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Master Aqua
04-29-2008, 06:31 PM
Ok an unushall name for a team but here is team shaymin

Gengar
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba094.png
timid
item-=life orb
eves- 252 speed/sp attack
Move set
shadow ball
thunder bolt
focus blast
hypnosis

special attacker of the team and anti rappid spiner pokemon.

Shaymin -duh
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba492.png
modest
item -choice specs
eves- 252 sp attack/speed
Move set
hp fire
seed flare
psychic
rest

such a cute little hedgehog I just wanted to make a team with him in it ^^.

heatran
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba485.png
modest
item- choice scarf
eves 252speed/special attack
Move Set
hp ice
earth power
explosin
flame thrower

When shaymin is threatened by infernape out comes heatran to bring him down with supprsiing effectiveneess

milotic
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpfbsa/dpfbsa350.png
bold
item-leaftovers
evs 148 HP / 228 Def / 132 SpA
Move set
ice beam
surf
recover
hypnosis

electivire
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba466.png
mixvire-not ready yet

a physical attacker for the team. - this pokemon is being changed for a mix attacking version soon.


fortress
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba205.png
relaxed
item- leaftovers
eves- 252 hp/ defence +6 attack
Move set
toxic spikes
explosion
rappid spin
zap cannon

No sereiously zap cannon is innacurate but its usefullness to fortress is amazing when it hits.

Ace Master
04-29-2008, 09:48 PM
Give your Shaymin a Chesto Berry so when you use Rest, you can immediately recover from sleep. What do you mean by "hp fire" and "hp ice"????

your Heatran doesn't look too bad. Only use Explosion when you know Heatran cannot win the fight.

Your Milotic looks fine.

Consider teaching your Electrivire Thunderbolt instead of Thunderpunch IF your Electrivire's Attack is lower than its Special Attack by 20 points or more.

Your Forretress needs work. Get rid of Rapid Spin immediately. Consider teaching it Double-edge or Giga Impact. Get rid of Toxic Spikes if you are going to keep Zap Cannon. Instead, teach it another physical, accurate attack.

Gengar is fine.

Fire Away
04-29-2008, 10:06 PM
Don't lead with Shaymin. It's a surprise that's better left for mid-game. I also don't get why you're switching to Heatran to counter Infernape when he's packing a STAB Close Combat heading your way. :|

Physical Electivire is awful. It can't even OHKO Gliscor with Ice Punch. The special-based Mixed Attacker is his most effective and probably his only useful build.

Electivire@Expert Belt
Mild
EVs: 252 Sp. Attack, 180 Speed, 76 Attack
Thunderbolt
Cross Chop
HP Ice
Flamethrower

Other than that, MixMence seems like it could give you a lot of trouble. Look out for him.

Your Forretress needs work. Get rid of Rapid Spin immediately. Consider teaching it Double-edge or Giga Impact. Get rid of Toxic Spikes if you are going to keep Zap Cannon. Instead, teach it another physical, accurate attack.

The rest of your post seemed fine until this...remove Rapid Spin. Seriously wtf. :|

TacoMan
04-29-2008, 10:10 PM
Give your Shaymin a Chesto Berry so when you use Rest, you can immediately recover from sleep. What do you mean by "hp fire" and "hp ice"????

your Heatran doesn't look too bad. Only use Explosion when you know Heatran cannot win the fight.

Your Milotic looks fine.

Consider teaching your Electrivire Thunderbolt instead of Thunderpunch IF your Electrivire's Attack is lower than its Special Attack by 20 points or more.

Your Forretress needs work. Get rid of Rapid Spin immediately. Consider teaching it Double-edge or Giga Impact. Get rid of Toxic Spikes if you are going to keep Zap Cannon. Instead, teach it another physical, accurate attack.

Gengar is fine.

Ok do not listen to this kid and what I am saying is to this kid not you grevious.
1. Forretres wants rapid spin, hes a utility and physical wall and having double edge or giga impact either drains hp or lets the opponent get an extra turn.

2. Hp is hidden power a move which various on your Iv's to depens on what type of power and type it is.

3.And Shaymin with chesto berry? Its whole point is to special attack not be a sleep varient.

TO GREVIOUS. Every body's move sets and EV's look fine but I would suggest leading with something rather than shaymin maybe gengar or Forretres.

Master Aqua
04-30-2008, 07:21 AM
Don't lead with Shaymin. It's a surprise that's better left for mid-game. I also don't get why you're switching to Heatran to counter Infernape when he's packing a STAB Close Combat heading your way. :|

Physical Electivire is awful. It can't even OHKO Gliscor with Ice Punch. The special-based Mixed Attacker is his most effective and probably his only useful build.

Electivire@Expert Belt
Mild
EVs: 252 Sp. Attack, 180 Speed, 76 Attack
Thunderbolt
Cross Chop
HP Ice
Flamethrower

Other than that, MixMence seems like it could give you a lot of trouble. Look out for him.



The rest of your post seemed fine until this...remove Rapid Spin. Seriously wtf. :|

About the little infernape and shaymin thing, scine infernape is basically gauranteed to hit luittle shaymin with a fire type move the idea is to switch in with choice scarf hearan who will supprise opponents because he will be faster than jolly infernape and will be able to ohko him with earth power scine he speed is booasted to about 379.



i'll take your advice and go for mixnvire insted of a pure physical.

eerie
04-30-2008, 02:53 PM
Ok an unushall name for a team but here is team shaymin

Gengar
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba094.png
timid
item-=life orb
eves- 252 speed/sp attack
Move set
shadow ball
thunder bolt
focus blast
hypnosis

special attacker of the team and anti rappid spiner pokemon.

Seeing you have an IV perfected Shaymin & a Heatran, I assume this is on Shoddy or some other battle simulator. This is outclassed by ScarfGar as a lead, but still a force to be reckoned with
Shaymin -duh
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba492.png
modest
item -choice specs
eves- 252 sp attack/speed
Move set
hp fire
seed flare
psychic
rest

such a cute little hedgehog I just wanted to make a team with him in it ^^.

The best set I can find. :happy:
heatran
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba485.png
modest
item- choice scarf
eves 252speed/special attack
Move Set
hp ice
earth power
explosin
flame thrower

When shaymin is threatened by infernape out comes heatran to bring him down with supprsiing effectiveneess

Good, but be careful. Some people might expect it to be Scarfed & switch to a Flying-type, since Earth Power is predictable.

milotic
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpfbsa/dpfbsa350.png
bold
item-leaftovers
evs 148 HP / 228 Def / 132 SpA
Move set
ice beam
surf
recover
hypnosis

Classic Milotic set. :happy:

electivire
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba466.png
addement
item -life orb
evs 252spee/attack + 6hp
Move set
earthquake
thunder punch
ice punch
cross chop

a physical attacker for the team.

Change this to a MixVire. T-bolt &/or HP Ice is a useful feat. Hasty nature could be worth a shot, too.

fortress
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba205.png
relaxed
item- leaftovers
eves- 252 hp/ defence +6 attack
Move set
toxic spikes
explosion
rappid spin
zap cannon

No sereiously zap cannon is innacurate but its usefullness to fortress is amazing when it hits.

I see little use for Rapid Spin, since none of your team is weak to it. Have Stealth Rock for it to help out Shaymin deal with Fire, Flying, Bug & Ice Pokemon




I am thinking about swaping gengar with shaymin as lead pokemon.

A good team, grevious! :happy:

Master Aqua
04-30-2008, 03:00 PM
A good team, grevious! :happy:

About heatran and shaymin...

heatran was caught via soft restin while modest espreon was in first party slot

shaymin -oaks letter code so the actual shaymin is legit but the method is not wich means semi-legit shaymin

Ace Master
04-30-2008, 09:45 PM
Fireaway, Rapid Spin is a weak move. Sure, it releases the target from Leech Seed and stuff, but its power is only 20....20! Tackle is stronger than rapid spin.

To Tacoman, same thing. Sure, Double-edge and Giga impact have drawbacks, but they are still very powerful. The damage inflicted is worth the risk in some situations, but Rapid Spin is weak.

Shaymin's Chesto Berry cures it from the sleep condition that Rest inflicts. It is an ingenious battle strategy! It recovers your pokemons health and status, and the drawback is destroyed. Trainer with the team, keep that Chesto Berry if your Shaymin is going to keep Rest!

Fire Away
04-30-2008, 10:07 PM
Fireaway, Rapid Spin is a weak move. Sure, it releases the target from Leech Seed and stuff, but its power is only 20....20! Tackle is stronger than rapid spin.

To Tacoman, same thing. Sure, Double-edge and Giga impact have drawbacks, but they are still very powerful. The damage inflicted is worth the risk in some situations, but Rapid Spin is weak.

Shaymin's Chesto Berry cures it from the sleep condition that Rest inflicts. It is an ingenious battle strategy! It recovers your pokemons health and status, and the drawback is destroyed. Trainer with the team, keep that Chesto Berry if your Shaymin is going to keep Rest!

Just stop. :|

The point of Rapid Spin is not and never will be to inflict damage.

Shaymin has Natural Cure. It's a Choice Specs set. You switch in, Rest, and get out.

Ace Master
05-01-2008, 12:18 AM
But Electrivire has pretty good Attack Power. Check the Pokedex (http://pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp) and look up Electivire and look at its stats.

How do you feel?

Fire Away
05-01-2008, 12:49 AM
But Electrivire has pretty good Attack Power. Check the Pokedex (http://pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp) and look up Electivire and look at its stats.

How do you feel?

uhwut lol

I feel fine, thank you.

EDIT: Oh.

Yes, he has a good attack stat. Yet somehow, as a physical attacker, he still fails to impress me. I've tried a physical Electivire. It's just not pleasing. The special-based mixed set is his best bet, and if you look at the RMTs around here, it runs through tons of teams, particularly if he gets a Motor Drive boost.

Ace Master
05-01-2008, 01:44 AM
Do you know what the Electivire's nature and characteristic was/is? that may be why it is weak.

Fire Away
05-01-2008, 01:45 AM
Do you know what the Electivire's nature and characteristic was/is? that may be why it is weak.

:rolleyes:

I used Electivire on Shoddy, where EVs, natures and IVs are all exactly how you want them to be.

It's a weak physical attacker in OU, particularly when held up to things like Garchomp or Mamoswine. It can't even OHKO a wall that is 4x weak to ice with Ice Punch. That's bad. :|

Master Aqua
05-01-2008, 07:13 AM
The max damage with ice punch a max attack electivire with life orb can do against a max defence glicsor is 334 so glicisor survies and ohko's electivire with earthquake.


If you do not belive us psy pokes damage calculator (http://www.psypokes.com/dex/damage.php) says other wise. That should put an end to that arguement.

Finch
05-01-2008, 04:01 PM
Ace Master, sometimes it's wise to just back down when you're totally wrong beyond belief.

Friendly (ahem) advice, nothing more.

Ace Master
05-04-2008, 02:23 AM
Ok do not listen to this kid and what I am saying is to this kid not you grevious.
1. Forretres wants rapid spin, hes a utility and physical wall and having double edge or giga impact either drains hp or lets the opponent get an extra turn.

2. Hp is hidden power a move which various on your Iv's to depens on what type of power and type it is.

3.And Shaymin with chesto berry? Its whole point is to special attack not be a sleep varient.

TO GREVIOUS. Every body's move sets and EV's look fine but I would suggest leading with something rather than shaymin maybe gengar or Forretres.

Shaymin's Chesto berry is used to recover it from the sleep condition that Rest inflicts. As a result, Shaymin recovers its HP and status with no drawback for one use.

Grevious: This kid is actually right about Gengar. Use it first.

TacoMan
05-04-2008, 02:49 AM
Shaymin's Chesto berry is used to recover it from the sleep condition that Rest inflicts. As a result, Shaymin recovers its HP and status with no drawback for one use.

Grevious: This kid is actually right about Gengar. Use it first.

Hey smart one NATURAL CURE CURES YOUR SLEEP WHEN YOU SWITCH OUT.Physical vire fails on many levels when ice punch cant 1HKO a Glisor who is 4x weak to ice punch. Oh and electivire runs good special attack. K thanks BAI. Go learn something.

fullmetal
05-04-2008, 02:55 AM
Shaymin's Chesto berry is used to recover it from the sleep condition that Rest inflicts. As a result, Shaymin recovers its HP and status with no drawback for one use.

Grevious: This kid is actually right about Gengar. Use it first.

Smogon.com

Go there and read the strategic dex and stuff before you make yourself look like a fool again.

I'm reading your posts going, wtf. Thats how bad it is.

Grievous your team is to standard for my likings. People will be able to predict everything really.

Cucumber
05-04-2008, 06:02 AM
Smogon.com

Go there and read the strategic dex and stuff before you make yourself look like a fool again.

I'm reading your posts going, wtf. Thats how bad it is.

Grievous your team is to standard for my likings. People will be able to predict everything really.

LAWl

Master Aqua
05-04-2008, 01:08 PM
Smogon.com

Go there and read the strategic dex and stuff before you make yourself look like a fool again.

I'm reading your posts going, wtf. Thats how bad it is.

Grievous your team is to standard for my likings. People will be able to predict everything really.

I would say yes in some scences.

Gemgar-normally gengars holding choice scarf when its a lead so lfe orbed version is going to be a bit more of a supprise but not really that much of a supprise.

Mixvire-not ready

shyamin would be a total suprrise for allmost anyone

Heatran- mildly predicetible but not totally people that fought him ushally ehither precict choice scarf or predict chice specs and get there dragons/fire types get slaughtered.

milotic-complety predictible but that supprisely never hurt it in battles

fortress- I found that opponents found it quite prdictible but lost to it when it explodes on there switch outs also zap cannon prevented gengars taking advantage of him a couple of times.


Ace master please do not post on this thread anymore, you are only embarsing yourself and causing arguement so stop posting!

Ace Master
05-04-2008, 03:25 PM
aah, figure out the team yourself:angry:

Viva la Gofre
05-04-2008, 05:17 PM
A) That was a spam post
B) Going by your other posts he'll be better off without your imput.

Ok an unushall name for a team but here is team shaymin

Gengar
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba094.png
timid
item-=life orb
eves- 252 speed/sp attack
Move set
shadow ball
thunder bolt
focus blast
hypnosis

special attacker of the team and anti rappid spiner pokemon.
I dislike this thing as a lead, but the set's fine.

Shaymin -duh
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba492.png
modest
item -choice specs
eves- 252 sp attack/speed
Move set
hp fire
seed flare
psychic
rest

such a cute little hedgehog I just wanted to make a team with him in it ^^.
My main forum still bans shaymin so I've never encountered it. However the set seems solid. Since he isnt the fastest thing ever, consider bulking him up, possibly 152Spd/104HP

heatran
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba485.png
modest
item- choice scarf
eves 252speed/special attack
Move Set
hp ice
Dragon Pulse
Dark Pulse/Explosion
flame thrower

When shaymin is threatened by infernape out comes heatran to bring him down with supprsiing effectiveneess
Yay scarftran :D That moveset has brought me greater success, and the big OU dragons (Mence/Garghomp) would also give you trouble. Without dragon pulse. Im not a fan of two suicide bombers (Explosion) on one team, so i'd change it for dark pulse or earth power

milotic
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpfbsa/dpfbsa350.png
bold
item-leaftovers
evs 148 HP / 228 Def / 132 SpA
Move set
ice beam
surf
recover
hypnosis
ResTalk variants make better use of marvel scale, but this set's fine.

electivire
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba466.png
mixvire-not ready yet Fair enough

a physical attacker for the team. - this pokemon is being changed for a mix attacking version soon.


fortress
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmba/dpmba205.png
relaxed
item- leaftovers
eves- 252HP/196Def/96Att
Move set
toxic spikes
explosion
rappid spin
GyroBall

No sereiously zap cannon is innacurate but its usefullness to fortress is amazing when it hits.
Gyro Ball is a more conservative option, and better than zap cannon in general. Besides, toxic spikes is going to be causing status, so really it's just an innacurate thunder.


I am thinking about swaping gengar with shaymin as lead pokemon.
I wouldnt recommend it.

Mitsuzo-kun
05-04-2008, 06:04 PM
k, wtf? Why Dragon Pulse on Heatran? Hidden Power Ice takes care of the OU dragons easily, or most likely more efficiently than Dragon Pulse does. Besides, the only thing Pulse hits harder than HP is Kingdra, and what business does Heatran have trying to beat that thing?

Fire Away
05-04-2008, 06:07 PM
k, wtf? Why Dragon Pulse on Heatran? Hidden Power Ice takes care of the OU dragons easily, or most likely more efficiently than Dragon Pulse does. Besides, the only thing Pulse hits harder than HP is Kingdra, and what business does Heatran have trying to beat that thing?

Dragon Pulse is for neutrality. Fire/Ground/Dragon covers everything in the game, meaning that nothing can switch in safely. Fire/Ground/Ice isn't as good in that aspect.

Viva la Gofre
05-04-2008, 06:26 PM
k, wtf? Why Dragon Pulse on Heatran? Hidden Power Ice takes care of the OU dragons easily, or most likely more efficiently than Dragon Pulse does. Besides, the only thing Pulse hits harder than HP is Kingdra, and what business does Heatran have trying to beat that thing?
Pretty much what fire away said, although I've just realised i was stupid of saying he could deal with dragons. Anyway it still offers good coverage, with only one type resisting it.

Spongebob Number One Fan
05-04-2008, 08:29 PM
Snorlax walls this team =( Vire really doesn't like the idea of switching into Body Slam or especially Earthquake and Gengar can get hit with Crunch. You pretty much have to blow up on Snorlax with Forretress, and Fire Blast/Punch is sometimes used, so be careful.

I'd get a physical sweeper, since special walls in general give you a lot of trouble.

Mitsuzo-kun
05-04-2008, 10:26 PM
Oh. Choice Specs. :X

My bad. xD

^^;

Master Aqua
05-05-2008, 11:12 AM
Physical sweeper, perhaps my heracross? He would not mind taking a paralizing bolw from snorlax.


Heracross
http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpmbsa/dpmbsa214.png
jolly
item-choice band
eves -252 speed/attack
Move set
pursuit
close combat
megahorn
stone edge

To replace electivire