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Dark Turtwig
09-10-2008, 09:27 PM
Okay, I had my team rated a while ago, and it was ALL overused pokemon, so, people would always predict my strategy, and counter it, and I could never win. So, here is my new team: I know I am lacking things, but I just won a battle a minute ago, and, I like it. My team's stats are like this: hp/atk/def/spatk/spdef/spd

Alakazam

EV Spread: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP.
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Hasty
Item: Light Clay (He knows reflect. I am most likely going to get rid of it, he just can't take ANY physical hit without fainting.)
Stats: 246/120/105 (ouch)/369/200/370
Moveset:
Reflect
Psychic
Hidden Power Ice, power, ?
Focus Blast
I think he needs a little work, but he does his job.

Dusknoir
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Relaxed
EV Spread: 252 Defense, 252 Sp. Def, 6 Attack
This guy is good. A Cresselia's Shadow Ball only did 1/4-1/3 Damage.
Item: Leftovers.
Stats: 231/234/405!/163/369/108 :/
Moveset: I want to include Toxic/Will-o-wisp, but I can't figure out what to get rid of.
Brick Break- For those Dark Types, like Tyranitar.
Pain Split
Shadow Punch-for Ghost Types, like Gengar
Earthquake- Almost All my pokemon know earthquake. I am thinking about getting rid of it for either Trick Room, or Toxic/Will-o-Wisp.

Gyarados

Ability: Intimidate- This has came in SO helpful for when I switch him out a lot like I do.
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 252 Attack 252 Speed, 6 Sp. Def- Not that good, I just don't EV train in the Defenses very often. And I wanted him to be speedy.
Item: Leftovers atm, I am thinking Choice Specs/Scarf, but I don't know what they do. :oops:
Stats: 331/383/193/126/231/228
Moveset:
Earthquake- for those pesky Electric types.
Aqua Tail- For STAB, and just a water move
Dragon Dance- for serious stat upping when I get a chance
Avalanche- Most pokemon move before Gyarados, so, when they move first, it has a base power of 120, instead of 60. And I just thought it was better than Ice Fang.


Gengar

Ability- Levitate
Nature: Timid
EV Spread: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 Sp. Def
Item: Wide Lens
Stats: 254/144/152/359/171/336
Moveset: I know this moveset is well, perfect as is, but I just wanted to list it if anyone has ideas.
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Hypnosis
Thunderbolt

Electivire

Ability- Motor Drive
Nature- Adamant
EV Spread- 252 Atack, 252 Speed, 6 HP. (I think) I honestly have no idea, but that's what I imagine.
Item: Focus Sash- He usually survives Earthquake, but, if he does'nt, he might.
Stats: 354/379/233/260/269/289
Moveset: I know you are going to say breed him for Cross Chop, but, I really can't breed him for cross chop. I need his good IV's, and he has worked for me as is, but I am open for suggestions.
Brick Break
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
ThunderPunch

And finally, my Beloved Donphan.


Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Hardy. :/
Ev Spread: 252 Attack, 252 Defense, 6 HP.
Item: Leftovers
Stats: 308/328/339/137/148/134.
Moveset: He survives all the time because he is my Rest and Sleep Talker.
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk.


So, I think I have too many Attack Sweepers, and I need a Supporter, like Milotic. I just got one, and I thinking about including it in my team. What do you guys think?

Starkipraggy
09-11-2008, 10:00 AM
Okay, I had my team rated a while ago, and it was ALL overused pokemon, so, people would always predict my strategy, and counter it, and I could never win. So, here is my new team: I know I am lacking things, but I just won a battle a minute ago, and, I like it. My team's stats are like this: hp/atk/def/spatk/spdef/spd

Alakazam

EV Spread: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP.
Ability: Inner Focus
Nature: Hasty
Item: Light Clay (He knows reflect. I am most likely going to get rid of it, he just can't take ANY physical hit without fainting.)
Stats: 246/120/105 (ouch)/369/200/370
Moveset:
Reflect
Psychic
Hidden Power Ice, power, ?
Focus Blast
I think he needs a little work, but he does his job.

This guy can't be your lead. And this Zam is bad. Consider using a Calm Mind or Choice Specs variety.

Dusknoir
Ability: Pressure
Nature: Relaxed
EV Spread: 252 Defense, 252 Sp. Def, 6 Attack
This guy is good. A Cresselia's Shadow Ball only did 1/4-1/3 Damage.
Item: Leftovers.
Stats: 231/234/405!/163/369/108 :/
Moveset: I want to include Toxic/Will-o-wisp, but I can't figure out what to get rid of.
Brick Break- For those Dark Types, like Tyranitar.
Pain Split
Shadow Punch-for Ghost Types, like Gengar
Earthquake- Almost All my pokemon know earthquake. I am thinking about getting rid of it for either Trick Room, or Toxic/Will-o-Wisp.

Dusky wants Shadow Sneak over Shadow Punch since Sneak gives it priority. Take Fire Punch and Will-O-Wisp over Earthquake and Brick Break since Will-O-Wisp wrecks all the Dark types that will come in on you barring Spiritomb, which you have to beat up with Shadow Sneak anyway, and Fire Punch beats out Heracross looking for Guts boosts.

Gyarados

Ability: Intimidate- This has came in SO helpful for when I switch him out a lot like I do.
Nature: Adamant
EV Spread: 252 Attack 252 Speed, 6 Sp. Def- Not that good, I just don't EV train in the Defenses very often. And I wanted him to be speedy.
Item: Leftovers atm, I am thinking Choice Specs/Scarf, but I don't know what they do. :oops:
Stats: 331/383/193/126/231/228
Moveset:
Earthquake- for those pesky Electric types.
Aqua Tail- For STAB, and just a water move
Dragon Dance- for serious stat upping when I get a chance
Avalanche- Most pokemon move before Gyarados, so, when they move first, it has a base power of 120, instead of 60. And I just thought it was better than Ice Fang.

Use another set. Since you switch him in a lot, use Bulky Gyara.

Gyarados @ Leftovers
Intimidate
Adamant, 216 HP / 16 Atk / 176 Def / 100 Spd
-Dragon Dance
-Waterfall
-Earthquake/Stone Edge/Ice Fang
-Taunt

By the way, Gyarados is decently fast, so Avalanche is pointless. IIRC the only grass type you'll probably see that is faster than Gyara is Celebi, and in the face of Celebi, you Taunt it, set up, and then blow it out of the sky with Ice Fang. And this set is designed to survive Garchomp, Dragon Dance once, and remove it from the game with Ice Fang.

Gengar

Ability- Levitate
Nature: Timid
EV Spread: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 Sp. Def
Item: Wide Lens
Stats: 254/144/152/359/171/336
Moveset: I know this moveset is well, perfect as is, but I just wanted to list it if anyone has ideas.
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast
Hypnosis
Thunderbolt

Fine. This guy should lead, if not, use Gyarados as the lead.

Electivire

Ability- Motor Drive
Nature- Adamant
EV Spread- 252 Atack, 252 Speed, 6 HP. (I think) I honestly have no idea, but that's what I imagine.
Item: Focus Sash- He usually survives Earthquake, but, if he does'nt, he might.
Stats: 354/379/233/260/269/289
Moveset: I know you are going to say breed him for Cross Chop, but, I really can't breed him for cross chop. I need his good IV's, and he has worked for me as is, but I am open for suggestions.
Brick Break
Fire Punch
Ice Punch
ThunderPunch

Dude, use Earthquake over Fire Punch. And fully physical Vire is BS nowadays. Put on an Expert Belt or Life Orb if you don't want to rebreed your Vire for standard Physical Vire.


And finally, my Beloved Donphan.


Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Hardy. :/
Ev Spread: 252 Attack, 252 Defense, 6 HP.
Item: Leftovers
Stats: 308/328/339/137/148/134.
Moveset: He survives all the time because he is my Rest and Sleep Talker.
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Rest
Sleep Talk.

Fine I guess.

So, I think I have too many Attack Sweepers, and I need a Supporter, like Milotic. I just got one, and I thinking about including it in my team. What do you guys think?Changes in bold.

If you're gonna include a supporter, Milotic isn't that good of a choice since it can't double up as a wall. The best mon to remove now would IMHO be Alakazam. I don't see it doing anything for you seriously. Gengar can be your only Special attacker I guess.

Viva la Gofre
09-11-2008, 04:08 PM
Bad dusknoir set is Bad, you may like the idea of max-effectivness Pain-Splits, but it severly limits it's walling capabilities. That cresselia example inst really valid because, to be frank, anybody running shadow ball on cresselia is pretty idiotic. Most cresselia sets run 0 SpAtt EVs anyway, so it's hardly a brag. But anyway, use the standard:

Dusknoir@Leftovers
Impish
252HP/252Def/6SpDef or 252HP/80Def/176SpDef, depending on whether you want to wall one or both attacks.
Pain Split
Will O Wisp
Fire Punch
Ice Punch/Thunder Punch

Shadow Punch is not worth using. As your example shows, it's mostly for frail ghosts like gengar who is raped by any kind of attack coming at him. Shadow sneak delivers too little damage with no EV investment, so that isnt worth using either. Go with the elemental punches for a ar better coverage.

Alakazam is wasted on any kind of bulky set- It is too frail and works best as an all-out sweeper. Specs Variants are most common:
Alakazam@hoice Specs
Timid
252SpAtt/252Spd/6HP
Focus Blast
Shadow Ball
Psychic
Grass Knot/trick

Starki covered the rest, however he crossed out Pory rather than Vire- PoryZ is a passable Late-game sweeper, Failvire is epic fail.

Domyras
09-11-2008, 05:58 PM
euh i dont know "boi".
i dont really see such a good team.
i suggest you take a REAL LONG LOOK at the Base Stats.
using the OFFICIAL pokedex. :D
i always use it.
http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp :tongue:
but hey, who am i?

Viva la Gofre
09-11-2008, 06:06 PM
euh i dont know "boi".
i dont really see such a good team.
i suggest you take a REAL LONG LOOK at the Base Stats.
using the OFFICIAL pokedex. :D
i always use it.
http://www.pokemon.com/Pokedex/flash.asp :tongue:
but hey, who am i?
I'm sorry, but that is not advice. First off, anybody can find a pokemon's stats, you do not need to remind us. Next, do some research yourself before labelling a poke based on just their stats. Stats are but a single part of what makes a good pokemon, and stats alone care never enough. Besides, all of the pokemon he has chosen are of either OU or BL tier, which indicates they are pretty damn good. People come here for constructive criticism, which you have failed to give. Come back when you have some remote knowledge of the competetive metagame.

Dark Turtwig
09-11-2008, 06:28 PM
Okay, thank you for your guy's opinions, and I am going to take your suggestions, becasue they seem to be good counters for my weaknesses. Now, I need a supporter. What would be a good one to have? I am leaning away from OU mons, BL and UU are great. And yes, I really need to ditch Kazam. He does'nt help me. I mean, I was in a battlw last night, and there was a Swift Swimming Kabutops, it took me out, because in the rain, it was faster. I am going to take Electivire out as well, because I already have an Ice-move attack sweeper. And since I am ditching Kazam, I need a special sweeper in his place. I can't just rely on Gengar..

Domyras
09-11-2008, 07:11 PM
I'm sorry, but that is not advice. First off, anybody can find a pokemon's stats, you do not need to remind us. Next, do some research yourself before labelling a poke based on just their stats. Stats are but a single part of what makes a good pokemon, and stats alone care never enough. Besides, all of the pokemon he has chosen are of either OU or BL tier, which indicates they are pretty damn good. People come here for constructive criticism, which you have failed to give. Come back when you have some remote knowledge of the competetive metagame.

ouch.
that hurts.
ur pretty damn right but i whas just saying it CAN be better (i think)
and u did not need to be so rude.
it is not that you have a 400+ post-count that you are allmighty.

Dark Turtwig
09-11-2008, 07:14 PM
ouch.
that hurts.
ur pretty d*** right but i whas just saying it CAN be better (i think)
and u did not need to be so rude.
it is not that you have a 400+ post-count that you are allmighty.

What does post count have to do with anything? And please, if you are'nt going to be helpful, get out of this thread. I know my team can be better. That's why I made this thread!

The Politoed Hunter
09-11-2008, 07:36 PM
What does post count have to do with anything? And please, if you are'nt going to be helpful, get out of this thread. I know my team can be better. That's why I made this thread!

If your looking for a supporter, umbreon does pretty darn good. Look on smogon for the set, as I can't copy/paste.

Dark Turtwig
09-11-2008, 07:38 PM
If your looking for a supporter, umbreon does pretty darn good. Look on smogon for the set, as I can't copy/paste.

Hm. Thanks, I'll check it out. Now, what exactly does a supporter do? I have a vague Idea, but I am not entirely sure. Does it help other members of your team?

The Politoed Hunter
09-11-2008, 07:43 PM
Hm. Thanks, I'll check it out. Now, what exactly does a supporter do? I have a vague Idea, but I am not entirely sure. Does it help other members of your team?

Yeah. Umbreon is good at wish passing and toxi-stalling, and also makes a mean curse machine!

Viva la Gofre
09-11-2008, 08:07 PM
ouch.
that hurts.
ur pretty damn right but i whas just saying it CAN be better (i think)
and u did not need to be so rude.
it is not that you have a 400+ post-count that you are allmighty.
Why did that hurt? I did not insult you once, I merely made my point detailing how you failed to offer advice where it has been asked. It's not an attack at you, it's a statement.
Haha, my post count on this forum is tiny. I have a 3000+ post count on a larger forum (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=58916)than this, but the matter is neither here nor there. Posts do not equate to skill, the idea alone is silly.

Anyway, back on topic. Supporters usually fall into two categories: Those that benefit your own team and those that hinder your opponent's. Umbreon is one of the few that does both, passing both wishes and toxi-traps. However he is extrmely suceptible to taunt, and doesnt have enough strength to carry an potent offensive move himself. It's a fine choice, just be very careful with how you use it, and I do not recommend deviating from the standard at all.

Dark Turtwig
09-11-2008, 08:16 PM
Why did that hurt? I did not insult you once, I merely made my point detailing how you failed to offer advice where it has been asked. It's not an attack at you, it's a statement.
Haha, my post count on this forum is tiny. I have a 3000+ post count on a larger forum (http://www.pokecommunity.com/member.php?u=58916)than this, but the matter is neither here nor there. Posts do not equate to skill, the idea alone is silly.

Anyway, back on topic. Supporters usually fall into two categories: Those that benefit your own team and those that hinder your opponent's. Umbreon is one of the few that does both, passing both wishes and toxi-traps. However he is extrmely suceptible to taunt, and doesnt have enough strength to carry an potent offensive move himself. It's a fine choice, just be very careful with how you use it, and I do not recommend deviating from the standard at all.

Oh yeah, I forgot about taunt. That would have me in a bind. And your account says that you are 76 on that forum.. You are?

Viva la Gofre
09-11-2008, 08:21 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about taunt. That would have me in a bind. And your account says that you are 76 on that forum.. You are?
Hehe that caused a lot of confusion on my birthday :P
I'm 17 lol