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Outlawed
03-01-2008, 06:21 PM
Posidon (Kingdra) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 124 HP/132 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Rain Dance
- Hidden Power [Electric]
- Surf
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Air-Walker (Bronzong) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP/60 Def/196 SDef
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Gyro Ball
- Hypnosis
- Rain Dance
- Earthquake
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Steel-Traper (Magnezone) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 60 HP/196 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Flash Cannon
- Magnet Rise
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Life Jack (Floatzel) (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 200 HP/116 Atk/100 Def/16 Spd/76 SDef
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Bulk Up
- Crunch
- Ice Fang
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Ludicolo (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Rain Dish
EVs: 192 HP/108 Spd/80 SAtk/128 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Ice Beam
- Leech Seed
- Rain Dance
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Swampy (Swampert) (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 240 HP/200 Def/68 SAtk
Quiet nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Earthquake
- Hydro Pump
- Roar
- Hidden Power [Electric]
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This team is doing extremely well. However, Floatzel is just coming in a fainting away. Not doing what I expected. Kabutops played better. However, I do need a physical attacker, and SD Kabutops is just too hot. Anyother suggestions are welcome.

Fire Away
03-01-2008, 06:30 PM
Bronzong should lead off. Using Kingdra as your lead prepares your opponent one turn earlier for Rain Dance.

IMO this Bronzong works better

Bronzong@Damp Rock
Levitate
Bold
EVs: 252 HP, 152 Sp. Attack, 8 Def, 98 Spd
Hypnosis
Rain Dance
Grass Knot
HP Electric

HP Electric 2HKOs Gyarados, Grass Knot handles Hippowdon/Swampert leads, and Hypnosis lets you sleep leads Bronzong himself can't counter himself. The real advantage is that between Hypnosis and your attacks, you'll be handling most leads that could give RD teams trouble (hi, T-Tar). Also, bewteen Levitate and RD halving fire attacks, he has no true weaknesses.

Also, wow do you need more than one Rain Dancer. With Hippowdon and Tyranitar lurking all over the place, you want as many of your members being able to put it back up on the fly as possible. EDIT: Didn't see that Bronzong has RD too, and while I'm still not convinced that that's enough, I guess I'll let it go

There isn't a cleric that Rapid Spins, except for Smeargle lol

Spongebob Number One Fan
03-01-2008, 06:58 PM
Magnezone will beat this team. It traps your only Rain Dancer and will uncover this team's terrible defenses.

Also for such a stall oriented Ludicolo set I don't know what Hydro Pump is doing on there.

Leman
03-01-2008, 10:13 PM
I'd run Mixvire instead of Physical. Thunder>Bolt as you should have rain all the time. Gyarados doesn't look to helpful. You're already inviting in electrics to come in and hurt you, Gyarados just adds to that. I'd run Dugtrio, as that counters the Magnezone weak you have, and takes care of Abomasnow/T-tar who will try to get rid of your rain. Revenge killing them of course, but working still.

Flygon Ruler
03-01-2008, 10:56 PM
Bronzong makes an excellent rain starter and can easily block most leads with the exception of moltres. Kingdra doesn't make a very impressive lead and will get 2HKO/OHKO'd to most leads, or gives the lead a chance to set up.

Cucumber
03-02-2008, 05:07 AM
this team looks fine but instead of sacrificing kingdra to start why not put bronzong so you can take a hit and use rain dance? Also mix-vire would help instead of physical

Ultima Boss
03-02-2008, 05:55 AM
If you want a Cleric then Roserade has potential. I think she will do good on Rain Dance teams, or all weather teams for that matter. You could try something like this:

http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpffa/dpffa407.png
-Item: Black Sludge
-Nature: Timid
-Ability: Natural Cure
-EVs: 44 HP | 214 SPA | 252 SPE
-Moveset:
Substitute / Leech Seed / Sleep Powder
Leaf Storm / Energy Ball
Weather Ball
Aromatherapy

EVs are set for both Black Sludge minimum threshold and four even Subs, which Black Sludge recovery will allow four Subs and still have HP left over.

Substitute, Leech Seed, or Sleep Powder is up to you; all three can help, really.

Leaf Storm or Energy Ball for initial power, meaning Leaf Storm will wear you down after awhile, but Leaf Storm will hurt big time first turn. Of course, Energy Ball is the alternative for stable Sweeping potential.

Weather Ball is rather obvious, and is one of Roserade's strong points.

I would ditch Kabutops for her. Gyarados does a good job luring Electrics in, and probably will be more of service than Kabutop's redudancy in relation to having both him and Gyarados on your team.

Fire Away
03-02-2008, 06:01 AM
^Meh, definitely go with Energy Ball for that set. It's not nearly as hit-and-run like Choice sets are. Not dropping 2 special attack stages every time you use your STAB attack seems important to me.

Ultima Boss
03-02-2008, 06:19 AM
It's his choice in the end, but, as you said, Leaf Storm will hurt more than help after a turn or two.

Also, on your Bronzong set, Fire Away, you could add Earthquake as an alternative to Hypnosis for Magnezone coverage, as Spongebob addressed. Other than that, go with Fire Away's Bronzong. Doing so, take off 52 Speed EVs or all from Defense and 44 from Speed and put them into Attack for 2 OHKOing Magnezone, counting Leftovers recovery.

http://pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmfa/dpmfa437.png
-Item: Damp Rock
-Nature: Relaxed
-Ability: Levitate
-EVs: 252 HP | 38 DEF | 152 SPA | 68 SPD
-Moveset:
Earthquake
Rain Dance
Grass Knot
Hidden Power [Electric]

Leman
03-02-2008, 02:48 PM
Relaxed, not Bold. D: Magnezone KO's you with Thunderbolt first if you run Bold. D:

Ultima Boss
03-02-2008, 05:33 PM
After doing some calculations, you're right, Leman, Magnezone would have field day with it first. Of course, that's assuming Magnezone maxes out Special Attack with Modest (which has 2 OHKO potential) as opposed to Timid which 3 OHKOs. Not to mention Magnezone would outspeed it any day, which can screw Bronzong if it decides to Magnet Rise.

Thus, I'll change the set I posted to Relaxed, and place all the Attack EVs and eight more into Special Defense to take Modest Magnezone's Thunderbolt to 3 OHKO; with that, I'll take off Speed EVs since it has very little outspeed with 140 Speed and put them into Defense. It doesn't need Attack EVs to kill Magnezone for what Thunderbolt is worth.

Outlawed
03-03-2008, 04:07 PM
After doing some calculations, you're right, Leman, Magnezone would have field day with it first. Of course, that's assuming Magnezone maxes out Special Attack with Modest (which has 2 OHKO potential) as opposed to Timid which 3 OHKOs. Not to mention Magnezone would outspeed it any day, which can screw Bronzong if it decides to Magnet Rise.

Thus, I'll change the set I posted to Relaxed, and place all the Attack EVs and eight more into Special Defense to take Modest Magnezone's Thunderbolt to 3 OHKO; with that, I'll take off Speed EVs since it has very little outspeed with 140 Speed and put them into Defense. It doesn't need Attack EVs to kill Magnezone for what Thunderbolt is worth.
I think Kabutopes isnt really doing anything. I have added a magnezone to this team to deal with pesky steals and trap them. I usually get silly forretress blowing themselves up. Bronzong LEad is misleading truly, However, I get uncomfortable when I see Their Breloom Spore it and then set for Sub-Punch. Kingdra Leads, simple as that. Here is the fixed version, please check it out. *edits*

Spongebob Number One Fan
03-04-2008, 07:17 PM
Out of curiosity what is the point of Magnezone? It's not like Steels really wall STAB Life Orb Surfs attacks in the rain.

Cucumber
03-04-2008, 07:27 PM
There is no point for magnezone here. Most steels wont survive a kingdra with surf(90 power)+stab+Life orb+Rain dance(boos water attacks). Id say a no on the magnezone

Outlawed
03-05-2008, 02:28 AM
There is no point for magnezone here. Most steels wont survive a kingdra with surf(90 power)+stab+Life orb+Rain dance(boos water attacks). Id say a no on the magnezone
Magnezone will be removed and floatzel will also be removed for kabutops. I will continue on leading with kingdra with life orb, Breloom just rapes me ... Also I think I will give that Roselia and that MixZong a try. Thanks for the help and stay around for after-tseting post. Thanks.

charmeleonblaze
03-05-2008, 10:49 PM
Out of curiosity what is the point of Magnezone? It's not like Steels really wall STAB Life Orb Surfs attacks in the rain.

A lot of Pokemon were made for no apparent reason.

briggs93
03-06-2008, 01:02 AM
Scizor @ Quick Claw
Slash
Swords Dance
Giga Impact
X-Scizzors
With great attack already swords dance makes him amazingX-sizzors and slash have great critical hit ratios to improve power even more then.

Snorlax @ Quick Claw
Giga Impact
Hyper Beam
Crunch
Fire Blast
With great HP and only 1 weakness great attack solid Special Attack makes him the perfect start off pokemon in a battle.

Leman
03-06-2008, 01:17 AM
Scizor @ Quick Claw
Slash
Swords Dance
Giga Impact
X-Scizzors
With great attack already swords dance makes him amazingX-sizzors and slash have great critical hit ratios to improve power even more then.

Snorlax @ Quick Claw
Giga Impact
Hyper Beam
Crunch
Fire Blast
With great HP and only 1 weakness great attack solid Special Attack makes him the perfect start off pokemon in a battle.

Both of those sets are pretty pathetic, and neither Pokemon really have no place in an RD team. (Except Scizor to nullify the Fire weakness but there are better choices. =/) Try reading a faq on competitive battling before posting here again. =/

Outlawed
03-06-2008, 04:55 AM
Both of those sets are pretty pathetic, and neither Pokemon really have no place in an RD team. (Except Scizor to nullify the Fire weakness but there are better choices. =/) Try reading a faq on competitive battling before posting here again. =/
Yeah Magnezone doesn't really fit in this. I will redit and please come back and check Azumeril is doing awesome here.