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11-25-2008, 04:23 AM
So here is my RMT :D , this is a successful team tested on shoddy, so sucessful I decided to accually make an RMT of it...so without further adue

Team at a glance
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Cosmic Doom@Focus sash
Naive Nature
200 SpATk/56 Atk/252 Spd
-Stealth Rock

Your everyday suicide lead Azelf, a beatiful way to start off the game with a bang! I gave it a few more attack EVs to beef up explosion, with this thing I can disrupt set-up with ease, hit back with a solid STAB move, and commit suicide when I'm at critical health...simple enough AMIRITE?


Demise@Life Orb
Adamant Nature
252 Atk/200 Spd/56 HP
-Bullet Punch
-Swords Dance
-X Scissor
-Brick break

Oh the brokenness that is Platinum Scizor...I love it...this is your basic everyday scizor minus roost, I enjoy predicting Heatran switch ins and pwning then with superpower, I usually just use this as scarftran bait, it works REALLY well for getting my own tran a flashfire boost...basicly Bullet punch and and X scissor are there for STAB...not much else there


Timid nature
252 SpAtk/252 Spd/6 HP
-Fire Blast
-HP Grass
-Earth power

I just love this thing, most people obiously think its scarfed thus forcing a switch most of the time, and in that time I get a free sub and set up a sweep, and oh does it sweep, maxing out it's speed allows me to outrun standard DD mixmence, and a few other threats, for the rest the sub takes the heat and I get a free hit...with the awesome coverage that Tran has its gonna leave a mark. Earth power is for enemy trans and for general coverage, Fire blast for STAB and HP grass for pert that can give my team some real trouble


Bold nature
252 HP/220 Def/36 SpAtk
-T bolt
-Heat Wave
-T wave

This is my physical wall as well as Lucario, Gyra, Vaporeon, and 2nd Scizor counter, Gives nice pressure stalling ability and can burn up enemy's HP pretty quickly if they are short of a crippling status or KOing move...T bolt for stab and coverage, Heat wave for scizor and luke, Roost for recovery and t wave to cripple...oh is it fun to cripple...


Shuriken!!!@Choice Specs
Timid Nature
252 SpAtk/252 Spd/6 HP
-Hydro Pump
-T bolt/Grass knot
-Ice beam

This is my choiced sweeper that has the optioin to cripple walls at the expence of it's choice item, sure it is indeed worth it if the opponet switches to Blissey, which would be one of one's first instints while facing a Special sweeper of any kind. The moveset is basicly its straight forward, Hydro pump hurts like hell when aided by specs, if hax does kick in its pretty effective! I'm stuck on wheather to use T bolt or Grass knot, I already have an electric type and a grass move on heatran...input is appreciated on this subject...anyway Ice beam for general coverage of dragons and grounds...Trick is to cripple as mentioned before


Fat Arse@leftovers
Careful nature
168 HP/120 Def/220 SpDef
-Body Slam

The original Gansta set up poke...curselax, fun to use, can take a few hits and hit back it's self, not much to say cept body slam for STAB, crunch for ghost coverage, rest to recover after a successful set up and curse to compleate the leagendary set up...

I hope you enjoyed my RMT, constructive criticism is appreciated!

Dark Turtwig
11-25-2008, 04:49 AM
This team is so overused it's sickening, I would seriously DC if I knew I was going to lose to it. Starmie is the only thing there you don't see everyday, and Curselax meh.
I would replace Hydro Pump for Surf on starmie, seeing as the Shaky accuracy can really be a problem for sweepers. The Azelf looks good, and the team itself looks pretty sturdy from a glance. It's kinda late, so I don't want to do a full team rate.

11-25-2008, 04:55 AM
Thanx...I think =="

any other takers?

11-25-2008, 06:54 AM
I have noticed that every Pokemon in this team is weak to a certain move from the CB Heracross set.

Azelf: Megahorn, Night Slash, Pursuit (but in this case that doesn't really matter since it's going to explode anyway).

Scizor: I've already tested Close Combat from CB Heracross on this Scizor set, and it OHKOs.

Heatran: Close Combat

Zapdos: Stone Edge

Starmie: Megahorn, Night Slash, Pursuit

Snorlax: Close Combat

Also, this kind of team is really overused, if you just put Skymin in there, people would want to rip your head of xD. Not a single BL/UU poke in there. Personally, I don't like using UU Pokemon in an OU team but at least try putting a BL poke in there? Because if it's only OU pokes in there, the team will be quite predictable.

Your chosen EV spreads, movesets, natures and held items are all fine so I have nothing to say about those.

11-25-2008, 08:42 AM
Well, the reason Heracross is such a damn good Pokemon is because he gets such good coverage. In reality, the only Pokemon that isn't threatened as such is Gliscor, and Lucario is putting him out of commission for the most part. This is why Heracross is only moderately fast and requires Choice Band to dish out the immense damage he is so notorious for. If Starmie is out, and Scarf Heracross happens to be as well, switch to Heatran, because it's likely a Megahorn is coming your way. It's never that simple, sure, but this is why Heracross is so viable.

Also, personally, you're pretty much using all the Pokemon that Platinum has shot through the roof into stardom (save for Sky Shaymin) between Scizor, Zapdos, and Heatran. Yeah, they work well together, but I would rather lose with a creative team than win by way of a rudimentary process. I guess I should commend you for not having Sky Shaymin or Togekiss, though. On several occasions (Note: several), I've had them flinch my 320 Special Defense, 68% HP Bronzong under Light Screen to death. It's not pretty, and the audacity of those losers to rely on luck just diminishes my hope for people sometimes...Also, Zapdos is an exception; personally, I've always used him with great success since D/P came out.

Anyway, as for the team, let me just make some points:

-Snorlax should probably have Sleep Talk over Body Slam for two reasons: he's a great status absorber with it and Curse, and Body Slam doesn't provide much coverage, let alone the fact that the paralysis will probably be spread around by Zapdos anyway. I'm not saying it's necessary, but it's an effective physical conversion of the CroCune set from Smogon.

-Superpower on a Swords Dancing Scizor is one of the most backward things I've ever seen. It not only lowers the great Attack stat he's trying to boost, but also his decent Defense that thoroughly vindicates his lack of Speed altogether. If he uses Superpower, he essentially becomes a crappy Absol. As such, just use Superpower if you're running a Choice Band variant, since you'll likely get in one hit and then run for the hills (plus, he's resistant to Pursuit, so the Defense drop usually doesn't leave him vulnerable in that instance). For this, use Brick Break, since his Attack stat is through the roof as it is.

-You need to beware of who you call a Lucario counter now, especially since Zapdos will either be slaughtered or left bleating in agony by Ice Punch after a Swords Dance. If you want to run a metagame counter, I'd personally recommend investing some Special Attack and Speed EVs and slapping a Choice Scarf on him to pull it off (since you won't risk taking Stone Edge from Gyarados after switching in as he uses Dragon Dance, and you'll outspeed and OHKO Lucario with Heat Wave; even if he uses Extremespeed, it's unlikely it'll OHKO). But, this is just me.

Yeah, that's pretty much it...>_>

11-25-2008, 04:42 PM
Well thanks for rating,

@superboy: CB herra runs into big problems if it switches into Azelf, with azelf obiously outspeeding it and KOing it then the problem is solved, then in the instance with scizor I can easily go to Zapdos and wall it's close combat...basicly for every move harra can make I have a counter for. I suppose I can drop Starmie for a BL choiced sweeper...I might even consider dropping curslax for another special wall...I was thinking to match up with starmie's typing (minus the psychic type) would be a CB feraligater...I know it seems abit on usual but its pretty bulky and has decent attack with a CB boost, I'll do that then

@Diarago: thanx for the input, I'm probably going to use Brick Break now, I always used to yet I just felt like using superpower for once, for Zapdos I think I should keep it the way it is, it is a sturdy physical wall and I usually scare Gyra away with starmie (though I'm dropping it now for a feraligater) I also end up T/heat waving lucario before it even has a chance to SD/Ice punch and for curselax, a as mentioned before I might drop it, any suggestions for another special wall? (other than the obious blissey)

Thank you for the input ^^

11-26-2008, 04:27 AM
Superpower on a Swords Dancing Scizor is one of the most backward things I've ever seen. It not only lowers the great Attack stat he's trying to boost, but also his decent Defense that thoroughly vindicates his lack of Speed altogether. For this, use Brick Break, since his Attack stat is through the roof as it is.

I concur. See Skiddle's work on smogon community, Brick Break does the job fine.

11-28-2008, 02:25 AM
i agree that its too overused, but if you are playing someone that doesnt predict too well its fine.

Starmie is the most amazing thing i've ever seen! (not overused to death that is...)

lures out a special wall and then tricks it or slams anything else. thats impressive. good job.

other than the creativeness issue, its a good team

11-28-2008, 02:27 AM
wait... how did starmie get trick? i just checked smogon and it can't learn it.

11-28-2008, 05:38 PM
wait... how did starmie get trick? i just checked smogon and it can't learn it.

Starmie gets Trick from Platinum move tutors...