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Fire Away
10-19-2008, 02:00 PM
Smash World Forums, widely considered to be the best website on the internet for competitive Smash, has released the Brawl tier list.

This was actually like a month ago, but hey. Here it is. :oops:

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Tier_list#SSBB_tier_list

Thoughts?

It's pretty much what I thought it would be. I figured Toon Link would be a space or two higher, but I guess I was proven wrong.

Poring
10-19-2008, 02:35 PM
Huh. I haven't really been keeping up with SSBB, so this is interesting.

So, how'd Dedede get so high up? I haven't been on smashboards for months.

Oxygen
10-19-2008, 02:46 PM
I was expecting Marth to go top. His Counter and fast side-b help me win loads of battles.

Leman
10-19-2008, 05:42 PM
Wow I haven't been looking at SSB for a while. Like, not since Toon Link, Diddy, and Olimar were gonna be Top. D:

Lucario is higher than Kirby. :(

And why is Wario so high? D:

superdude44
10-20-2008, 01:19 AM
oh boy tier list these are the best... and most people are better than kirby once said by my wiser cuasin he said kirby was OK in 64 in malee he was weak and in SSBB SMASHED.

Fire Away
10-20-2008, 02:48 AM
Wow I haven't been looking at SSB for a while. Like, not since Toon Link, Diddy, and Olimar were gonna be Top. D:

Lucario is higher than Kirby. :(

And why is Wario so high? D:

Wario's aerial game and billion methods of approach helped him out a lot. Not to mention he's one of the best Snake counters around.

At the above poster, Kirby was one of the best characters in the original Smash Bros. He was 3rd (or second, I forget if Ness came after him).

superdude44
10-20-2008, 02:33 PM
Wario's aerial game and billion methods of approach helped him out a lot. Not to mention he's one of the best Snake counters around.

At the above poster, Kirby was one of the best characters in the original Smash Bros. He was 3rd (or second, I forget if Ness came after him).
thats what I meant but i worded it wrong

Kenny_C.002
10-20-2008, 04:42 PM
So my mains are mid and bottom tiers, with a sprinkle of top tier? D:

To the very least, it looks like Brawl is more balanced (with the exception of Mr. Banned himself) than Melee, with more top tiers (outside of Mr. God tier) than Melee itself. :3

Kirby Grunt
10-20-2008, 10:43 PM
Why is Yoshi above Sonic o_O? I only know two other people (besides myself) who main him.

Dark Turtwig
10-20-2008, 10:49 PM
I thought Sonic would be SOO much higher. Like at least in the top 10. I hate his air-spin b attack thing.
Why is Kirby so low? :sad: He's my main. His ground pound has helped me defeat a lot of All Star Matches.

PCHU
10-21-2008, 03:28 AM
thats what I meant but i worded it wrong

I'm his cousin......
Anyways, I've seen some good Kirby users out there.
I've also seen some decent Warios.
But in the air, it seems Ness, Marth, and Jiggz take the cake.

Also, HOW ON EARTH CAN SONIC IN ANYWAY EVEN BE CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THE BEST?
Last I checked, he had little range, little KO potential, and no projectile.
The only way he COULD be that high is in a casual FFA, smash balls on.

Kirby Grunt
10-22-2008, 04:08 AM
I thought Sonic would be SOO much higher. Like at least in the top 10. I hate his air-spin b attack thing.

Homing attack? *point at PCHU* what he said.
But Sonic is still pretty good, fun to play as, and if used right can be one of the best (like all characters).

LocamotionEX
10-24-2008, 12:45 AM
Can someone let me know why meta knight is so high, I used to use him, but I found more potential in wolf. can someone tell me the strategies in using meta, it would be much appreciated

Black Hawk
10-24-2008, 01:00 AM
I'm his cousin......
Anyways, I've seen some good Kirby users out there.
I've also seen some decent Warios.
But in the air, it seems Ness, Marth, and Jiggz take the cake.

Also, HOW ON EARTH CAN SONIC IN ANYWAY EVEN BE CONSIDERED AS ONE OF THE BEST?
Last I checked, he had little range, little KO potential, and no projectile.
The only way he COULD be that high is in a casual FFA, smash balls on.

Lol. Air attacks and you're not including Meta Knight, who has a great f-air, and Diddy, who is arguable the best aerial smash fighter.

And I agree. Sonic shouldnt be very high.

Fire Away
10-24-2008, 03:20 AM
Can someone let me know why meta knight is so high, I used to use him, but I found more potential in wolf. can someone tell me the strategies in using meta, it would be much appreciated

Well, while using him in extremely high levels of competition tends to be more difficult (as is using any character), you can basically just do a few simple things.

Jab-lock/combo to build damage

When they're high enough, try to land a Shuttle-Loop and/or Forward/Down Smash

If they're going to recover, jump out and gimp.

Obviously that's oversimplifying it a lot, but that's a step in the right direction.

If you're recovering, try to mix it up. All of his specials are viable recovery moves.

PCHU
10-29-2008, 09:04 PM
Lol. Air attacks and you're not including Meta Knight, who has a great f-air, and Diddy, who is arguable the best aerial smash fighter.

And I agree. Sonic shouldnt be very high.

Sorry.
I was typing on the wii at the time, not to mention I was tired.

But Metaknight has an amazing game all over.
As a matter of fact, people on smashboards are going to ban him from tourneys.
I don't see where he's broken, as I've seen good Metaknights, and all they do is the same boring stuff.
It's like you see one approach you've seen them all.
People need to step up their game, or at least sit down and think.
BAN METAKNIGHT.....
>_>
I HATE him, yet even I don't want him banned.

And to Fire Away.....
That's MK in a nutshell.
You forgot tornado and dsmash spam, though. :tongue:

Fire Away
10-30-2008, 01:17 PM
Sorry.
I was typing on the wii at the time, not to mention I was tired.

But Metaknight has an amazing game all over.
As a matter of fact, people on smashboards are going to ban him from tourneys.
I don't see where he's broken, as I've seen good Metaknights, and all they do is the same boring stuff.
It's like you see one approach you've seen them all.
People need to step up their game, or at least sit down and think.
BAN METAKNIGHT.....
>_>
I HATE him, yet even I don't want him banned.

And to Fire Away.....
That's MK in a nutshell.
You forgot tornado and dsmash spam, though. :tongue:


Metaknight isn't suffering from Akuma complex where he's literally unbeatable in the hands of a skilled player and he has some game breaking mechanic that the other fighters are unable to handle (akin to Akuma's air Hadouken). Metaknight has one matchup that might not be in his favor (Diddy) and that's only if they're playing on FD.

The problem becomes that over time, people will start to pick up Metaknight as a secondary, because MK is quite possibly the best counter for MK. At some point, if you play a lower tier as your main (let's take Jigglypuff for example), and you have a bad matchup, you'll use Metaknight.

Low and behold, if you've become skilled a Metaknight, wins will start to come much easier. Eventually, any player interested in winning will begin to use MK more and more until you forget who Jigglypuff even is.

That is, from what I understand, the reasonings behind his ban. It's clear that MK is the best of the best here, and it's by a larger margin than the Smash series has seen before. He's not exactly "God tier" in the traditional sense, but his impact on the metagame could be very ugly.

PCHU
10-31-2008, 12:40 AM
Yeah, his moveset makes him a very worthy opponent.
The main flaw about all of this is that it all depends on how good the player is.
I mean, Ness is quite low.
HOWEVER, I can kill higher tiers with him, and sometimes quite easily.

I think that their tier list has a few kinks in it (as in everything depends on recovery, it seems).
Wolf is a good character.
I think his placement could go a bit higher.
But characters like Toon Link have no excuse.
They're amazing; how can they be that low?
Toon Link has range and projectiles.
He has a good recovery as well.
So what's up with his placement?

Kenny_C.002
10-31-2008, 05:32 AM
Tiers, by definition, assumes players of equal skill. Tiers are generally done by compiling matchups (what are good matchups, neutral, and bad matchups) with tournament performance. MK consistantly has strong tourney performances and his worst matchup is neutral.

xskittycatx
11-02-2008, 07:19 AM
How's Lucas so low?
Almost every wifi battle I'm in someone uses him.
My bests are Lucas and Pikachu

PCHU
11-03-2008, 09:35 PM
How's Lucas so low?
Almost every wifi battle I'm in someone uses him.
My bests are Lucas and Pikachu

Well, Lucas is light.
He also has a slow-to-start recovery.
Umm....
His overall speed is slow.
I dunno.
I used him, and he seemed great to me.
Until I switched back to Ness.
Then he seemed slow. >_>

But it doesn't matter how much someone uses a character.
It's their tourney placing that comes into play.

Kirby Grunt
11-03-2008, 11:59 PM
Sorry.
I was typing on the wii at the time, not to mention I was tired.

But Metaknight has an amazing game all over.
As a matter of fact, people on smashboards are going to ban him from tourneys.
I don't see where he's broken, as I've seen good Metaknights, and all they do is the same boring stuff.
It's like you see one approach you've seen them all.
People need to step up their game, or at least sit down and think.
BAN METAKNIGHT.....
>_>
I HATE him, yet even I don't want him banned.

And to Fire Away.....
That's MK in a nutshell.
You forgot tornado and dsmash spam, though. :tongue:In UK meta is banned ^_^.

SaixPuppy
11-04-2008, 04:25 PM
Wow I haven't been looking at SSB for a while. Like, not since Toon Link, Diddy, and Olimar were gonna be Top. D:

Lucario is higher than Kirby. :(

And why is Wario so high? D: why is wario so high? your right Leman.

Fire Away
11-04-2008, 04:33 PM
Wario's aerial game and billion methods of approach helped him out a lot. Not to mention he's one of the best Snake counters around.


^that's why

Also, @ Kirby_Grunt, I thought only Italy had banned Meta so far. D: