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Viva la Gofre
05-11-2008, 12:19 PM
Hi all,
I got bored so I thought I'd come up with an Uber team, let me know what you think:
The line-up:
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Sassy/Calm
252Att/152HP/106Def
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Stealth Rock
Thunderwave
Yay for groudon lead. Stealth rock and status set up is nice, and it has the important secondary objective of kicking kyogre leads where it hurts. Underspeeding it allows me to set up my weather, and that EV spread allows me to survive a full-hp non-boosted water spout from a modest max SpDef kyogre, quite a feat.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani386.gif@Life Orb
Naiive
106Att/152SpAtt/252Spd
Super Power
Shadow Ball
Ice Beam
ExtremeSpeed
Suicide Bomber from hell. This thing is not meant to sweep- it's stats are huge for a mixed attacker but wont break a full-health uber in one go. Instead he is used for clean up, His attacks cover pretty much the entire tier for SE damage, and extremespeed is there for other deoxys and rayquaza. Superpower also OHKOs 252Def/252HP Bliss, imagine what it does to standard uber :)

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani493.gif@Iron Plate
Calm
252Def/252SpDef/6HP
Substitute
CosmicPower
Recover
Dragon Pulse
Did somebody call for ice, dragon, ghost and dark resist? Because this thing has the lot. Yes i know the EV spread looks retarded, but I've been testing it with my mate and it works suprisingly well. He pokesav'd me the azure flute so I'm gonna start SRing for a 30HP IV one, which still gives it an impressive 379HP and allows for 4 subs without using recover. Cosmic Power for set up, dragon Pulse covers every uber for neutral except for other steel arceus.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani150.gif@Choice Specs
Timid
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Grass Knot
Ice Beam
Shadow Ball
Aura Sphere
Standard SpecsTwo methinks. Grass knot says HahahaNub to kyogre, while the rest of the set offers general coverage.

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Bold
252HP/200Def/56SpAtt
Roost
Whirlwind
Dragon Pulse
Light Screen
So yeah, one of the greatest walls ever. Rost for recovery and also gets rid of it's ice weak for a turn- although this leaves it vulnerable to earthquakes which it sooooo cannot take :wink:. Whirlwind Phazes, and lightscreen makes it a killer dual wall. Also covers arceus with it's might quad resistance to fight. I prefer this over giratina since i don't like relying on restTalk.

http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani384.gif@Life Orb
Adamant
252Att/252Spd/6HP
Dragon Dance
Dragon Claw
Extreme Speed
Earthquake
Dragon Dance Sweeper. Pretty standard. Not much to say about this really- just get in, do a mystical salsa and make stuff bleed :P

So yeah that's about it. Gimme pointers pleash :happy:

Flygon Ruler
05-11-2008, 03:17 PM
You've got a nice team that covers most of the Ubers, but your forgetting any other OU pokemon that wants to hop in.

Kyogre usually has choice scarf, so it will outspeed your Mewtwo. Just a heads up, so you don't expect to counter Kyogre with him.

Shedninja reaks a but load of havoc on your team late game. Once Deoxys and Mewtwo are worn out a little and Raquaza comes in for a late game sweep. Out comes adorable little Shedninja to point and laugh at those dragn dances and set up with his own sword dance (or get the switch in attack). And then he'll pummle your deoxys with shadow sneak (since he's weak from life orb). Mewtwo maybe a little counter, but even then, Shedninja stands a chance of killing with his Focus Sash.
You do have Stealth rock, but it may not be so easy to set up more than once (Forrtress is a popular rapid spinner), with Kyogre and what-not.
You can counter this by adding Toxic on Lugia instead of Dragon Pulse. Or remove thunderwave on groundon.

I'd consider changing the EV's on Arceus to get 404 HP so that it isn't broken by Blissey, but that's just me.


That's about it, ask me about anything you want.

Leman
05-11-2008, 04:33 PM
Crunch/Pursuit>Extreme Speed on Rayquaza IMO. When do you need to go first anyways? After two dragon Dances, you out speed Everything in Ubers baring Scarf-Deoxys. Same thing with Deoxys. What do you need Extreme Speed for? Imho, you want Grass Knot/Thunderbolt in that spot.

Groudon really cant beat Kyogre. Iirc, Scrafogre runs 252 SAtk/ 252 Spd/ 4HP Modest. With that spread Water Spout has a good chance of OHKOing, even if sun is here. Earthquake can 2HKO, but normally you'd be dead before that happens, and then you'd have to revenge kill with Deoxys. D: So yeah watch out for it.

Put Ice Beam>Dragon Pulse on Arceus and Lugia. That has better coverage.

Fire Away
05-11-2008, 05:25 PM
Crunch/Pursuit>Extreme Speed on Rayquaza IMO. When do you need to go first anyways? After two dragon Dances, you out speed Everything in Ubers baring Scarf-Deoxys. Same thing with Deoxys. What do you need Extreme Speed for? Imho, you want Grass Knot/Thunderbolt in that spot.

Groudon really cant beat Kyogre. Iirc, Scrafogre runs 252 SAtk/ 252 Spd/ 4HP Modest. With that spread Water Spout has a good chance of OHKOing, even if sun is here. Earthquake can 2HKO, but normally you'd be dead before that happens, and then you'd have to revenge kill with Deoxys. D: So yeah watch out for it.

Put Ice Beam>Dragon Pulse on Arceus and Lugia. That has better coverage.

I'd like to know who has the time to get two Dragon Dances in in ubers, for one thing. Extremespeed is there specifically for putting the hurt on things like Deoxys-A. :|

shedinjask
05-11-2008, 05:25 PM
Not really. Dragon Pulse is better than Ice Beam if you're only using one attack, considering only Skarm, Forry, and Steel!Arceus resist it. Ice Beam will have Kyogre all over your ass.

Then again that set is **** anyways, I recommend CM>CP.

Leman
05-11-2008, 05:27 PM
I'd like to know who has the time to get two Dragon Dances in in ubers, for one thing. Extremespeed is there specifically for putting the hurt on things like Deoxys-A. :|

Its not that hard. =/ I've done it plenty of times. Its a matter of who you switch into. D:

Fire Away
05-11-2008, 05:31 PM
Its not that hard. =/ I've done it plenty of times. Its a matter of who you switch into. D:

Let me rephrase.

Who has time to get two Dragon Dances in in ubers while not playing an idiot?

Viva la Gofre
05-11-2008, 06:07 PM
Leman, I've ran the damage calcs and it can survive. Not by much but it can. Either way, that's from a STABed full HP water spout which usually wont be coming my way if the opponent predicts a switch, which it the most likely the case, because only a crazy person keeps groudon in against kyogre right? :wink:
But yeah, it can also survive a modest choice scarf ice beam, which is most likely to come. Then once it's set up it can switch out.

EDIT: Extremespeed is also vital. It's speed is enough to outspeed a choice scarf/1DD rayquaza who also packs ES, which i need priority to beat.