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Mystery The Fated
12-19-2008, 04:33 AM
Hey there. I'm not so good at introductions as I personally prefer to be "the man behind the man" type of guy. Well I've been toying with leads and ect, and have been throwing random pokemon on teams just because I'm lazy and like the idea of making seemingly uncompatible pokemon "work" together on a team. Well not that anyone plans to read this introduction, I'll move on to what you came to critizize......erm rate.



TEAM AT A GLANCE
(Why do I consider red an eye catching color....)


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http://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/373.pnghttp://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/212.pnghttp://www.smogon.com/download/sprites/dp/490.png

In Depth


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Roserade@ Black Sludge
Timid
4 Hp 252 SpA 252 Speed
~Sleep Powder
~Toxic Spikes
~Energy Ball/Grass Knot
~Hidden Power( Fire )

Roserade acts as a decent lead. For starters, it outspeeds many common leads (excluding counter leads certain infernape variants and aero) and does a through job of screwing over the other team with toxic spikes and ending potentially damaging sweeps from pokemon such as Kingdra. I also favor the idea of how the double status from sleep powder and toxic spikes works. I threw in black sludge for pokemon such as rotom that like to use trick and make "disable" one of my pokemon. Hidden power Fire does decent damage to steel types who are bold....or in most cases Adamant enough to switch in after I sleep something. Its decent typing allows me to clear up my opponent's toxic spikes if any. It's been serving me quite well I must admit.

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Grumpig@Leftovers
Calm
252 Hp 4 SpA 252 SpD
~Reflect
~Sesmic Toss
~Psychic
~Rest/Toxic

So I decided to mix it up a bit. I was pending using snorlax, but decided maybe I should give the UU tier some lovin. This does great as its typing provides few weakness and its ablility nullifys fire and ice attacks, which affects my sweepers. Reflect provides great support in this mostly physical based game. Sesmic toss provides decent damage to weaken uncoming threats. Psychic is for stab and couples decently with fight aswell as hitting gengar. Toxic and rest are the debator moves. I've seen a few togekiss and gyrados lately and obviously they are part flying and thus evade toxic spikes. Im not sure how crazy or desperate I may appear listing that as an option but what ever its still an option as far as im concerned.

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Heatran@Leftovers
Timid
4 Hp 252 SpA 252 Speed
~Substitute
~Stealth Rock
~Lava Plume/ Flamethrower
~Earth Power

Heatran is a decent special attacker. Sub allows it to come in, scare something out, and see and hopefully predict its counter later on down the line. Stealth rock deals with many threats to a degree as a form of damage. Lava Plume vs Flamethrower is a battle over what I want. I want to status my opponent, but with toxic spikes.....why bother. Well gyrados has this cocky attitude just because it has earthquake in its move pool. But lava plume can make it think otherwise coupled with stealth rock.

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Scizor@ Life Orb
Adamant
4 Hp 252 Atk 252 Speed
~Sword Dance
~Bullet Punch
~Super Power
~X-Scissors

Ugg....Arnt you tired of seeing this thing? Well in order to at least have a decent record, sometimes you have to go with the flow....even if it is overated....Anyway, toxic on grumpig would allow scizor to have a decent sweep. provided stealth rock is in play, toxic would shut down gyrados and zapdos to give scizor a decent opportunity to sweep someones team. Really do I need to explain this guy? Its a giant red praying mantis that will crush your face with its giant metal claws which for some reason allows it to use bullet punch with no fist o_O.....(Like why can gyrados use thrash with no hands and feet)

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Salamence@Yache Berry
Adamant
80 Hp 252 Atk 176 Speed
~Dragon Dance
~Roost/Brick Break/Fire Fang/Dragon claw
~Outrage
~Earthquake

Slightly variated DDmence. More speed evs to outspeed positive speed base no scarf heatran and neutral based lucario, as well as out speeding base 85 scarfers after a dragon dance. Yache Berry provides survivablity coupled with potential reflects and its Hp evs. Outrage for stab and Earthquake for versatility. Roost is a decent move to have in stall wars. But dragon claw provides a means for stab, and to throw my opponent off somewhat.

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Zapdos@Leftovers
Bold
252 Hp 4 SpA 252 Def
~Thunder Bolt/Discharge/Charge Beam
~Heatwave
~Hidden Power( Grass )/( Ice )
~Roost

Zapdos isn't a wall, but it provides decent typing and coverage for various threats to my team. Discharge is my first choice as its paralysis can come in handy for my slow team. Heatwave's usage goes unsaid vs steel types. Im favoring Hp grass as salamence doesnt "grace" me with its precence. With the new edition of platinum, heatwave pretty much says gg to skymin. Roost is rather obvious.

Closing Remarks

Well thats the team I rather....threw together in my head over the last few days. I call myself trying to be diverse and incorporate other tiers, but lets face it....not all diversity is a success story. Don't hold back with the critizism and such and I would like to thank you raters and those of whom are just curious and are looking for inspiration. Have a great day

Void
12-19-2008, 10:53 AM
If you are trying to be diverse, don't have Scizor, Heatran and Zapdos on the same team.

Dark_Azelf
12-19-2008, 02:11 PM
If Gyarados gets in a Dragon Dance you are 6-0'd


Yeah.. at the very least id scarf that zapdos so you have something to revenge kill it with, aswell as some other threats.


Zapdos@Choice Scarf
Timid Nature
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 DEF
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-Turn


And bear in mind Tyranitar hurts you alot too, more specifically CB Tar since you dont have a rock resist and its gonna take sacrificing a poke to actually revenge kill it with scizor, reflect on grumpig coupled with scizor helps somewhat but i would still like more insurance. Roost on scizor would be nice so it could take a few hits from tar.

Not seeing what Grumpig is doing in all honesty, it just kinda sits there and does nothing, i feel its slot could be put to better use. Some sort of swampert set would be cool (i was thinking like CB, Rest talk, or even curse RestTalk), also provides you with a rock resist and still helps with the fire and stuff =p

-Holland-
12-20-2008, 04:31 AM
Yeah.. at the very least id scarf that zapdos so you have something to revenge kill it with, aswell as some other threats.


Zapdos@Choice Scarf
Timid Nature
252 SP.ATT / 252 SPEED / 6 DEF
- Thunderbolt
- Heat Wave
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- U-Turn


And bear in mind Tyranitar hurts you alot too, more specifically CB Tar since you dont have a rock resist and its gonna take sacrificing a poke to actually revenge kill it with scizor, reflect on grumpig coupled with scizor helps somewhat but i would still like more insurance. Roost on scizor would be nice so it could take a few hits from tar.

Not seeing what Grumpig is doing in all honesty, it just kinda sits there and does nothing, i feel its slot could be put to better use. Some sort of swampert set would be cool (i was thinking like CB, Rest talk, or even curse RestTalk), also provides you with a rock resist and still helps with the fire and stuff =p

Yeah, Zapdos is mostly considered a great tank because of his great typing, but regardless of how you construct him, Tyranitar is still going to be one of the absolute best counters for him, unless Zapdos has Choice Specs (which is rare, given that many people play for Speed). Zapdos is one of my favorite revenge killers, alongside Salamence and Flygon, and Heat Wave has only made him so much better. 383 Special Attack is like a special Heracross; that's scary as hell.

For Roserade, I would highly recommend a Focus Sash, because even if you get something tricked onto you, it's probably going to be a Choice Scarf, and mind you, a leading Roserade actually likes that thing. Moreover, Focus Sash allows you to handle more troublesome leads, and will at least allow you to do something before you die a gruesome death. Black Sludge is practically useless on something that takes as little hits as Roserade. Moreover, Rotom-Heat is more likely to attack you than Trick you, and Trick leads aren't that common anymore, the way I see it.

As for Scizor, it's very easy to counter him nowadays. Any Naive Magnezone with Hidden Power Fire will destroy the one you've got right here, and people generally have their own Zapdos to shoo this thing off anyway. Scizor is powerful, but often Salamence is enough offense for an entire team all his own, and so he should be played at the very end of the game, to say the least. Quite frankly, I don't quite commend your use of him, and I think Metagross or Tyranitar would do well in his place, conveniently catering to Salamence's resistances while they're at it.

All things aside, though, this team is really OU, and really predictable. Half this team defines a good bit of 50% of the Shoddy battles we all get in.

Mystery The Fated
12-20-2008, 05:03 PM
Ok thanx for the rates ill take all things into consideration.
Also just a note. I don't play all Ou purposely. I only choose things that I believe would counter the peanut gallery. Thats perhaps the only reason most of my team is Ou. I don't pick pokemon just because theyre ou, I pick them because I feel they counter things. If there is a lower tier pokemon I think will do a better job then obviously I'd pick it. zapdos heatran and scizor obviously are super ou on shoddy. However the only reason i use them is to counter and provide support for my team, not to be a noob and follow the jones.

Lets see if I am able to get it right with the next team. Again thanx for the comments and in depth support. Honestly

-Holland-
12-21-2008, 03:50 PM
Ok thanx for the rates ill take all things into consideration.
Also just a note. I don't play all Ou purposely. I only choose things that I believe would counter the peanut gallery. Thats perhaps the only reason most of my team is Ou. I don't pick pokemon just because theyre ou, I pick them because I feel they counter things. If there is a lower tier pokemon I think will do a better job then obviously I'd pick it. zapdos heatran and scizor obviously are super ou on shoddy. However the only reason i use them is to counter and provide support for my team, not to be a noob and follow the jones.

Lets see if I am able to get it right with the next team. Again thanx for the comments and in depth support. Honestly

I'm not saying it doesn't work, I'm saying that everyone else knows it works, and they act to counteract what you do with this team. That's why it's predictable, and that's why you need to watch out.