Colosseum graphics suck

[Ironshell Blastoise]

Come on now, Nintendo. Your biggest franchise and the graphics are barely above N64 level. Give me more lovely cell-shading like Windwaker.

Anyone else think the graphics suck?

[Tamer Marco]

No I think they are pretty good.

[liquid crystal]

Come on now, Nintendo. Your biggest franchise and the graphics are barely above N64 level. Give me more lovely cell-shading like Windwaker.

Anyone else think the graphics suck?

Would you rather still have pixels? Bah...be thankful for whajyuhgot.

[Ironshell Blastoise]

I'd be grateful if Nintendo would take some time with it. Just look at it, its still pixelated and full of POLYGONS! We need more cell shading >.<

[PokeMasterFlabface]

The graphics on Colosseum are alright, but not the best it can be. It would be kind of hard to make all of the Pokemon we have now to be all top quality graphics. That would take a real long time and effort to make them really cool looking. I think Nintendo wanted to make the game come out close to when Ruby and Sapphire did. Waiting too long for a game comes out gets a lot of people mad and makes them stop playing.... just like Halo 2. :cool:

[Tamer Marco]

The graphics on Colosseum are alright, but not the best it can be. It would be kind of hard to make all of the Pokemon we have now to be all top quality graphics. That would take a real long time and effort to make them really cool looking. I think Nintendo wanted to make the game come out close to when Ruby and Sapphire did. Waiting too long for a game comes out gets a lot of people mad and makes them stop playing.... just like Halo 2. :cool: My thoughts exactly. :cool: :wink:

[Ironshell Blastoise]

*ahem*

And thats why everyone waited so long for Wind Waker... Took them some years to make the next Zelda Game, its friggin awesome, and they took their time with it. Nintendo coulda done the same with Colosseum. Do you see any less fans of Zelda just because Nintendo took a long time with it? No. Despite all the controversy of the new graphics, Nintendo pulled through, not only in graphics, but in everything else. They need to stick to quality instead of trying to roll in some quick dough. And they really need to use some new ingenuity and ideas in Colosseum, because they add a little extra but recycle the old game with just a slight touch up. This isn't the first time this has happened. Nintendo makes a big hype about a game, and everyone buys it, many dissappointed because Nintendo decided to get it out quickly ._. Seriously, they need to quit making us spend so much money so we can get all the monsters the "real way". And they depend on Gamecube owners to own GBA, and vice versa. I do have a GBA and Cube, but I'm not about to go buy another damn game just so I can get some more monsters. Hi, Gameshark, Pro Action Replay.

I may have gone a little farther than the Pokemon game there, but I decided I'd point out more of Nintendo's flaws.

[LolJolteonMaster]

Well, how good can pokemon like Swampert and wailord look?

[Shael]

Cell shading may be more complex and all to make the game look like they made more effort, but keep in mind that some people (like me) don't LIKE cell shading =/

I do agree with you that they could've done a bit of improvement =)

[PokeMasterFlabface]

I don't think Nintendo would want Colosseum to come out after the revised Red and Blue come out. I think Nintendo is planning something with releasing Colosseum first and then the revised Red and Blue. And Pokemon is mainly focused on kids, I don't think a lot of kids care if they have good graphics or not. All they know is that its a Pokemon game coming out for Gamecube... so its got to be good. :cool:

[Zenaku]

I agree with Shael, well, mostly anyways. Its not that i hate the idea of cell shading, since they look like cartoons, but then again, i dont like playing cell shading games. I've only played one or two of the Zelda games, and personally, i didnt even think about getting Wind Waker; i think 3D graphics are twice as good as cartoon style. Plus, you must remember; 386 Pokemon, hundreds of AI opponents, each with a diff Team, Story mode, Cups, etc. Colloseum was a lot harder to make in its present state than Zelda: WW was. I know Nintendo could have spent a little extra time smoothing out the graphics, but give them a break; a Team of 10-20 people doing all of that? How fast a game gets completed has nothing to do with rushing or whatever; it depends on how many people help to make the game.

[Mizu]

Nobody seems to get the fact that consoles have limited memory qauntity, if you wanted the WHOLE pokémon colosseum, then it had to be with average graphics, but more options...and it's not about the time v_v

[Shining Arcanine]

You are viewing the graphics via lossy JPEGs or PNGs whose source files were JPEGs rather than PNGs whose source were uncompressed bitmaps. I can't fathom how you can mar the graphics with words when you haven't seen the game perform on a HDTV. It is like seeing a video made for HDTV on analog TV and saying that HDTV's quality is absurd.

A year or two ago I showed a person who said that the XBox's graphics quality is superior to the GCN a screenshot of GCN's graphics as a PNG on his PC's monitor. After that, he said that the GCN's graphics were superior.

Then again you could have imported the japanese version (Nintendo should have a global release date...) and played it on an imported GCN connected to a good quality HDTV. In that case nothing will ever satisfy you as how real can pokemon get without genetically engineering them in a lab?

[Ironshell Blastoise]

Never said I wanted them real, just better.

"And Pokemon is mainly focused on kids, I don't think a lot of kids care if they have good graphics or not. All they know is that its a Pokemon game coming out for Gamecube... so its got to be good."

That statement is sadly true. ;[

And I seriously don't think the GC has that little memory to make them a little less pixelated. Even so, they got enough shiz out, not like they couldn't make an Expansion Pack for the Gamecube. I do believe PS2 got it or is getting their upgrade soon, or so I've heard. Anyone want to prove me right or wrong?

[DoomDesire]

for 386 3D pokemon I think it's a good job. As far as I am concerned It's not a James Bond game or anything so the graphics dont have to look that awesome. For me collesium is suppose to give me some pokemon fun for the few months while I am waiting for FR/LG.

[Shining Arcanine]

Never said I wanted them real, just better.

"And Pokemon is mainly focused on kids, I don't think a lot of kids care if they have good graphics or not. All they know is that its a Pokemon game coming out for Gamecube... so its got to be good."

That statement is sadly true. ;[

And I seriously don't think the GC has that little memory to make them a little less pixelated. Even so, they got enough shiz out, not like they couldn't make an Expansion Pack for the Gamecube. I do believe PS2 got it or is getting their upgrade soon, or so I've heard. Anyone want to prove me right or wrong?

Nintendo makes Pokemon for everyone.

Edit: GCN has an ATI Radeon 8500 while the PS2 has some almost unknown graphics chip. The ATI Radeon 8500's specs can be found here:

http://www.ati.com/products/radeon8500/radeon8500128/specs.html

It is still a very powerful graphics chip today. GCN really doesn't need an expansion card nor does it have the capability to recieve one. PS2 with its inferior graphics solution can use any boost it can get.

for 386 3D pokemon I think it's a good job. As far as I am concerned It's not a James Bond game or anything so the graphics dont have to look that awesome. For me collesium is suppose to give me some pokemon fun for the few months while I am waiting for FR/LG.

They have an actual human being and weapons to base the graphics off of, with pokemon it is slightly difference.

[Jirachi]

I think they are great.This is the first time nintendo put Pokemon from Ruby and Sapphire on the big screen.

[Absol-charmander 13]

I agree with kholdstaire, colosseum's graphics aren't the best. they are kind of choppy. The wind wakers graphics (cel shaded) I thought were absolutely great graphics that was for one of the greatest games. In cel shaded, its clear and you can see all the partical effects. Its really cool, too. I don't know if cel shaded would go with pokemon, but I can't see why not either. All i'm really judging is if the game is going to be the best pokemon game ever (so far), or n0t. I'm sure its going to be a great game, but i don't know about the best pokemon game ever.

[Ironshell Blastoise]

I think they are great.This is the first time nintendo put Pokemon from Ruby and Sapphire on the big screen.

Naw, ya think?

I agree with kholdstaire, colosseum's graphics aren't the best. they are kind of choppy. The wind wakers graphics (cel shaded) I thought were absolutely great graphics that was for one of the greatest games. In cel shaded, its clear and you can see all the partical effects. Its really cool, too. I don't know if cel shaded would go with pokemon, but I can't see why not either. All i'm really judging is if the game is going to be the best pokemon game ever (so far), or n0t. I'm sure its going to be a great game, but i don't know about the best pokemon game ever

Eh, there is no BEST game. The Colosseum/Stadium games will never be the best, because the AI is incredibly stupid, and the rental Pokemon all suck. There is no real RPG elements, and very few strategic elements, other than type choosing, because the movesets the rentals get don't match their stats half the time.

From my time playing RuSa and FrLg, they have lots of good ideas, but its all to complicated for the simple minds that play them. It takes a lot of determination to get the perfect stats, and it doesn't really matter when the kids that play the games think their level 100 Blastoise with Surf, Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, and Blizzard is the best. Thats not strategy, just sheer overpowering stats. The games don't require a lot of skill, just time. Now, playing against other people is where the strategy really comes out. Don't get me wrong, I like the game, but the real challenge is playing against other people. I guess from my time playing online, playing an AI is just too inferior compared to a real person. I wish Nintendo would add difficulty settings when you start your file.

[Neo Pikachu]

Cell shading may be more complex and all to make the game look like they made more effort, but keep in mind that some people (like me) don't LIKE cell shading =/

I do agree with you that they could've done a bit of improvement =)

I really hate the way cell shading is done, I never brought WW because of it. I want games to look as realistic as possible, none of this fake cartoon crap Nintendo keeps throwing in our faces with WW.

And Shining Arcanine is right, JPEG's make great thumbnail pics but not much else besides that. Don't judge the game until you've actually played it.

[Black Knight]

The graphics look pretty good to me!

[GreenF!reR@ge]

Come on now, Nintendo. Your biggest franchise and the graphics are barely above N64 level. Give me more lovely cell-shading like Windwaker.

Anyone else think the graphics suck?
Are you out of your Friggen mind?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! There're great! Maybe thats your oppinon but I think there're great

[Ironshell Blastoise]

Because Nintendo has more 8-12 year olds playing, it only seems fitting to have cartoon-esq type graphics for a game directed towards them. Not only is it clean, but despite what many of you think, cell shading blew my mind when I played it. Don't get me wrong, its not the best form of graphics for a game (Halo still has some of the best graphics for any game...same goes for DOA 3 and Soul Calibur 2). Cel Shading would just be more fitting for this type of game.

[New_York_Groudon]

I agree they :twisted: SUCK BIG TIME :twisted: ! And also i love gmes like this but if Nintedo keeps making games like this well i just might never buy a Colosseum game Again so if nintendo makes Colosseum 2 it should have cell shading or better.

[Ironshell Blastoise]

I personally think Nintendo should try centering Pokemon around a slightly older audience. Make it more serious and less cute. I know plenty of people who would rather see ferocity than cute shizzle. Lots of the munsters would look a lot better if they weren't so "cute". I think Nintendo would do well with directing some of their Pokemon games to an older audience.

[Suicune]

I think the graphics are okay. SOME of the new pokemon are gamecube graphics. In stadium 1 and 2 the graphics were the best on N64. All the pokemon in stadium one and 2 look the exact same and they arent in good gamecube graphics. Rayquaza for example is in gamecube grapghics and looks cool while Exploud looks like crap! I also think the trainers are in HORRID graphics. But I think the colosseums are in tight graphics.

JUST MY OWN OPINION!

[Jirachi]

I got a idea.Lets just stop saying it is bad or it is good and think about your opinon.

[Ironshell Blastoise]

The point of posting is to put out your opinion so people can see what others think.

[Neo Pikachu]

I just got the game today, and I think the graphics are great, its a huge improvement over the Stadium games, even though you don't think so. It's nearly impossible to see jagged edges in the modeling without looking extremely close. And since the camera most of the time pans around the battle from a distance, you'll almost never notice it.

And if you still don't like them, nothing is stopping you from designing your own Pokemon or trainers in 3D. Why don't you whip 3D Studio Max and see if you can do it better? Do that for every Pokemon and trainer fifty times over.

Bottom line, don't complain about it unless you can do it better yourself. That goes with everything in life.

[pokemon fan]

Ok guys calm down about the graphics its not that bad :rolleyes:

[Ironshell Blastoise]

Bottom line, don't complain about it unless you can do it better yourself. That goes with everything in life.

So people who judge gymnastics should be able to do all the flips better than the people competing? And the coaches too? I think not.

And I have the right to complain. If they can put out more than one game with beautiful graphics, they can at least get CLOSE to those graphics in newer released games. Simply, if they can do it once, they can do it again.

[Absol-charmander 13]

Ok, lets settle this. we all have our own opinions, and we have a right to post them. But getting in a arguement over graphics is just dumb. Some people think there good, some people don't. If some people think the graphics are the best in the world, good for them. If some people think they suck, good for them. Some people (like me) think they are ok. Good for them. The main thing is how much fun it is. If you don't think its fun, post it, but if someone wants to start an arguement over how much fun it is, it's stupid. Lets try to respect others opinions instead (that sentence was reall corny). Ok???? (and good for them)

[Raine]

I'm quiet pleased with the graphics. One reason is because I'm a Kyogre fan and Kyogre looks way cooler than Groudon anyways (my opinion ofcourse) and they make groudon almost look ugly on there (I still like Groudon and I wish that he was good). And look at Swampert. It looks way better than on the GBA. It looks cool on there if you ask me. I didn't ever really like Sceptile either but I do now because of Colloseum being released and it looks cool. I went for the quality on my GBA so even though Swampert looks ugly on GBA I still start out with Mudkip. And I like how they kept Blaziken the same because he looks good that way. The only thing I don't like about it is that your partner on there looks to much like Misty (I wish she looked more like May). The graphics aren't all that bad if you ask me. I'm pleased with it because Pokémon that I used to think were ugly don't look ugly on Colloseum. I don't see why you worry about the graphics anyways, the only reason I bought it is for some good Pokémon battles and to get Pokémon like Feraligatr on my Sapphire. I also bought it for the RPG.
I'm gonna say this now:

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RPG, TAKE YOUR GAME BACK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT COLLOSEUM IS ALL ABOUT!

[Ironshell Blastoise]

The Storymode is RPG. The actual Colosseum is just strategy.

[Firestorm]

Mom won't let me have a console that'll let U play pokemon games. Evil momma!:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:

[Paperfairy]

Dude, look at the dates. Don't revive old threads. 9_9

-PF

[rainfall]

heh...i thought collesseum was gonna get bagged on rating by gamespot and similar sites for horrible graphics...cuz honestly it does suck, it doesn't really encourage you to display your poke in "brilliant 3D."

weird thing is...the graphics didn't get rated too low, not in comparison to the average game out there. guess i expected too much.

[tha man rocking tha manl]

People do not revive old threads!This thread was dead for about 3 months!

[Alakazam]

Come on now, Nintendo. Your biggest franchise and the graphics are barely above N64 level. Give me more lovely cell-shading like Windwaker.

Anyone else think the graphics suck?

No, not really, but cell-shading graphics decidedly suck.

[MystiKal]

Oh come on Zam how can you not like Cel-Shading?

[rainfall]

tales of symphonia made use of great cel-shading, imo.

windwaker is an example of how it shouldn't be used.

[MystiKal]

What did you not like about the cel-chading in the Wind Waker?

[Blaziken Trainer]

Well the games graphics suck, but the bettle scene is awesome

[rainfall]

What did you not like about the cel-chading in the Wind Waker?

actually it's not much that i liked. especially that jaggedness which shouldn't be there at all.

the color was pretty dull, imo.

[Paperfairy]

Dude, look at the dates. Don't revive old threads. 9_9

-PF

OMG. I said this LAST year. Come on- let's check the dates people.

But, since you ppl revived it- Cel-Shaded Graphics>all

-PF

Thoughts: :rolleyes:

[Alakazam]

Oh come on Zam how can you not like Cel-Shading?

VT, how can you like cel-shading? It's detestable! It's bright, cartoony, childish, plain....bleh.

[jarachi101]

:cool: theres nothing wrong with the graphics on coloseum! I think there excelent! :happy:

[Firion]

They are good for Pokemon graphics.

[Orange_Flaaffy]

I think the graphics are fine. The way I see it they could have just skipped other the whole idea of making a GC game to began with and then where would we be? Why, having big long debates about why they have not made one of course. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth :oops: