Hailstorm Team. Plz rate

[Shaolin1290]

I bolded the changes

Abomasnow@ Focus sash (Snow warning)
252 attack, 252 Special Attack (Brave)
Brick Break
Blizzard
Swords Dance -> Protect
Substitute -> Ice Shard

Froslass@Brightpowder (Snow cloak)
252 HP. 252 Speed (Timid)
Thunder Wave
Confuse Ray
Substitute
Spikes/Protect/Bite

Regice@leftovers (Clear body)
252 HP, 252 Def (Calm)
Blizzard
Thunderbolt
Rest
Sleeptalk

Mamoswine@ life orb/leftovers (Snow cloak)
252 Attk, 252 Speed (Naughty)
Blizzard
Earthquake
Roar -> Ice shard
Stealth rock

Heatran@ choice sash (Flash fire)
252 Sp.Attk, 252 Speed (Naïve)
Overheat
Earth power
Flamethrower
Explosion

Slowbro@ leftovers (Own Tempo)
252 HP, 252 Defense (Relaxed)
Thunder wave
Slack off
Psychic
Flamethrower/Surf




All explanations are in the first post

[Dark Turtwig]

http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/abomasnow.png[/IMG}

Abomasnow@ Leftovers (Snow warning)
252 HP / 84 SpA / 96 SpD / 76 Spe (Sassy)
Wood Hammer
Blizzard
Protect / SubstituteLeech Seed

I don't know any other way to put this... This set just kinda sucks. First of all, for a mixed set you have a bad nature, and a wrong item. Abomasnow should almost always carry Leftovers, unless you have a specific choice item set. The EV's are wrong as well. Brick Break doesn't carry the power, or the STAB, to make it worthwhile on abomasnow. And if you want Substitute, get rid of protect. There's no way in hell those two should be on the same set without Leech Seed, it's just strange. You can have protect or Substitute with Leech seed. Sub lets you attack after you set one up, but protect is some guarenteed health regain. Either one is fine, but I prefer sub.
[IMG]http://www.pokemex.com/imagenes/_478_Froslass.jpg

Froslass@Leftovers (Snow cloak)
252 HP. 252 Speed (Timid)
Thunder Wave
Blizzard
Substitute
Protect/spikes
Okay, where to start. One: Brightpowder is a hax item, you can't use it. Two: The EV's are wrong. You want 252 Speed, 252 SpA.
And Froslass needs at least one attacking move, preferably Blizzard, since hail is in effect. The rest is good for what this froslass wants to accomplish.
http://www.kidslearnfromplay.com/wordmatch/zhiying/pokemon/Regice.png

Regice@leftovers (Clear body)
252 HP, 252 Def (Calm)
Blizzard
Thunderbolt
Rest
Sleeptalk

This set is good as well. Not much to change here.
http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/mamoswine.png

Mamoswine@ life orb/leftovers (Snow cloak)
252 Attk, 252 Speed (Naughty)
Blizzard
Earthquake
Roar
Stealth rock

On mix mamo, you really want Life Orb, seeing as Blizzard lacks a bit of power.

http://www.freewebs.com/fyrecharizard/heatran.png

Heatran@ choice Scarf (Flash fire)
252 Sp.Attk, 252 Speed (Naïve)
Overheat
Earth power
Flamethrower
Explosion

I believe you mean choice scarf there. Now, in the place of Overheat, you want Hidden Power Ice or Grass. Grass is for Swampert, which could present a problem, or hidden power ice for the Flying types, but Flamethrower hits them.

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/pokemons/images/anime080.jpg

Slowbro@ leftovers (Own Tempo)
252 HP, 252 Defense (Relaxed)
Thunder wave
Slack off
Psychic
Flamethrower/Surf

I have something else to do, and I can't rate this one right now, sorry. :oops:

All explanations are in the first post

This is a lot like my hail team acually...
Changes in bold font.

[Shaolin1290]

This is my new team and I havent tested it yet, but i think i am going to clean up nicely with it. :biggrin:

Abomasnow: clearly he starts the snowstorm.

This guy is usually a pretty weak lead, so i made him to counter all kinds of leads.
Brick break is for those nasty tyranitars and weaviles. it should KO them because of focus sash
Blizzard for obvious STAB
Substitute is only in case of ninjask/ baton passer. not the best counter, but it can sub and then rough it up a bit w/ blizzard. when the new poke comes in it will be sub-protected and can hopefully wreck w/ one of its moves.
Swords dance is for a similar reason.

Froslass: i LOVE this guy. i think he has lots of potential. (Annoyer)

with his snow cloak and brightpowder he starts out with 30% accuracy advantage. He will substitute until the enemy misses and then thunder wave and confuse ray to get a 100% hit down to 20%!!
and then he'll bite for some flinching fun.

He also blocks fighting moves and rapid spin.

Regice: special tank/wall, status absorber

pretty straight forward... one of the best spD in the game and resttalk.

Mamoswine: Physical sweeper/stealth rocker/roar

big guy with some powerhouse potential. 20% evasion is also nice.
stealthrock is there cuz i need some on a hail team.
roar is to phaze those annoying stat uppers

Heatran: probably gonna be all i need (slight wallr/special sweeper/fire absorber)

i know youre probably thinking WHAT??? 2 fire moves??? but its necessary. when i am about to get a fire hit, i will switch and use flamethrower to keep hitting foe after foe.

if not, overheat and switch out

Slowbro: Physical wall/ Paralyzer

I am so suprised that slobro and his cousin slowking dont get more attention! theyre great pokemon.

Slowbro is my best friend because he counters 3/4 of ice's main weaknesses (fire, fight, steel) and is neutral to rock.
Psychic is there because i really need a way to deal with fighting pokemon.

i'm torn a bit between flamethrower and surf, but leaning towards flamethrower to effectively counter metagross. Surf is for rock and fire weaknesses on the team.
opinion on this???


So the main things i need help on are:
A few move choices
Anyone see any weaknesses i missed?
Are there any OU pokemon that could really do a lot of damge to the team?
Any great pokemon that i missed that could help me out?
Would you rate this competition worthy?

and compliments are always nice :happy:

[Dark Turtwig]

But if Abomasnow is meant to counter weavile... He's not gonna do that. Most weavile's have Focus Sashes as well, so then they brick break you one more time to kill you, and they can sweep your whole team on 1 HP. Abomasnow is not meant to be a sweeper unless he has a choice item.

[Shaolin1290]

ooh, VERY good point on the weaville. completely forgot...
any suggestions on how to deal with weaville then? in that case, i will give Abomasnow ice shard over swords dance. mamoswine can also have ice shard over roar for good measure.

froslass can also kinda deal with ninjask, i suppose...

Well, turtwig, i hope my explanation cleared up your queries.

i REALLY don't think Abomasnow sucks. he has only one purpose: set up snowstorm.

the nature is important because when two pokemon come out: one with hail and another with something else (tyranitar, hippowdon, kyogre, groudon)
the slower pokemon sets up the snowstorm

Abomasnow will not be in the game again unless the weather is changed, so it is ok that brickbreak is useless unless against 4x weakness because even if its useless against weaville, tyranitar is hailstorm's team's biggest nightmare.

Heatran will not be staying in and will almost always use overheat and flamethrower, so if they switch to swampert, naturally just switch out to slowbro

[Dark Turtwig]

ooh, VERY good point on the weaville. completely forgot...
any suggestions on how to deal with weaville then? in that case, i will give Abomasnow ice shard over swords dance. mamoswine can also have ice shard over roar for good measure.

froslass can also kinda deal with ninjask, i suppose...

Well, turtwig, i hope my explanation cleared up your queries.

i REALLY don't think Abomasnow sucks. he has only one purpose: set up snowstorm.

the nature is important because when two pokemon come out: one with hail and another with something else (tyranitar, hippowdon, kyogre, groudon)
the slower pokemon sets up the snowstorm

Abomasnow will not be in the game again unless the weather is changed, so it is ok that brickbreak is useless unless against 4x weakness because even if its useless against weaville, tyranitar is hailstorm's team's biggest nightmare.

Heatran will not be staying in and will almost always use overheat and flamethrower, so if they switch to swampert, naturally just switch out to slowbro

Wow, about the nature I really didn't know that. But by all means abomasnow doesn't suck, he is a great Leech Seeder. But you're not going to be facing Kyogre or Groudon lol.
But about Weavile, the best thing to counter it is a priority fighting move, such as Vaccuum Wave, or Bullet Punch, which is a steel move. Unfortunately, no ice pokemon learn Bullet punch or Mach Punch, or Vaccuum wave. So Ice Shard on Mamoswine is your best option to take out the 1 Hp.

[Shaolin1290]

i'm not exactly sure about your change to froslass... although it is a very good idea to have blizzard for taunters... i kinda dont want to keep froslass in on common taunters like misimagus and gyarados...

on those two examples, if they switch in they will probably get sucked into thunderwave or confuse ray, so i can then simply switch out to absorb the taunt on...say, mamoswine or regice

plus, confusion is 50% of hitting yourself im pretty sure, so it is a great help to froslass's defenses since it cant take a hit very well.

any other ideas on that? i kinda like him the way he is...

[Shaolin1290]

yea but i have a problem with putting leech seed on abomasnow: 10 weaknesses. 10.

he's not gonna be sticking around to leech seed anybody very long. I want him to specialize in a couple immediate first-pokemon counters, so i think its my best bet.

if i made him a sub-seeder, who is going to deal with weaville now? i will be swept.

I still need help on slowbro. flamethrower or surf or psychic? (pick 2 out of 3)

again:
Flamethrower takes out metagross, which i think looks like a big threat
Psychic takes out fighting types, which slowbro counters, but not so well without it
Surf is for rock types and fire types...slowbro wont be extremely good against either without it

I am leaning towards Flamethrower and Psychic since heatran walls fire, but i want to hear opinions before i rule surf out.

[Starkipraggy]

yea but i have a problem with putting leech seed on abomasnow: 10 weaknesses. 10.

he's not gonna be sticking around to leech seed anybody very long. I want him to specialize in a couple immediate first-pokemon counters, so i think its my best bet.

if i made him a sub-seeder, who is going to deal with weaville now? i will be swept.

I still need help on slowbro. flamethrower or surf or psychic? (pick 2 out of 3)

again:
Flamethrower takes out metagross, which i think looks like a big threat
Psychic takes out fighting types, which slowbro counters, but not so well without it
Surf is for rock types and fire types...slowbro wont be extremely good against either without it

I am leaning towards Flamethrower and Psychic since heatran walls fire, but i want to hear opinions before i rule surf out.
Psychic has BS coverage, take Surf and Flamethrower. Seriously.

You can always take Swampert, Metagross, Scizor, Bronzong, Gyarados, or Forretress to counter Weavile. In fact, you can just strap on a Scarf on your Heatran and have it eat Weavile. :P Job done. With a Flash Fire boost, Scarftran hits real hard and outpaces everything in the game for a hard KO. :P That way you can drop Overheat for another move for coverage, which would be Hidden Power. Ice kills Dragons and SkyMin, Grass kills waters. Pick. :P

[Shaolin1290]

still, even with weavile gone i just dont like subseed abomasnow. i youtubed it and they all died in two turns anyway

i kinda feel like an idiot now... of froslass beats fighting pokemon easily and slobro still walls it, so why would i pick psychic? thanks man :biggrin:

so flamethrower and surf it is then!

does anyone else suggest subseed abomasnow over mine? or any other?

[Starkipraggy]

still, even with weavile gone i just dont like subseed abomasnow. i youtubed it and they all died in two turns anyway

i kinda feel like an idiot now... of froslass beats fighting pokemon easily and slobro still walls it, so why would i pick psychic? thanks man :biggrin:

so flamethrower and surf it is then!

does anyone else suggest subseed abomasnow over mine? or any other?
Either take SubSeed or a Choice set, IMO. Abomasnow doesn't do anything beside set-up Hail and die anyway, so don't worry about it. Oh yes, and bait Fire moves. :P

Either that or go for pure SD Abomasnow and drop Substitute in favour of more coverage.

EDIT: You'll want to have a gander at this: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1631281

It'll probably help you heaps. :D

[Shaolin1290]

thanks! i am leaning abit towards sub punch abomasnow now