 06:43 PM
yeah, it came to this. what's the problem? :rolleyes:

nicoleb
04-17-2005, 06:30 AM
Well... Nothin' wrong with a good ol' chat about anything to do with Manga Lance! :P

jozza_90
04-18-2005, 04:29 AM
man i need to get a gba and f/r l/g and all those versions ive missed out on a lot :oops:

Demon_Shiron
04-18-2005, 05:31 PM
Well... Nothin' wrong with a good ol' chat about anything to do with Manga Lance! :P
I'm startin' to think that there's a group of people(including me) that tend to chang subjects.

nicoleb
04-19-2005, 04:00 AM
I'm startin' to think that there's a group of people(including me) that tend to chang subjects.
It's fun, eh? ^_^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Hot_Lance.jpg

What were we all talkin' about oridinally, though... Oh! That's right! Red! Great pic of him and Gold together!:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/PokemonSnippet-3.jpg

Demon_Shiron
04-19-2005, 05:00 PM
It's fun, eh? ^_^

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/Hot_Lance.jpg

What were we all talkin' about oridinally, though... Oh! That's right! Red! Great pic of him and Gold together!:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/wataruisreallyhot/PokemonSnippet-3.jpg
It kinda is fun, I guess. But sometimes it can be annoying...

!CeMAn
04-20-2005, 08:56 PM
:rolleyes: ABSOL, 2 me there's nothing wrong with it. but, from somebody who loves 2 point out any rule violation they can find, shouldn't you know that going off topic is against the rules?
i don't get it... i see people going off topic constantly and having fun; there's nothing wrong with it. yet others get scolded 4 doing it in a 'general chit chat' thread. what's up with THAT?

absol2005
04-20-2005, 09:04 PM
Well, this is still G/S/C conversation.

!CeMAn
04-21-2005, 03:57 AM
point taken, as i hope you took mine :wink: .
digress away!