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CaisyGold
03-12-2009, 04:01 AM
Please vote in the poll and keep orderly discussion here! talk about politics and your views on the way things should be... Select all that apply!

Max-Attack
03-12-2009, 04:16 AM
I don't affiliate myself with any existing political position. I equally support and oppose beliefs of the American parties (Democrat/Republican) in such a way that everything cancels out and I don't lean towards either side. Most importantly, neither party directly stands for the one thing that I truly stand for, which is that I'm against procreation.

Lord Fedora
03-12-2009, 04:18 AM
In terms of domestic and foreign policy, I'm completely left wing liberal, but I do believe in fiscal conservatism to an extent.

TeirusuFX
03-12-2009, 08:59 PM
I don't really have a political stand, politics aren't my thing

But if I have to, I'm mostly an enviromentalist

♪テイルス♪
♫Teirusu♫

Professor Geoffrey
03-12-2009, 09:31 PM
I have very conservative beliefs, but I'm trying to get politics out of my daily life schedule. One, it's very corrupting, and two, it presents a very pessimistic outlook on life, and that kind of outlook is one I really don't need right now.

And the media lies all the time, so what's the point of tuning into politics if you don't know what is fact and what is fiction?

By working on this philosophy, I hope to become a dedicated apathetic. =3

karmachameleon
03-12-2009, 10:23 PM
You kind of have the same beliefs twice- Liberal/Democratic Socialist/Communist. I favor Socialism on a smaller scale but like Liberalism in overindustrialized countries.

Primal Mario
03-12-2009, 10:38 PM
I am a Conservative Republican.

I believe that letting america vote Obama in to presidency was a

BIG MISTAKE.

For one he is letting the nation go into even more debt with his 73-Trillion Dollar bail out. Also a
BIG MISTAKE.

Secondly Shutting down the terrorist prison Guantanamo Bay Was another

BIG MISTAKE.

Thirdly He IS for abortion He says That he will try to make it a law to where doctors are forced to do abortion even though it's against some of thier beliefs. another

BIG MISTAKE.

I think the man is a crazy kook but thats me.

The Jr Trainer
03-12-2009, 10:48 PM
Thirdly He IS for abortion He says That he will try to make it a law to where doctors are forced to do abortion even though it's against some of thier beliefs. another

I'm pretty sure that would be sent to the Supreme Court and said to be unconstitutional.

I'm all for cumminism. If any of you have read "The Communist Manifesto", you'd understand. Since the way people have/had/do run communism isn't really what Marx created.

And I advise you to read that book, it'll blow your mind. :o

Nirvash
03-12-2009, 11:14 PM
I am a Conservative Republican.

I believe that letting america vote Obama in to presidency was a

BIG MISTAKE.

For one he is letting the nation go into even more debt with his 73-Trillion Dollar bail out. Also a
BIG MISTAKE.

Secondly Shutting down the terrorist prison Guantanamo Bay Was another

BIG MISTAKE.

Thirdly He IS for abortion He says That he will try to make it a law to where doctors are forced to do abortion even though it's against some of thier beliefs. another

BIG MISTAKE.

I think the man is a crazy kook but thats me.

You, my good sir, are not educated on the subject enough. Be quiet.
Obama is NOT for abortion. He is for something called Pro-Choice, which means he believes people have the choice. What Jr said is also true, you cannot force somebody to do something in that situation.. They obviously have the choice. Oh, and there are plenty of republicans who signed the stimulus bill. I know exactly what you believe, so do not say that I don't. Most of my family believes what you have stated. "Obama just signed a bill that allows people to kill babies."

You have your own beliefs, but please be educated before you say something like that.


I'm moderate personally, but I think communism is pretty cool if applied correctly.

Shadow Eevee
03-13-2009, 12:57 AM
I'm a Democrat, but over here that falls under Liberal.

Game Over
03-13-2009, 01:25 AM
I believe I fall under the conservative section, but I'm not positive. Also as someone who hopes to become a future president of the United States, I care very much about what happens to America, and even though I would have voted for McCain for president, since Obama has won, and is president, I will do anything to defend my country and its leader.

MaskedJackal
03-13-2009, 12:09 PM
You, my good sir, are not educated on the subject enough. Be quiet.
Obama is NOT for abortion. He is for something called Pro-Choice, which means he believes people have the choice. What Jr said is also true, you cannot force somebody to do something in that situation.. They obviously have the choice. Oh, and there are plenty of republicans who signed the stimulus bill. I know exactly what you believe, so do not say that I don't. Most of my family believes what you have stated. "Obama just signed a bill that allows people to kill babies."


LOL @ not for Abortion. He thinks that if a baby survives a partial-birth abortion, that the doctor has the right to kill the baby. He is a murderer.

Anyway, I'm what you'd call a super-conservative. I hate Obama, and I hate what he's doing to our economy.

Professor Geoffrey
03-13-2009, 12:30 PM
You, my good sir, are not educated on the subject enough. Be quiet.

Excuse me? He's not educated, so he should shut up? Our media lies and stretches the truth all the time. A lot of the terrible things you hear that have been happening off of American soil are lies or stretched truths. Remember that camp they shut down that was "torturing people"? They stretched that truth as well. Hear how the Iraqis hate us, and how they want us off their land? That's false, because I know many soldiers who have been to Iraq and have been praised and thanked for their services there by the Iraqis. It's everyone around Iraq that wants us gone because they want Iraq or what's inside. Therefore you, my good friend, are not educated, because none of us are, because we all listen to the media, and even conservative news tends to stretch a little. Oh, but isn't that an oxymoron these days? Conservative news? All media is either liberal or fairly balanced. Even Fox.

I agree with all of Primal Mario's points, because really, all Obama has been doing are big mistakes or things that won't really benefit the country, or at least to my knowledge. Obama is no FDR. He won't get us out of this economy crisis. He's actually plunged us much deeper. And he hasn't been president long! I wonder where we'll be in a year... if America or Obama survives that long, at least.

Oh, and by the way, pro-choice does mean he supports abortion. Get over it.

I'll add one more thing to Primal Mario's points.

Suggesting government-run healthcare for the country, and deciding to work on it, knowing that it is risky and that it could send us into yet another Great Depression?

BIG MISTAKE.

He thinks that if a baby survives a partial-birth abortion, that the doctor has the right to kill the baby. He is a murderer.

Quoted for truth, because it is the truth, and truths such as this are not seen often, especially while Obama's president.

Tory vs Meaty II
03-13-2009, 08:11 PM
Which caligory is independent?

Dark Turtwig
03-13-2009, 08:25 PM
LOL @ not for Abortion. He thinks that if a baby survives a partial-birth abortion, that the doctor has the right to kill the baby. He is a murderer.

Anyway, I'm what you'd call a super-conservative. I hate Obama, and I hate what he's doing to our economy.

Hate's a pretty damn strong word. I belive you shouldn't hate a man for what he believes in.
Me, I guess I would fall into the democratic/liberal category. If I could have voted, it would have been for Obama.

Lord Fedora
03-13-2009, 08:40 PM
Which caligory is independent?
Independent is in regards to political party, this is about political ideology. In other words, even if you don't consider yourself aligned to any particular political party, which political opinions do you agree with.

As for Lord Lucario and Requiem of Verities, I ask that you prove it. I have seen absolutely nothing from any unbiased (i.e. not Fox News, MSNBC, or any other ideologically tilted media source) saying one thing or another on that subject, while common sense dictates that Obama most certainly would not approve of that sort of monstorous behavior, considering that his only support for partial birth abortion has been in regards to the safety of the mother and if the child survives then there would be no issue.

And lastly, I'm not going to defend the stimulus bill or the budget. Like I said before I do practice a level of fiscal conservatism. However, you don't know what this is going to do for the economy. Neither do I. So reserve your judgement on it until we see the long term effects.

Professor Geoffrey
03-13-2009, 11:40 PM
Hate's a pretty damn strong word. I belive you shouldn't hate a man for what he believes in.

So is "damn." So powerful, God uses the method to cast away the non-believers.

No, we don't hate the man because of what he believes in. That is what most liberals assume about conservatives. No, it's actually a little more complicated; we hate the person because what he will do with those beliefs. It's like being afraid of the dark. You're not afraid of the lightlessness itself, but rather what lurks inside.

Dark Turtwig
03-14-2009, 12:06 AM
So is "damn." So powerful, God uses the method to cast away the non-believers.

No, we don't hate the man because of what he believes in. That is what most liberals assume about conservatives. No, it's actually a little more complicated; we hate the person because what he will do with those beliefs. It's like being afraid of the dark. You're not afraid of the lightlessness itself, but rather what lurks inside.

Well, everyone's entitled to their own opinions. Who am I to judge them?

Bryce
03-14-2009, 12:15 AM
I dunno; a little mix of conservatism and liberalism for me, I'd say. Economically and military-related, conservative views are the only ones that seem REMOTELY sensible to me. However, socially, related to rights and such, I'd say I'm liberal. Gay marriage, pro-choice for abortion, I'm all for that. I don't know how many Republicans are, so don't ask me... But yeah. D:

Soda
03-14-2009, 12:29 AM
I'm nothing. :)

None of these can really describe me. I'm not declaring myself anything until I can change everything and everybody right now.

[Code for 'I don't know ****']

Synester
03-14-2009, 12:57 AM
LOL @ not for Abortion. He thinks that if a baby survives a partial-birth abortion, that the doctor has the right to kill the baby. He is a murderer.

Anyway, I'm what you'd call a super-conservative. I hate Obama, and I hate what he's doing to our economy.The doctor has the right, meaning he dosen't have to do it, and last I checked, Obama isn't coming into hospital eating partialy born babies now is he?

MaskedJackal
03-14-2009, 01:02 AM
The doctor has the right, meaning he dosen't have to do it, and last I checked, Obama isn't coming into hospital eating partialy born babies now is he?

The doctor doesn't have the right to take innocent life.

@Khajmer: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

"But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life. "

Synester
03-14-2009, 01:25 AM
The doctor doesn't have the right to take innocent life.

You make it sound as if every doctor 100% is going to kill the thing.

MaskedJackal
03-14-2009, 01:27 AM
You make it sound as if every doctor 100% is going to kill the thing.

It doesn't matter whether or not they will. The point is that they shouldn't even be given the privilege to do such a thing.

Synester
03-14-2009, 01:29 AM
It doesn't matter whether or not they will. The point is that they shouldn't even be given the privilege to do such a thing.Says who? If the parent didn't want the child in the first place, then the doctor has the right to do what he sees fit with that half alive half dead zombie like thing.

Buizel410
03-14-2009, 03:33 AM
For the most part, my beliefs fall under conservative. I despise abortion and can't stand thoughts of socialism and communism. It's all a big trap...

Neo Emolga
03-14-2009, 04:04 AM
Conservative and a bit of Environmentalist.

And no, I don't believe Obama will pull America out of the economic mess. People worship him like a messiah just because he's African American and he's young, but I have yet to see him do anything that really affects the economy in a positive light. And yes, socialism fails. Spreading the wealth only encourages people to be lazy and expect someone else to pick them off and dust them off. Hard work and commitment is what should be rewarded, not laziness.

Personally, I'm tired of seeing Obama's mug everywhere. I like seeing results, not a whole array of nice-sounding fluff and false promises he likes to orchestrate. So far he's off to a horrible start and frankly, I don't expect to see it improve very much.

Tory vs Meaty II
03-14-2009, 04:12 AM
Personally, I'm tired of seeing Obama's mug everywhere. I like seeing results, not a whole array of nice-sounding fluff and false promises he likes to orchestrate. So far he's off to a horrible start and frankly, I don't expect to see it improve very much.

You know what they say. Presidents that have bad starts end up with a good endings.

Fire Away
03-14-2009, 04:21 AM
So is "damn." So powerful, God uses the method to cast away the non-believers.

No, we don't hate the man because of what he believes in. That is what most liberals assume about conservatives. No, it's actually a little more complicated; we hate the person because what he will do with those beliefs. It's like being afraid of the dark. You're not afraid of the lightlessness itself, but rather what lurks inside.

You hardly sound like an apathetic person. You sound more like a sorrow.

I'm a liberal with a few select conservative beliefs.

Gamabunta
03-14-2009, 04:35 AM
Fascism. I envision a perfect world where everyone is healthy, strong, and intelligent, all thanks to the government guiding everyone to be such. No complaints from anyone, because the government tells you what to like. Everyone lives disillusioned, a Matrix of sorts, but not a stupid movie.

Professor Geoffrey
03-14-2009, 05:24 AM
You know what they say. Presidents that have bad starts end up with a good endings.

I laughed pretty hard at that. That mainly happens with Republican presidents, as I've seen. -nod-

I'm sorry - I doubt that he can get us out. Bush may have cost each household $18-20 thousand, but do you know what Obama did? He made it go to astronomical numbers, like $80 thousand. And he's not done. It's going to go up and up, and before you know it, everyone will be up to their eyeballs in debt, not just the people that got into it in the first place.

You hardly sound like an apathetic person. You sound more like a sorrow.

I'm a liberal with a few select conservative beliefs.

That's because you didn't see my first post. I actually want to get out of politics. It's just that I can't get politics out of me. x___X

Nirvash
03-14-2009, 05:32 AM
Excuse me? He's not educated, so he should shut up? Our media lies and stretches the truth all the time. A lot of the terrible things you hear that have been happening off of American soil are lies or stretched truths. Remember that camp they shut down that was "torturing people"? They stretched that truth as well. Hear how the Iraqis hate us, and how they want us off their land? That's false, because I know many soldiers who have been to Iraq and have been praised and thanked for their services there by the Iraqis. It's everyone around Iraq that wants us gone because they want Iraq or what's inside. Therefore you, my good friend, are not educated, because none of us are, because we all listen to the media, and even conservative news tends to stretch a little. Oh, but isn't that an oxymoron these days? Conservative news? All media is either liberal or fairly balanced. Even Fox.

I agree with all of Primal Mario's points, because really, all Obama has been doing are big mistakes or things that won't really benefit the country, or at least to my knowledge. Obama is no FDR. He won't get us out of this economy crisis. He's actually plunged us much deeper. And he hasn't been president long! I wonder where we'll be in a year... if America or Obama survives that long, at least.

Oh, and by the way, pro-choice does mean he supports abortion. Get over it.

I'll add one more thing to Primal Mario's points.

Suggesting government-run healthcare for the country, and deciding to work on it, knowing that it is risky and that it could send us into yet another Great Depression?

BIG MISTAKE.



Quoted for truth, because it is the truth, and truths such as this are not seen often, especially while Obama's president.

Ok, you're right. He should not shut up. He should speak to be corrected on fictional things he said. Are you, good sir, suggesting that all of his beliefs are based on the media? I would have to agree. Our Media is the most slanted thing that will ever influence people's minds. And you, who claims that nobody is educated? Then who is? Obviously you speak as though there is a single person out there who knows the truth in the slightest? If we all know we are not educated, who is to teach us? You are wrong. Can you tell me what is currently happening in Iraq? I can sure tell you. And guess how I found out? An israeli newspaper. A friend translated the article for me. Want to know what's happening there? Ask our media. They sure won't tell you. Think about it. If you want to be educated, do not sit around and think that the media is the only place to get information. The world is your book. LOOK FOR THE INFORMATION YOU DESIRE. NOBODY CONTROLS THE INTERNET. ANYTHING MAY BE PUBLISHED. While this also leads to misinformation, there are credible sites who actually check their info first, by going and finding the information out while it happens.

I disagree with the points obviously. I will not judge our president until we see the effects of the stimulus bill.

Oh, and Pro-Choice does not directly support abortion. It's called "choice" because you believe people should have the choice of having an abortion or not. Get the **** over it.

Also about the healthcare thing. Socialist medicine doesn't seem so bad. That or the government making the medicine market completely a free market. The thing about before is that a select few companies were controlling a majority of the market, and they could send the price skyhigh. I don't know what to think about socialized healthcare. No opinion.

You have not quoted truth. You have stated your opinion. Opinion =/= fact. The only "truth" is about the media. That's that, sir.

Lord Fedora
03-14-2009, 10:56 AM
@Khajmer: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/01/AR2008040102197.html

"But Obama's record on abortion is extreme. He opposed the ban on partial-birth abortion -- a practice a fellow Democrat, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, once called "too close to infanticide." Obama strongly criticized the Supreme Court decision upholding the partial-birth ban. In the Illinois state Senate, he opposed a bill similar to the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which prevents the killing of infants mistakenly left alive by abortion. And now Obama has oddly claimed that he would not want his daughters to be "punished with a baby" because of a crisis pregnancy -- hardly a welcoming attitude toward new life. "

Very well LL, that was all I wanted. I intend to look into this and get back to you with a rebuttal.

I'm sorry - I doubt that he can get us out. Bush may have cost each household $18-20 thousand, but do you know what Obama did? He made it go to astronomical numbers, like $80 thousand. And he's not done. It's going to go up and up, and before you know it, everyone will be up to their eyeballs in debt, not just the people that got into it in the first place.

And you became able to predict the future... when? Because you don't know that for a fact. You can be certain of it completely and entirely, but honestly, that's just idiocy because in the end if you're wrong you're going to look like an idiot. I'm not claiming certainty, I know that this could go very, very wrong, but what would you suggest we do instead? Cut everyone's taxes? *points to trillion dollar national deficit, expensive wars in middle east, and data showing that tax cuts don't stimulate the economy nearly enough* Money needs to come from somewhere, i.e. the people. Should we just leave everything alone and let it sort itself out? Gee, in case you didn't notice, a lack of proper government interference and regulation is what caused this mess. So, in terms of money, we can't cut out the Republican's ideas or do nothing at all, so that leaves us with the Democrats', and for some reason beyond me, Democrats like to spend. And since either way we're hosed, we might as well let them try and see if it saves us in the end.

MaskedJackal
03-14-2009, 02:08 PM
And you became able to predict the future... when? Because you don't know that for a fact. You can be certain of it completely and entirely, but honestly, that's just idiocy because in the end if you're wrong you're going to look like an idiot. I'm not claiming certainty, I know that this could go very, very wrong, but what would you suggest we do instead? Cut everyone's taxes? *points to trillion dollar national deficit, expensive wars in middle east, and data showing that tax cuts don't stimulate the economy nearly enough* Money needs to come from somewhere, i.e. the people. Should we just leave everything alone and let it sort itself out? Gee, in case you didn't notice, a lack of proper government interference and regulation is what caused this mess. So, in terms of money, we can't cut out the Republican's ideas or do nothing at all, so that leaves us with the Democrats', and for some reason beyond me, Democrats like to spend. And since either way we're hosed, we might as well let them try and see if it saves us in the end.

Well, you can either cut taxes so citizens will be able to spend more and pump more money into the economy...

...or you can follow Obama's plan and plunge us into deeper debt by spending trillions of dollars in bailouts, frantically print money, give handouts to all the bums who are too lazy to take advantage of opportunity, and penalize the achievers by hiking their taxes.

This "stimulus" (or as Rush Limbaugh calls it, porkulus) bill is nothing but an indirect way of redistributing wealth. That bill isn't going to stimulate anything. It will only redistribute money that's already in the economy. The lower-class (or as I like to call the majority of them, lazy), who don't pay taxes anyway, will receive tons of government handouts, while the achievers, the hard-working middle and upper class who keep this country running, will be penalized with major tax increases.

Lord Fedora
03-14-2009, 07:24 PM
Well, you can either cut taxes so citizens will be able to spend more and pump more money into the economy...

Much as I would love it if we could follow McCain's prescription of tax cuts for everyone, government-tax revenue=increase in national debt.

...or you can follow Obama's plan and plunge us into deeper debt by spending trillions of dollars in bailouts, frantically print money, give handouts to all the bums who are too lazy to take advantage of opportunity, and penalize the achievers by hiking their taxes.

So then you're calling the 7.2% of Americans who have lost their jobs and can't get new ones (and bear in mind, the Labor Union doesn't count the bums who have stopped trying t find work) lazy? No you moron, the fact is that they aren't not trying to take advantage of opportunity, there's simply not any opportunity to take advantage of. If they could, I can guarantee you they would, and unless you want the U.S. population to see a major plummet, someone's going to have to make sure they can be fed until they do.

This "stimulus" (or as Rush Limbaugh calls it, porkulus) bill is nothing but an indirect way of redistributing wealth. That bill isn't going to stimulate anything. It will only redistribute money that's already in the economy. The lower-class (or as I like to call the majority of them, lazy), who don't pay taxes anyway, will receive tons of government handouts, while the achievers, the hard-working middle and upper class who keep this country running, will be penalized with major tax increases.

I'm not defending the stimulus bill, how many times to I have to say it? I'm as concerned about the outcome as you are. The difference is, I'm not immediately writing it off as a failure. Prove to me that giving the middle and lower classes money isn't going to stimulate the economy? Because keeping it in the rich peoples pockets clearly hasn't done anything. Second of all, everyone with an income pays federal income tax, that is a fact. If you literally make one dollar a year, the government will come over and demand a dime. Thirdly, newsflash bub, I'm in the middle class and my family isn't getting a tax increase. Our taxes remain exactly where they are.

And again, do you know every lower class person getting these benefits? Do you know the majority of those people? Do you even know a minority of them? Something in me doubts it. So don't claim that they're all lazy when you don't know that, have no proof of that, and haven't seen that for yourself.

Shadow Eevee
03-14-2009, 08:08 PM
Excuse me? He's not educated, so he should shut up? Our media lies and stretches the truth all the time. A lot of the terrible things you hear that have been happening off of American soil are lies or stretched truths. Remember that camp they shut down that was "torturing people"? They stretched that truth as well. Hear how the Iraqis hate us, and how they want us off their land? That's false, because I know many soldiers who have been to Iraq and have been praised and thanked for their services there by the Iraqis. It's everyone around Iraq that wants us gone because they want Iraq or what's inside. Therefore you, my good friend, are not educated, because none of us are, because we all listen to the media, and even conservative news tends to stretch a little. Oh, but isn't that an oxymoron these days? Conservative news? All media is either liberal or fairly balanced. Even Fox.Ever read this article? http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/26/opinion/26kristof.html
I agree with all of Primal Mario's points, because really, all Obama has been doing are big mistakes or things that won't really benefit the country, or at least to my knowledge. Obama is no FDR. He won't get us out of this economy crisis. He's actually plunged us much deeper. And he hasn't been president long! I wonder where we'll be in a year... if America or Obama survives that long, at least.

Oh, and by the way, pro-choice does mean he supports abortion. Get over it.

I'll add one more thing to Primal Mario's points.

Suggesting government-run healthcare for the country, and deciding to work on it, knowing that it is risky and that it could send us into yet another Great Depression?

BIG MISTAKE.



Quoted for truth, because it is the truth, and truths such as this are not seen often, especially while Obama's president.

I laughed pretty hard at that. That mainly happens with Republican presidents, as I've seen. -nod-Right, because getting a country into a recession is every president's goal, and citizen's dream.
I'm sorry - I doubt that he can get us out. Bush may have cost each household $18-20 thousand, but do you know what Obama did? He made it go to astronomical numbers, like $80 thousand. And he's not done. It's going to go up and up, and before you know it, everyone will be up to their eyeballs in debt, not just the people that got into it in the first place.



That's because you didn't see my first post. I actually want to get out of politics. It's just that I can't get politics out of me. x___X
Comments are in bold.

I personally laughed at how this turned from a poll into a debate thread.

Ah Beng I the Pikabeng
04-04-2009, 08:38 AM
An anarchist is just a type of libertarianist. Which I'm not. And conservatives killed off China's Qing Dynasty. And socialists/fascists/communists are similar, and they're either not realistic or they're harming the people in general. So... yeah, I'm a mix of the rest. :P