Announcement Concerning Staff Impersonation

[Lord Celebi]

Announcement Concerning Staff Impersonation

Recently, there have been several incidents of PE2K Staff impersonation through instant messengers and on PE2K itself. Members who have shared their passwords then have found themselves banned due to posts that the impersonators have written.

As of now, if you impersonate a staff member (whether it be on PE2K, AIM, or other form of digital communication), you will be permanently banned. This includes either claiming to be someone you're not, claiming to be a secret staff member, or claiming to have moderator powers when you do not actually do.

Furthermore, the PE2K Staff would like to remind you to NEVER give your password to anyone. The Moderators and Global Moderators will never require your password. Moderators and Global Moderators will also not threaten to ban you if you do not exchange your password or something akin to that.

In the event that you encounter someone claiming to be a staff member, report it to a Global Moderator immediately. Include as many details as you can (PE2K Username, who they're claiming to be, AIM username, chatlogs, etc). The PE2K Staff will deal with all reports seriously and on a case-by-case basis. Abuse of this system will also lead to a permanent ban.

I am compiling a list of all ways to digitally communicate with a staff member, which will be posted here. If someone is claiming to be a staff member and you aren't sure if they are or not, then look here.

[Soda]

And here I thought TE actually did something all technology-ish. :rolleyes:

But yea don't do anything over AIM. You'll get banned unfairly like Black Fox of the Darkness. :confused:

[Jelly]

I didnt know people were doing this...
Who would stoop this low on a pkmn fourm

[Yoda55]

Now that is pretty sad... this is a pokemon forum.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

Luckily I don't use any form of chat, be it MSN, Trillian, AIM, or whatever. :D

But on PE2K, this threat still exists... :eek:

Thanks, mods, for the reminder. :D

Pity all those conned, though... D:

[Ridley]

Aww, guess I gotta delete my "neo pikachu 28" AIM account I made a year ago for fun. :(

No, I never impersonated him by the way; only brought it into big AIM chats for the lulz.

[U-B-3-R]

Aww, guess I gotta delete my "neo pikachu 28" AIM account I made a year ago for fun. :(

No, I never impersonated him by the way; only brought it into big AIM chats for the lulz.
I lol'd.

I guess there goes my rust clone AIM account 'celebipwnsall'. :( Still, he never was as good as my LS clone, rofl.

[Lusitania]

Oh shut up guy,s, before you get banned:P

And I think that it's sad someone is doing this on a freakign POKEMIN forums

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

Oh shut up guy,s, before you get banned:P

And I think that it's sad someone is doing this on a freakign POKEMIN forums

Yeah.


And I'd like to remind you all: I never go on AIM or anything like that. I don't even have an account on any of these. If someone on any of these impersonates me, report them on my behalf pl0x.

[Black Label]

Yeah.


And I'd like to remind you all: I never go on AIM or anything like that. I don't even have an account on any of these. If someone on any of these impersonates me, report them on my behalf pl0x.

I would never do that. :P

But yeah, it sucks that there are people like that on a pokemon forum. :/

People are just unpredictable these days.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

I would never do that. :P

But yeah, it sucks that there are people like that on a pokemon forum. :/

People are just unpredictable these days.

It sucks, yet you won't do all you can to help? D:

[WatchMeBeQuieter]

While this is bad enough, there are other problems that I see on AIM that are perhaps less prevalent on the forums. I'm pretty sure AIM transactions shouldn't be accountable on the forums, but I have seen a rather popular member get temporarily banned for a comment in a URPG chat.

However, this isn't what I'm talking about... commonly, on AIM, certain members of the forums will make crude jokes about sex, such as mentioning users' (most usually his own) *****, or other jokes of that nature. For example, one time I got very angry when I was IMed a link to a loop clip of fat, naked men having gay sex, and every time you tried to close it, a pop-up would show up reading "HELLO!". The only ways to close it were to either shut down the computer or use Task Manager, which required me to close the entire internet browser and not just a single tab. Naturally, I opted for the latter of the two, but fact is, I lost over an hour of work on a post on a different forum, which I've yet to rewrite due to demoralization.

For the sake of the member, I won't reveal his identity, but this, among the topic aforementioned by rust, should perhaps be patrolled a bit more harshly. There are Global Moderators on AIM quite frequently, and there's at least one who interacts and witnesses these "jokes" quite often. My point is that perhaps these activities should be patrolled a bit more harshly. Like I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I understand that it's unfair to patrol this on AIM when forum consequences are given, but I believe it would help to ban/temp-ban these members from the URPG after a few warnings, as the majority of the URPG occurs on AIM, and these are the members who are engaging in such lame activities.

Also, discipline, would you not agree that it really takes an insecure person to post 2,000 posts on an internet forum and then joke about sex? If I were to interpret this myself, I would say that these people are really desperate for some sex, so they try to get as close as they possibly can by pretending to be gay and harassing other members of the forum on AIM with their crude jokes. You know, guys, you can always offer yourselves up as male prostitutes and get all the gay sex you want at any time.

If this post was too obscene for a Pokemon forum, I will gladly take it down.

[Ridley]

For example, one time I got very angry when I was IMed a link to a loop clip of fat, naked men having gay sex, and every time you tried to close it, a pop-up would show up reading "HELLO!".

Lulz at first that sounded like Lemonparty.

[Tory vs Meaty II]

Yeah, some people think that global moderators will know your password. I was an administrator on a vBulletin forum, and it is impossible to detect someone's password, unless you are a hacker.

So everyone is cool and safe. So don't worry about nothing.

[Black Label]

For example, one time I got very angry when I was IMed a link to a loop clip of fat, naked men having gay sex, and every time you tried to close it, a pop-up would show up reading "HELLO!". The only ways to close it were to either shut down the computer or use Task Manager, which required me to close the entire internet browser and not just a single tab. Naturally, I opted for the latter of the two, but fact is, I lost over an hour of work on a post on a different forum, which I've yet to rewrite due to demoralization.


I hated that too. It was so annoying, and people made fun of me because I clicked the link and called me gay and stuff because they said I like to watch it. >__<
I hate it when people pull that stuff.

[Volcanflame]

However, this isn't what I'm talking about... commonly, on AIM, certain members of the forums will make crude jokes about sex, such as mentioning users' (most usually his own) *****, or other jokes of that nature. For example, one time I got very angry when I was IMed a link to a loop clip of fat, naked men having gay sex, and every time you tried to close it, a pop-up would show up reading "HELLO!". The only ways to close it were to either shut down the computer or use Task Manager, which required me to close the entire internet browser and not just a single tab. Naturally, I opted for the latter of the two, but fact is, I lost over an hour of work on a post on a different forum, which I've yet to rewrite due to demoralization.

What happens on AIM ... stays on AIM. I don't think the mods have powers to warn members who flame/do nasty things to you over the AIM, why? Because it's AIM - not PE2K. Except for the "staff impersonating" thingy, because it's PE2K-related. I might be wrong.

-Volcan-

[Soda]

I think I might have to use my mod powers to lock this thread. :cool:

Anyways, I agree. I will be really mad if I got an infraction or something on PE2K for sending someone that link on AIM. Also I have proof that we should not be held accountable for our actions on AIM. At least not in the sense we would be banned, because I have some pics of certain G-Mods in the mix!! ANYWAYS the moral of the story is that don't complain to G-Mods about AIM because even if they ban the person they can still troll you on AIM. :)

[Lusitania]

While this is bad enough, there are other problems that I see on AIM that are perhaps less prevalent on the forums. I'm pretty sure AIM transactions shouldn't be accountable on the forums, but I have seen a rather popular member get temporarily banned for a comment in a URPG chat.

However, this isn't what I'm talking about... commonly, on AIM, certain members of the forums will make crude jokes about sex, such as mentioning users' (most usually his own) *****, or other jokes of that nature. For example, one time I got very angry when I was IMed a link to a loop clip of fat, naked men having gay sex, and every time you tried to close it, a pop-up would show up reading "HELLO!". The only ways to close it were to either shut down the computer or use Task Manager, which required me to close the entire internet browser and not just a single tab. Naturally, I opted for the latter of the two, but fact is, I lost over an hour of work on a post on a different forum, which I've yet to rewrite due to demoralization.

For the sake of the member, I won't reveal his identity, but this, among the topic aforementioned by rust, should perhaps be patrolled a bit more harshly. There are Global Moderators on AIM quite frequently, and there's at least one who interacts and witnesses these "jokes" quite often. My point is that perhaps these activities should be patrolled a bit more harshly. Like I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I understand that it's unfair to patrol this on AIM when forum consequences are given, but I believe it would help to ban/temp-ban these members from the URPG after a few warnings, as the majority of the URPG occurs on AIM, and these are the members who are engaging in such lame activities.

Also, discipline, would you not agree that it really takes an insecure person to post 2,000 posts on an internet forum and then joke about sex? If I were to interpret this myself, I would say that these people are really desperate for some sex, so they try to get as close as they possibly can by pretending to be gay and harassing other members of the forum on AIM with their crude jokes. You know, guys, you can always offer yourselves up as male prostitutes and get all the gay sex you want at any time.

If this post was too obscene for a Pokemon forum, I will gladly take it down.

*solitary clapping* Agreed

Lulz at first that sounded like Lemonparty.

...and you know that...how?

I hated that too. It was so annoying, and people made fun of me because I clicked the link and called me gay and stuff because they said I like to watch it. >__<
I hate it when people pull that stuff.

Today's lesson: don't click random AIM links.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

Lulz at first that sounded like Lemonparty.

Eh, what's that?

*solitary clapping* Agreed



...and you know that...how?



Today's lesson: don't click random AIM links.

Hey, I agree too. >:O

@WMBQ: :clap:

And today's lesson is actually... not to IM at all. :X

[Realityxxx]

That's just sick. Who'd do this anyway, let alone on a Pokémon forum? =/

[Lord Celebi]

What happens on AIM ... stays on AIM. I don't think the mods have powers to warn members who flame/do nasty things to you over the AIM, why? Because it's AIM - not PE2K. Except for the "staff impersonating" thingy, because it's PE2K-related. I might be wrong.

-Volcan-

Sort of. The only reason Staff Impersonation is an exception is because it directly affects the forum.

And I've learned to never click links on AIM ever.

[Dr Scott]

Yeah, what happens in AIM stays in AIM, and we have no real right to do anything with that unless it affects the forum. Hence why I often say 'take it to AIM' when people are arguing, or something like that.

So, all I can say is to just ignore the idiots like that. There is a block button on AIM and every other messenger, and it can be put well into use :P.

[Starkipraggy]

Sort of. The only reason Staff Impersonation is an exception is because it directly affects the forum.

And I've learned to never click links on AIM ever.
I generally click anyway to get a good laugh at myself.

If I got the gay sex one though, you can probably hear someone screaming G Gundam lines half the world away.

見よ！東方は赤く燃えている！

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

I generally click anyway to get a good laugh at myself.

If I got the gay sex one though, you can probably hear someone screaming G Gundam lines half the world away.

見よ！東方は赤く燃えている！

I'd ignore the pop-up, then... leave it open until I finished all my stuff. Then close everything. If I ever went on. But I don't. :X

Funny how I hear people get banned here for non-PE2K related AIM-or-whatever stuff, though. :X

[Volcanflame]

Funny how I hear people get banned here for non-PE2K related AIM-or-whatever stuff, though. :X
Really? o_O Examples, please.

Just like Starki, I click links for some laugh. Or not.

-Volcan-

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

Really? o_O Examples, please.

Just like Starki, I click links for some laugh. Or not.

-Volcan-

I don't know. I said I heard. :X

[Lord Celebi]

I don't know. I said I heard. :X
If you're referring to Ierdar, he got banned because he insulted Ryan (the admin) over AIM.

[DaRkUmBrEoN]

While this is bad enough, there are other problems that I see on AIM that are perhaps less prevalent on the forums. I'm pretty sure AIM transactions shouldn't be accountable on the forums, but I have seen a rather popular member get temporarily banned for a comment in a URPG chat.

However, this isn't what I'm talking about... commonly, on AIM, certain members of the forums will make crude jokes about sex, such as mentioning users' (most usually his own) *****, or other jokes of that nature. For example, one time I got very angry when I was IMed a link to a loop clip of fat, naked men having gay sex, and every time you tried to close it, a pop-up would show up reading "HELLO!". The only ways to close it were to either shut down the computer or use Task Manager, which required me to close the entire internet browser and not just a single tab. Naturally, I opted for the latter of the two, but fact is, I lost over an hour of work on a post on a different forum, which I've yet to rewrite due to demoralization.

For the sake of the member, I won't reveal his identity, but this, among the topic aforementioned by rust, should perhaps be patrolled a bit more harshly. There are Global Moderators on AIM quite frequently, and there's at least one who interacts and witnesses these "jokes" quite often. My point is that perhaps these activities should be patrolled a bit more harshly. Like I mentioned at the beginning of this post, I understand that it's unfair to patrol this on AIM when forum consequences are given, but I believe it would help to ban/temp-ban these members from the URPG after a few warnings, as the majority of the URPG occurs on AIM, and these are the members who are engaging in such lame activities.

Also, discipline, would you not agree that it really takes an insecure person to post 2,000 posts on an internet forum and then joke about sex? If I were to interpret this myself, I would say that these people are really desperate for some sex, so they try to get as close as they possibly can by pretending to be gay and harassing other members of the forum on AIM with their crude jokes. You know, guys, you can always offer yourselves up as male prostitutes and get all the gay sex you want at any time.

If this post was too obscene for a Pokemon forum, I will gladly take it down.
I love the notion of them getting banned on pe2k would stop them from doing that kind of stuff to anyone on AIM.

The reason why we opt to only include mod impersonation is cause that does somewhat stop when banned. Being a total ass on AIM doesn't stop with a ban, how hard you may try to believe it does. Using the built-in feature called 'the ignore button' does.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

If you're referring to Ierdar, he got banned because he insulted Ryan (the admin) over AIM.

Oh, I see.

I don't know if there are any others, though...

[Neo Pikachu]

Its really clear something needs to be done, because I’ve seen unaware members get banned on PE2K because something done on AIM lead them into breaking the rules on PE2K. Not to mention, AIM has always been the medium that spam raiders use to raise havoc on the forum. I’ve always hated it for that, and that’s mainly the reason why I don’t log on. Plenty of members that were banned on PE2K still hang around the PE2K chats, and unfortunately, there’s nothing the mod team can do about them. All I can say is beware of them, they got banned for very good reasons, and many of them have been banned multiple times.

Therefore, I think the rule that states a member can’t be held responsible for what they do on AIM should be killed off. If the chat is between two PE2K members, then it’s a PE2K interaction, and the forum is connected. If the chat is in an AIM chatroom that is clearly labeled PE2K Chat or some variation of that, then it’s a PE2K interaction, and the forum is connected. Therefore, if the rules are broken while a mod is present and can be an eyewitness to the rule breaking, I would say that’s ground for punishment.

Unfortunately, AIM chat logs can be faked and forged, not to mention screenshots can be photoshopped very easy. I myself know how its done.

Therefore, we should probably have the following.

We need a list of AIM names and what member names connect to them. Therefore, if you get AIMed by someone and who don’t know who they are, you can look up to see who they connect with. Also, you can see if the member who is IMing you is a banned member of PE2K. Sure, they can change their AIM name, but if you don’t find that AIM name on the list and you don’t know who it is, use your wisdom and don’t trust the person right off the bat. People don’t usually change their AIM names unless they’re trying to hide something or evade something.

My only thing is… I have a feeling this list will be huge and will be hard to update. But seriously guys, beware of what you see on AIM. Its an ugly place, and I avoid it for good reasons…

[Lusitania]

Its really clear something needs to be done, because I’ve seen unaware members get banned on PE2K because something done on AIM lead them into breaking the rules on PE2K. Not to mention, AIM has always been the medium that spam raiders use to raise havoc on the forum. I’ve always hated it for that, and that’s mainly the reason why I don’t log on. Plenty of members that were banned on PE2K still hang around the PE2K chats, and unfortunately, there’s nothing the mod team can do about them. All I can say is beware of them, they got banned for very good reasons, and many of them have been banned multiple times.

Therefore, I think the rule that states a member can’t be held responsible for what they do on AIM should be killed off. If the chat is between two PE2K members, then it’s a PE2K interaction, and the forum is connected. If the chat is in an AIM chatroom that is clearly labeled PE2K Chat or some variation of that, then it’s a PE2K interaction, and the forum is connected. Therefore, if the rules are broken while a mod is present and can be an eyewitness to the rule breaking, I would say that’s ground for punishment.

Unfortunately, AIM chat logs can be faked and forged, not to mention screenshots can be photoshopped very easy. I myself know how its done.

Therefore, we should probably have the following.

We need a list of AIM names and what member names connect to them. Therefore, if you get AIMed by someone and who don’t know who they are, you can look up to see who they connect with. Also, you can see if the member who is IMing you is a banned member of PE2K. Sure, they can change their AIM name, but if you don’t find that AIM name on the list and you don’t know who it is, use your wisdom and don’t trust the person right off the bat. People don’t usually change their AIM names unless they’re trying to hide something or evade something.

My only thing is… I have a feeling this list will be huge and will be hard to update. But seriously guys, beware of what you see on AIM. Its an ugly place, and I avoid it for good reasons…

Neo, I completely agree. It's just, while it's between two PE2K members over a private chat, it'll be kinda hard to catch. I mean, there's no mod to witness it, and one person can easily say "He forged that conversation," as the other person can say "He said this to me [insert flaming here].

Oh, and I'll help if you need it :3 I have a ton of AIMs. Mine is Robertio123. Oh, and Adrenaline sexually harrassed me, but that's besides the point ;_;

[TheDarkEevee]

This is stupid. Why would anyone do this?

[kingrptr101]

Its really clear something needs to be done, because I’ve seen unaware members get banned on PE2K because something done on AIM lead them into breaking the rules on PE2K. Not to mention, AIM has always been the medium that spam raiders use to raise havoc on the forum. I’ve always hated it for that, and that’s mainly the reason why I don’t log on.

When was the last time you were in an AIM chat? Thought so. See the thing about AIM chats is everyone talks about the BAD and never about the good laughs everyone has gotten out of them.

Therefore, I think the rule that states a member can’t be held responsible for what they do on AIM should be killed off. If the chat is between two PE2K members, then it’s a PE2K interaction, and the forum is connected.

That doesn't make any sense at all. AIM =/= PE2K. Next thing you know, if I met a PE2K member in real life and we flamed another PE2K member, it would be considered a "PE2K interaction" and we should be banned for flaming. I mean come on, if it's off the forum, it's off the forum. :l

Therefore, if the rules are broken while a mod is present and can be an eyewitness to the rule breaking, I would say that’s ground for punishment. Unfortunately, AIM chat logs can be faked and forged, not to mention screenshots can be photoshopped very easy. I myself know how its done.

So if a mod has a grudge against a member, all he/she has to do is post a fake chat log and the member gets banned?

We need a list of AIM names and what member names connect to them. Therefore, if you get AIMed by someone and who don’t know who they are, you can look up to see who they connect with. Also, you can see if the member who is IMing you is a banned member of PE2K. Sure, they can change their AIM name, but if you don’t find that AIM name on the list and you don’t know who it is, use your wisdom and don’t trust the person right off the bat. People don’t usually change their AIM names unless they’re trying to hide something or evade something.

lol, good luck keeping that updated with the hundreds of people that come here.

Oh, and Adrenaline sexually harrassed me, but that's besides the point ;_;

...lmao

This is stupid. Why would anyone do this?

I might get banned for saying this but I personally think it's funny when a guy is really dumb enough to give out his or her username and password to who they think is a mod. It's really common knowledge that a moderator on any forum or any where will never ask for your password.

[The Jr Trainer]

Its really clear something needs to be done, because I’ve seen unaware members get banned on PE2K because something done on AIM lead them into breaking the rules on PE2K. Not to mention, AIM has always been the medium that spam raiders use to raise havoc on the forum. I’ve always hated it for that, and that’s mainly the reason why I don’t log on. Plenty of members that were banned on PE2K still hang around the PE2K chats, and unfortunately, there’s nothing the mod team can do about them. All I can say is beware of them, they got banned for very good reasons, and many of them have been banned multiple times.

Therefore, I think the rule that states a member can’t be held responsible for what they do on AIM should be killed off. If the chat is between two PE2K members, then it’s a PE2K interaction, and the forum is connected. If the chat is in an AIM chatroom that is clearly labeled PE2K Chat or some variation of that, then it’s a PE2K interaction, and the forum is connected. Therefore, if the rules are broken while a mod is present and can be an eyewitness to the rule breaking, I would say that’s ground for punishment.

Unfortunately, AIM chat logs can be faked and forged, not to mention screenshots can be photoshopped very easy. I myself know how its done.

Therefore, we should probably have the following.

We need a list of AIM names and what member names connect to them. Therefore, if you get AIMed by someone and who don’t know who they are, you can look up to see who they connect with. Also, you can see if the member who is IMing you is a banned member of PE2K. Sure, they can change their AIM name, but if you don’t find that AIM name on the list and you don’t know who it is, use your wisdom and don’t trust the person right off the bat. People don’t usually change their AIM names unless they’re trying to hide something or evade something.

My only thing is… I have a feeling this list will be huge and will be hard to update. But seriously guys, beware of what you see on AIM. Its an ugly place, and I avoid it for good reasons…

Why? Plenty of PE2k-ers talk to each other over AIM and at entertained by each other, there is not a single reason why anything like this should be implicated. So what if spammers begin their raid on PE2k in AIM; most of them are banned members anyways, you cannot stop them from being banned once again. Plus, if you never log on AIM you do not even have a single clue what AIM Chats are about, 80% of the time they're not even PE2k related, at most the ones that are URPG chats.

The people from PE2k that talk to each other on AIM don't always discusss PE2k, you seem to have that stuck in your head. We're all really friends, actually, as if we know each other in real life. AIM =/= PE2k, nor should it ever even be considered to be connected in any way, shape, or form.

A list of AIM names? Ha. Good luck, people change their names all the time and not everyone has the time to post their AIM name every time they change it, plus I would find it ignored as the AIM names of Refs in the URPG is. Even if this thread is stickied and whatnot.

Plus, it's really common sense ... if you're IMing someone on AIM then you should probably know who it is before you even begin to IM them.

[Neo Pikachu]

When was the last time you were in an AIM chat? Thought so. See the thing about AIM chats is everyone talks about the BAD and never about the good laughs everyone has gotten out of them.

Excuse me, but I've been at this forum WAY longer than you have. Yes, its been a while since I'm been in a PE2K chat, but they've NEVER changed, and judging by what other members and mods are telling me, they still haven't, and what they're saying is incredibly easy to believe as well knowing I've seen it from years past.

Truthfully, AIM always brings out the ugly side of people. One minute, I think the person is one of the nicest and coolest people on PE2K, and then I see them talking about pornographic garbage on AIM which totally makes me lose all respect for them. Seriously, I'd rather not go through that anymore.

That doesn't make any sense at all. AIM =/= PE2K. Next thing you know, if I met a PE2K member in real life and we flamed another PE2K member, it would be considered a "PE2K interaction" and we should be banned for flaming. I mean come on, if it's off the forum, it's off the forum. :l

It still involves the forum. When people use AIM to get members to harass others or when banned members trick a member into violating PE2K rules, yes, AIM does become a link to PE2K and it becomes a part of the problem.

Besides, Ryan himself has banned members for AIM-related actions. Truthfully, the whole rule that people believe AIM isn't related to PE2K is really just a myth. People need to stop treating that like it is a rule, because it's not.

So if a mod has a grudge against a member, all he/she has to do is post a fake chat log and the member gets banned?

Wow, you really think we'd stoop that low? We didn't become mods pulling crap like that. We're way more mature than you think we are.

lol, good luck keeping that updated with the hundreds of people that come here.

...lmao

I never said it would be easy. Truthfully, people should just look at people's PE2K profiles for their actual AIM name, but most people don't do that.

I might get banned for saying this but I personally think it's funny when a guy is really dumb enough to give out his or her username and password to who they think is a mod. It's really common knowledge that a moderator on any forum or any where will never ask for your password.

Some members are young and/or are too trusting. That doesn't make them dumb. Its not our fault some people are jerks on AIM and would love nothing more than to see PE2K fall to pieces one member at a time.

Why? Plenty of PE2k-ers talk to each other over AIM and at entertained by each other, there is not a single reason why anything like this should be implicated. So what if spammers begin their raid on PE2k in AIM; most of them are banned members anyways, you cannot stop them from being banned once again. Plus, if you never log on AIM you do not even have a single clue what AIM Chats are about, 80% of the time they're not even PE2k related, at most the ones that are URPG chats.

Again, I've been here way longer than you have, I know what goes on in AIM chat, as long as the same people go to it, it never changes. Most of the time its either pornographic chat or its berating some member.

The people from PE2k that talk to each other on AIM don't always discusss PE2k, you seem to have that stuck in your head. We're all really friends, actually, as if we know each other in real life. AIM =/= PE2k, nor should it ever even be considered to be connected in any way, shape, or form.

What about when it IS discussed? You seem to be mistaken about that as well. I've seen plenty of forum-related disasters happen because of something that happened on AIM. If you don't think they're connected, you probably haven't been here long enough.

Like it or not, they're connected and the mods and Ryan himself treat it that way. Deal with it.

A list of AIM names? Ha. Good luck, people change their names all the time and not everyone has the time to post their AIM name every time they change it, plus I would find it ignored as the AIM names of Refs in the URPG is. Even if this thread is stickied and whatnot.

Hey, just trying to be helpful. You don't want it, that's fine with me.

Plus, it's really common sense ... if you're IMing someone on AIM then you should probably know who it is before you even begin to IM them.

Of course, but with the PE2K chats, it could be filled with people you don't know. That's where trying to implement that policy could be harder.

[Fire Away]

If we're now banning people for AIM interactions then several mods need to go. I'm not believing that any of the goderators would let that happen, so this rule will never come to pass anyways. :rolleyes:

[kingrptr101]

Excuse me, but I've been at this forum WAY longer than you have. Yes, its been a while since I'm been in a PE2K chat, but they've NEVER changed, and judging by what other members and mods are telling me, they still haven't, and what they're saying is incredibly easy to believe as well knowing I've seen it from years past.

Truthfully, AIM always brings out the ugly side of people. One minute, I think the person is one of the nicest and coolest people on PE2K, and then I see them talking about pornographic garbage on AIM which totally makes me lose all respect for them. Seriously, I'd rather not go through that anymore.


Wow, you really think we'd stoop that low? We didn't become mods pulling crap like that. We're way more mature than you think we are.


This is exactly my point. Have you even seen half the **** rust says in AIM chats? Also, are you aware than PK had his temporary ban extended for "Mod impersonation" when he wasn't even involved in impersonating a mod?

It still involves the forum. When people use AIM to get members to harass others or when banned members trick a member into violating PE2K rules, yes, AIM does become a link to PE2K and it becomes a part of the problem.

Besides, Ryan himself has banned members for AIM-related actions. Truthfully, the whole rule that people believe AIM isn't related to PE2K is really just a myth. People need to stop treating that like it is a rule, because it's not.

So then my example of a real life meeting would warrant for a member to be banned? Also, if AIM is related to PE2K, if I go to aim.com, I should see something indicating AOL's affiliation with PE2K, right?

[DaRkUmBrEoN]

If we're now banning people for AIM interactions then several mods need to go. I'm not believing that any of the goderators would let that happen, so this rule will never come to pass anyways. :rolleyes:
Sorry, Neo, but going by your logic, and I hate pulling this one, Drift should've been banned when she made that blog entry. Yes, it was on her personal blog, but we ended up reading it, which made it a PE2K interaction, and to your standards it's banworthy.

And yea, FA is right. If we enforced that, half the staff would have to go.

And I think everyone caught impersonating a mod is A. stupid to get caught and B. stupid to expect they won't be banned.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

We need a list of AIM names and what member names connect to them. Therefore, if you get AIMed by someone and who don’t know who they are, you can look up to see who they connect with. Also, you can see if the member who is IMing you is a banned member of PE2K. Sure, they can change their AIM name, but if you don’t find that AIM name on the list and you don’t know who it is, use your wisdom and don’t trust the person right off the bat. People don’t usually change their AIM names unless they’re trying to hide something or evade something.

My only thing is… I have a feeling this list will be huge and will be hard to update. But seriously guys, beware of what you see on AIM. Its an ugly place, and I avoid it for good reasons…

Hmm... putting it on the members' listing pages should make it much easier.

[Neo Pikachu]

Then why are we bothering with this announcement anyway? Might as well just leave it as "don't believe everything you see on AIM." Or "go on AIM at your own risk."

To be honest, members impersonating staff members is actually pretty mild in comparison to some of the other stuff I've seen from the past. But if we're not banning for that, why ban for this then? And if people feel AIM and PE2K aren't connected, then why is this here?

[Fire Away]

Then why are we bothering with this announcement anyway? Might as well just leave it as "don't believe everything you see on AIM." Or "go on AIM at your own risk."

I agree, that's what it should be left as. In fact that basically belongs on the AIM website (as well as any other IM client)

To be honest, members impersonating staff members is actually pretty mild in comparison to some of the other stuff I've seen from the past. But if we're not banning for that, why ban for this then? And if people feel AIM and PE2K aren't connected, then why is this here?

Because apparently not everyone feels that PE2K and AIM aren't connected? Because this is a public forum where things should be discussed before a decision is made?

Discussion and trying to see things from other points of view is important.

[Angela]

First of all I need to say, I hate PE2K members on aim, you all just act like idiots, what the hell is wrong with you when it comes to aim, I freaking hate aiming with PE2K members, and frankly I don't care to get into a PM conversation with the lot of you.

Now I have a question, a member harasses me on aim, I ignore him, he spends the next two months after that creating new accounts and adds me and harasses me, what can one call that?

Then that same member tells me he loves me over aim, how effing pathetic is that, that member is P25K, he has so many clone accounts, and when I report things that happen over aim some mod's tell me it doesn't matter, will that changes now?

I'm all for punishing members for what they do over aim, because, some of you are idiots that don't know how to communicate with others without insulting the person your trying to talk to.

Can people get punished for stalking members over aim now?





Therefore, I think the rule that states a member can’t be held responsible for what they do on AIM should be killed off.



I think so too, members act like idiots on aim because they think they won't get into any trouble for acting like maniacs on aim.


I'll happily give you my aim for that list, but there is one thing, some members won't be as willing to give their aim over to you.

[Azure]

IMO people who get fooled that easily are just plain stupid.

[Dr Scott]

It's too easy to counter idiots in AIM to make a big deal about it, really. Block them or don't join the chats is all you'd need to do. Though come on guys, leave the little kids alone ... Make fun of and bother us older folks all you want, but when you do it to little kids it's a little ... sick.

I doubt half the staff would have been bad enough to warrant a ban, though.

[Mitsuzo-kun]

*mindless rant*

You can't just say "oh I hate pe2k members with AIM, you all just act like idiots" simply because that's such a huge generalisation. You're a pe2k and apparently you have AIM, so are you an idiot?

To be honest, there isn't much you can do about a situation like this. Just don't speak to people that you don't know and trust. If you don't recognise the SN, chances are you don't know them.

And lol @ "half the staff would have to go". :P

[Fire Away]

I doubt half the staff would have been bad enough to warrant a ban, though.

I know, right? I mean, a moderator doing something wrong, obviously a dozen people are just making things up.

Geez guys, if you're going to make up a story at least make it something that could actually happen ever in real life.

Honestly, a moderator doing something wrong...you kids!

[Loyal Arcanine]

Neo, you're way off track here. What happens on AIM stays on AIM. Now Ierdar is a different situation, because he badly insulted the admin, who wether you like it or not is simply God on this forum. If I had my own forum and a member would continously insult me like that via messenger, I wouldn't hesitate to ban them.

As for this announcement, I actually disagree with your statement that this is the same as or less bad than past actions on AIM. When people use AIM to get innocent PE2k members banned from PE2k, it's obvious the AIM/PE2k border is being crossed.

@ King: As for PK, I myself saw him suggest that random new members from the DP section should be IMed while pretending to be moderators, so he wasn't that innocent.

[Orange_Flaaffy]

To me AIM and PE2K are two different things. If a site has its own chat rooms on the site itself (I actually learned about the PE2K forums and site back when I was nineteen when I fell into the PE2K forums myself :3) then that is a whole different hill of beans because it is in my mind still run by the rules of the main site simple because it is a part of it. But, while someone could say hurtful things on AIM they could just as well do the same on their blog, or on youtube, or anywhere else on the internet :\.
I'm not supporting lawlessness but if someone is troubling you on AIM it isn't that hard to block them and forget about them like I've done many times :). If they drag it online onto PE2K itself (the chat rooms or the forums) then you have every right to call down The Mallet of Truth and watch the mods ban them into next week IMHO :3. But up until then I think you just have to pick your battles. There will always be low down roomer loving soul eaters online :P. It doesn't give them the right to be of course but if you know the mods well enough I think you can tell the real person from someone just saying they are them (Rule of thumb: Never give out passwords, ever. To anyone. If they are high enough on the site to where they need it for any reason they will already have it IMHO :) )

[Dr Scott]

I know, right? I mean, a moderator doing something wrong, obviously a dozen people are just making things up.

Geez guys, if you're going to make up a story at least make it something that could actually happen ever in real life.

Honestly, a moderator doing something wrong...you kids!

There's a major difference between being an idiot on AIM and being enough of an idiot to get banned for it, and I highly doubt that HALF of us have been that stupid.

You seem to think I'm saying none of us have ever said anything bad on AIM or done anything stupid, which isn't the case. But, I can't say I'm surprised, hear what you want to hear and whatnot.

[-Pichu Boy-]

Neo, you're way off track here. What happens on AIM stays on AIM. Now Ierdar is a different situation, because he badly insulted the admin, who wether you like it or not is simply God on this forum. If I had my own forum and a member would continously insult me like that via messenger, I wouldn't hesitate to ban them.

As for this announcement, I actually disagree with your statement that this is the same as or less bad than past actions on AIM. When people use AIM to get innocent PE2k members banned from PE2k, it's obvious the AIM/PE2k border is being crossed.

@ King: As for PK, I myself saw him suggest that random new members from the DP section should be IMed while pretending to be moderators, so he wasn't that innocent.

Ah, but did the insult bring up Pe2k at all? Because if not, then that would be a ban out of a grudge which is exactly what Neo said no mod would ever do. I don't see why the Admin should be able to do that if he doesn't do it for every member that gets insulted. Mind you, then the majority of the forum would be banned.

From what I've seen on this thread, there needs to be some distinction between what is the 'AIM/PE2K border'. Is it when people are getting others banned unfairly? Or is it when people are continuously harrassing another member?

Just thought I'd give my opinion here...

[Lusitania]

Sorry, Neo, but going by your logic, and I hate pulling this one, Drift should've been banned when she made that blog entry. Yes, it was on her personal blog, but we ended up reading it, which made it a PE2K interaction, and to your standards it's banworthy.

And yea, FA is right. If we enforced that, half the staff would have to go.

And I think everyone caught impersonating a mod is A. stupid to get caught and B. stupid to expect they won't be banned.

Well, really, I don't think that the mods would do that. Some of them would (we all know the true side of rust), but that simply weeds out the bad and leabes the good left. In my opinion, that might actually be a good thing.

Then why are we bothering with this announcement anyway? Might as well just leave it as "don't believe everything you see on AIM." Or "go on AIM at your own risk."

To be honest, members impersonating staff members is actually pretty mild in comparison to some of the other stuff I've seen from the past. But if we're not banning for that, why ban for this then? And if people feel AIM and PE2K aren't connected, then why is this here?
Yea, I agree. I learned my lesson with chats from the time when PK got me to click on a gay donkey porn :/
First of all I need to say, I hate PE2K members on aim, you all just act like idiots, what the hell is wrong with you when it comes to aim, I freaking hate aiming with PE2K members, and frankly I don't care to get into a PM conversation with the lot of you.

Now I have a question, a member harasses me on aim, I ignore him, he spends the next two months after that creating new accounts and adds me and harasses me, what can one call that?

Then that same member tells me he loves me over aim, how effing pathetic is that, that member is P25K, he has so many clone accounts, and when I report things that happen over aim some mod's tell me it doesn't matter, will that changes now?

I'm all for punishing members for what they do over aim, because, some of you are idiots that don't know how to communicate with others without insulting the person your trying to talk to.

Can people get punished for stalking members over aim now?






I think so too, members act like idiots on aim because they think they won't get into any trouble for acting like maniacs on aim.


I'll happily give you my aim for that list, but there is one thing, some members won't be as willing to give their aim over to you.

Technically, if someone does that, I guess you could get them reported to the authorities if the planets align right. But I agree.



You can't just say "oh I hate pe2k members with AIM, you all just act like idiots" simply because that's such a huge generalisation. You're a pe2k and apparently you have AIM, so are you an idiot?

To be honest, there isn't much you can do about a situation like this. Just don't speak to people that you don't know and trust. If you don't recognise the SN, chances are you don't know them.

And lol @ "half the staff would have to go". :P
I agree with the comment at the beging. I don't act like an idiot (most of the time >>)
I know, right? I mean, a moderator doing something wrong, obviously a dozen people are just making things up.

Geez guys, if you're going to make up a story at least make it something that could actually happen ever in real life.

Honestly, a moderator doing something wrong...you kids!
Your sarcasm phailed epikly.

First of all, if we don't do this to all chats between two PE2K members or a PE2K related chats, we have to limit it to one thing: URPG related things. Alot of this stuff happens in battles and FFAs. Usually it happens in FFAs, but it can happen in battles as well.

Also, just use common sense on AIM. Don't go donkey on anyone, don't major insult, and don't flame on the mods. You have to think what you say before you do. Also, just hang out with your friends on AIM. I personally don't like chats or FFAs. Too much crap goes on. I just stick to talking to my friends.

Also, a way to decide that this is PE2K related is the fact that most people will get the screen names from other people normally on PE2K. I think this is a good idea. Don't ruin it so you can keep flaming and donkeying on AIM. Also, apply this to other instant messaging system :3

[Haze]

Your sarcasm phailed epikly.First of all, if we don't do this to all chats between two PE2K members or a PE2K related chats, we have to limit it to one thing: URPG related things. Alot of this stuff happens in battles and FFAs. Usually it happens in FFAs, but it can happen in battles as well.

Also, just use common sense on AIM. Don't go donkey on anyone, don't major insult, and don't flame on the mods. You have to think what you say before you do. Also, just hang out with your friends on AIM. I personally don't like chats or FFAs. Too much crap goes on. I just stick to talking to my friends.

Also, a way to decide that this is PE2K related is the fact that most people will get the screen names from other people normally on PE2K. I think this is a good idea. Don't ruin it so you can keep flaming and donkeying on AIM. Also, apply this to other instant messaging system :3

I really don't think you should be the one talking about watch what you say, because I've seen you in AIM chats. You were probably one of the worst ones in the few chats I've seen you be a part of. You constantly harp on PK tricking you into doing stuff, but you could just check the link before you click it.

And I agree with DU :3

[kingrptr101]

Cipher, you really aren't one to talk. All you do is come into AIM chats, spam it up and get everyone pissed off at you. You flame people in AIM chats and when someone tricks you into clicking a link, what do you do? You come in here to cry, complain, whine and pout about how people on AIM should be banned on the forum when you deserve to be banned just as much as anyone else.

[Lusitania]

Cipher, you really aren't one to talk. All you do is come into AIM chats, spam it up and get everyone pissed off at you. You flame people in AIM chats and when someone tricks you into clicking a link, what do you do? You come in here to cry, complain, whine and pout about how people on AIM should be banned on the forum when you deserve to be banned just as much as anyone else.

First of all, I think it is sort of hypocritical to say that I do something while you do it maybe, I don't know, ten fold as a rough estimate. Sure, hypocritical I may be, I don't do it unprovoked. Also, I think what I've done pales in comparison to what any other member of the forum has done (barring many respectable ones). And there's a difference between spamming in something that chances are will not be viewed again, and making someone view donkey porn may or may not mentally scar them for life.

I really don't think you should be the one talking about watch what you say, because I've seen you in AIM chats. You were probably one of the worst ones in the few chats I've seen you be a part of. You constantly harp on PK tricking you into doing stuff, but you could just check the link before you click it.

And I agree with DU :3

Who tricks people into viewing donkey porn? Besides the ones that do, of course. And yes, I was bad, but I've decided screw AIM chats from now on. Also, it may be a nice thing to realize that one of the main purposes of these 'chats' is to practically spam, flame, and otherwise troll into oblivion. And, whatever that you agree with DU, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Let it be known that : I am a hypocrite, I have only been in two AIM chats EVER, and I turned down an invo to an FFA today. Which is like a chat.

[kingrptr101]

First of all, I think it is sort of hypocritical to say that I do something while you do it maybe, I don't know, ten fold as a rough estimate.

I do what? I don't spam chats and act like a sixth grader. Oh wait, you are a sixth grader. Maybe the LAW stating that you must be 13 years or older to join an internet forum should be enforced.

Sure, hypocritical I may be, I don't do it unprovoked.

Yea, you do it unprovoked.

Also, I think what I've done pales in comparison to what any other member of the forum has done (barring many respectable ones). And there's a difference between spamming in something that chances are will not be viewed again, and making someone view donkey porn, which, unless they are homosexual, may or may not mentally scar them for life.

You don't even know what a homosexual is do you?

[Soda]

I'm gonna start using that word, 'donkeying'.

You guys are really, really annoying. Cipher I've seen you in chats and you are always being mean to people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean hypothetically if I linked someone to some animal porn in an ffa would I get in trouble!? THIS IS TOTALLY HYPOTHETICAL!!! NYYA

[Mitsuzo-kun]

First of all, I think it is sort of hypocritical to say that I do something while you do it maybe, I don't know, ten fold as a rough estimate. Sure, hypocritical I may be, I don't do it unprovoked. Also, I think what I've done pales in comparison to what any other member of the forum has done (barring many respectable ones). And there's a difference between spamming in something that chances are will not be viewed again, and making someone view donkey porn, which, unless they are homosexual, may or may not mentally scar them for life.

I've put up with reading all of the garbage that you've written, but this has crossed the line now. How the hell can you establish a link between gay people and enjoying donkey porn? That is probably one of the most derogative things I have ever read in my entire life. That's disgusting. You make me feel sick. Beastiality is horrific and disgusting, and to even link that anywhere near to homosexuality is narrow-minded, absolutely idiotic, and just gross.

Btw what you just said is, in my eyes, more bannable than "idiotic" AIM chats kthx.

Oh, and I agree with DU also. ;3

[Lusitania]

@all of you

I believe I may have been the word 'donkey porn' in the wrong context, and for this, I apologize. I was under the impression that the expression 'donkey porn' means to 'trick someone into watching unwanted porn'. I took this from the fact that a donkey is usually considered as 'dumb' and that a person to not check the link would be 'dumb' or foolish' (flame away). Again, I apologize for the wrong usage of the word/phrase.

And yes, beastiality is disgusting, and illegal....? Correct?

@King: I recall nothing forcing me to verify my age before joining this forum.


Also, again, I apologize.

EDIT: Also, to make a point, even if that was my opinion (which it is not), I could not be reprimanded for it. I was not intending to spam, troll, or flame anyone with it, and as such am protected by the first amendment of the Constitution of the Untited States, as I am a citizen of the USA, and this is an America based site.

[Mitsuzo-kun]

And yes, beastiality is disgusting, and illegal....? Correct?

Yes, "correct" indeed. My beef is that you linked beastiality with gay people. How are the two even remotely similar? >:/ Comparing the two is both degrading and demoralising to homosexuals.

[Lusitania]

I understand that in your rage you may have skipped over a large amount of your post. I don't blame you for this, and cannot say I wouldn't do the same. So, please read the following post that I made before you posted.

And yet again, I do apologize. I have no 'beef' against homosexuals. I actually am close with a friend of my mother who is indeed homosexual. She is not any less of a person than I, and I had no idea she was until my father told me.

@all of you

I believe I may have been the word 'donkey porn' in the wrong context, and for this, I apologize. I was under the impression that the expression 'donkey porn' means to 'trick someone into watching unwanted porn'. I took this from the fact that a donkey is usually considered as 'dumb' and that a person to not check the link would be 'dumb' or foolish' (flame away). Again, I apologize for the wrong usage of the word/phrase.

And yes, beastiality is disgusting, and illegal....? Correct?

@King: I recall nothing forcing me to verify my age before joining this forum.


Also, again, I apologize.

EDIT: Also, to make a point, even if that was my opinion (which it is not), I could not be reprimanded for it. I was not intending to spam, troll, or flame anyone with it, and as such am protected by the first amendment of the Constitution of the Untited States, as I am a citizen of the USA, and this is an America based site.



Yes, "correct" indeed. My beef is that you linked beastiality with gay people. How are the two even remotely similar? >:/ Comparing the two is both degrading and demoralising to homosexuals.

[Soda]

EDIT: Also, to make a point, even if that was my opinion (which it is not), I could not be reprimanded for it. I was not intending to spam, troll, or flame anyone with it, and as such am protected by the first amendment of the Constitution of the Untited States, as I am a citizen of the USA, and this is an America based site.

**** **** ******* ******

Tell that to the constitution.

[kingrptr101]

@King: I recall nothing forcing me to verify my age before joining this forum.

My point exactly.

EDIT: Also, to make a point, even if that was my opinion (which it is not), I could not be reprimanded for it. I was not intending to spam, troll, or flame anyone with it, and as such am protected by the first amendment of the Constitution of the Untited States, as I am a citizen of the USA, and this is an America based site.

...what does the first amendment have to do with anything?

[Haze]

EDIT: Also, to make a point, even if that was my opinion (which it is not), I could not be reprimanded for it. I was not intending to spam, troll, or flame anyone with it, and as such am protected by the first amendment of the Constitution of the Untited States, as I am a citizen of the USA, and this is an America based site.

Ok so I can say whatever I want to you with no repercussions for my actions?

[Xalapeno]

Also, again, I apologize.

There wouldn't be need to apologize for anything had you not done it in the first place:tongue:

Oh hi.

I like how we went from talking about staff impersonation to porn.

K, my question is why do some people feel the need to be idiots?

We as humans claim to be civilized and above all other beings.
Where is the proof to back this up?
From what I've seen in this thread so far, there is none.
We can't even stay on topic.:ermm:
Lol the first amendment.
Cipher, you do realize that even if you are a U.S. citizen and you go to another country and break their laws, you are also subject to their punishments.

Like the flogging of that idiot Michael Fay.

[Lusitania]

My point exactly.

?



...what does the first amendment have to do with anything?

Read below:




Btw what you just said is, in my eyes, more bannable than "idiotic" AIM chats kthx.


Ok so I can say whatever I want to you with no repercussions for my actions?
No, read my below argument to what Xalapeno said.

There wouldn't be need to apologize for anything had you not done it in the first place:tongue:

Oh hi.

I like how we went from talking about staff impersonation to porn.

K, my question is why do some people feel the need to be idiots?

We as humans claim to be civilized and above all other beings.
Where is the proof to back this up?
From what I've seen in this thread so far, there is none.
We can't even stay on topic.:ermm:
Lol the first amendment.
Cipher, you do realize that even if you are a U.S. citizen and you go to another country and break their laws, you are also subject to their punishments.

Like the flogging of that idiot Michael Fay.

Yes, I realize that, but this is not a foreign country. This is the United States, which I am a citizen of. If I state my opinion, with the pure meaning to state my opinion, it is allowed. If the rules are no trolling/flaming/spamming, if I state an opinion that may be controversial, it is allowed.

[Xalapeno]

Yes, I realize that, but this is not a foreign country. This is the United States, which I am a citizen of. If I state my opinion, with the pure meaning to state my opinion, it is allowed. If the rules are no trolling/flaming/spamming, if I state an opinion that may be controversial, it is allowed.

This forum is not the United States, it's a website on the World Wide Web. That means, it can be accessed from any country at anytime, and your statements could be taken to a court in any said country.

[Lusitania]

This forum is not the United States, it's a website on the World Wide Web. That means, it can be accessed from any country at anytime, and your statements could be taken to a court in any said country.

I was arguing from the basis this is a US based site ._.

And also, for a comment I say on the web, I can be taken to court in say, an Indonesian court? Or a Russian court?

[kingrptr101]

The United States Constitution does not apply to the World wide web. -_-

[Lusitania]

The United States Constitution does not apply to the World wide web. -_-

Crap, logic failed again :/

And I have a nagging suspicion that Adrenaline has a new screen name as ahmagawd123. I got an IM from him with the usual sexual harrasment and 'I love you' crap.

[Xalapeno]

Crap, logic failed again :/

And I have a nagging suspicion that Adrenaline has a new screen name as ahmagawd123. I got an IM from him with the usual sexual harrasment and 'I love you' crap.

Here's an idea or 3, stay off aim?
If not, then get yourself a new account and don't share it with anyone.
You could also set it to where you won't recieve IMs from anyone unless you've added them to your buddy list.

[kingrptr101]

Crap, logic failed again :/

And I have a nagging suspicion that Adrenaline has a new screen name as ahmagawd123. I got an IM from him with the usual sexual harrasment and 'I love you' crap.

Whose logic failed? I think yours did.

If it really bothers you that much, just block him. It takes like, three seconds. -_-

[Soda]

Crap, logic failed again :/

And I have a nagging suspicion that Adrenaline has a new screen name as ahmagawd123. I got an IM from him with the usual sexual harrasment and 'I love you' crap.

Embrace it, it will make you better/more easy to be around.

Otherwise do what Xalapeno said. Blocking does not help as they know your screenname and just go make a clone and IM you again. :goofy::goofy::goofy:

[Loyal Arcanine]

Ah, but did the insult bring up Pe2k at all? Because if not, then that would be a ban out of a grudge which is exactly what Neo said no mod would ever do. I don't see why the Admin should be able to do that if he doesn't do it for every member that gets insulted. Mind you, then the majority of the forum would be banned.

Ryan only does things related to the forum. How often have you seen him in PE2k chats? For whatever you like/dislike him, it practically has to be forum related.

That said, the admin is able to do that, whether you like it or not. It's his forum, and he is God. He is the entire cake, so to speak!

[Lusitania]

Whose logic failed? I think yours did.

If it really bothers you that much, just block him. It takes like, three seconds. -_-

HE has my SN, no use. He even made a new one. Pkmn4eva123 or summat like that.

And yea, my logic failed.
Ryan only does things related to the forum. How often have you seen him in PE2k chats? For whatever you like/dislike him, it practically has to be forum related.

That said, the admin is able to do that, whether you like it or not. It's his forum, and he is God. He is the entire cake, so to speak!

Amen xD

[complexmanifold]

HE has my SN, no use. He even made a new one. Pkmn4eva123 or summat like that.

And yea, my logic failed.


Amen xD


Blocking an account on AIM takes like one second. Creating an AIM account and logging on takes a minute (probably more). The blocker clearly has an advantage. It's important not to respond to someone's attempt to annoy you, just block them immediately, or else you're wasting time and losing your advantage, and the person annoying you is probably amused. Don't let them be amused, block him/her immediately. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on AIM.

[Lusitania]

Blocking an account on AIM takes like one second. Creating an AIM account and logging on takes a minute (probably more). The blocker clearly has an advantage. It's important not to respond to someone's attempt to annoy you, just block them immediately, or else you're wasting time and losing your advantage, and the person annoying you is probably amused. Don't let them be amused, block him/her immediately. If you can't handle that, you shouldn't be on AIM.

I thought you were Haze for a sec xD

Good point. I just need to find out if you cvan block on AIM express.,

[Fire Away]

There's a major difference between being an idiot on AIM and being enough of an idiot to get banned for it, and I highly doubt that HALF of us have been that stupid.

You seem to think I'm saying none of us have ever said anything bad on AIM or done anything stupid, which isn't the case. But, I can't say I'm surprised, hear what you want to hear and whatnot.

I'm not the one who said half, but I can tell you that there are staff members who have acted worse than some of the members you've banned before.

@CL - the irony of you telling me I "phailed" (lol people still say that?) is delicious. Please feed me more omnomnom

[Lusitania]

I'm not the one who said half, but I can tell you that there are staff members who have acted worse than some of the members you've banned before.

And whether staff or not, should have been punished accordingly. Well, if they're on AIM, can't punish them...yet.
@CL - the irony of you telling me I "phailed" (lol people still say that?) is delicious. Please feed me more omnomnom

Actually, I think it was sort of future irony. I phailed after I told you you phailed. And I say phail.

[Snow Fairy Sugar]

Also, to make a point, even if that was my opinion (which it is not), I could not be reprimanded for it. I was not intending to spam, troll, or flame anyone with it, and as such am protected by the first amendment of the Constitution of the Untited States, as I am a citizen of the USA, and this is an America based site.A] Constitution was made before the world wide web was invented.

B] You didn't read terms and conditions did you? Terms and conditions directly or indirectly states that your freedom of speech will be stifled.

..The company reserves the right to decide what may or may not be posted.

And you agreed to abide by the rules, and terms+conditions for signing up to this particular website; did you not?

Anyway...back to the main point, I just want to ask something- how exactly can AIM be constituted as different? If in that case, Members use Private Messages to correspond (with intention of breaking rules) technically...they're using a Priate messaging system, not the forums- per se; so they're not breaking rules. And there aren't rules regarding PM abuse..are there?

So shouldn't we actually focus on borderlines rather than extremes? People can be arrested for...posting Terrorist related matter, even on their own websites, if their intention is to break laws. And people have been arrested/convicted for it. Like the teenager on Myspace tow years ago who posted about assassnating Bush. A fictional essay, but arrested nonetheless.

[Orange_Flaaffy]

A PM system is a built in part of the site you are using it on though, as far as I can see. So it would be run to the rules of whatever site you were on, plus in a bigger way, the rules of vBulletin...Anyway, I still say the blocking system in AIM works more than well with a little bit of common sense...But I use mainly YIM anyway ;3

[Azure]

There are other IM clients, you know. Not just AIM.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

I know, right? I mean, a moderator doing something wrong, obviously a dozen people are just making things up.

Geez guys, if you're going to make up a story at least make it something that could actually happen ever in real life.

Honestly, a moderator doing something wrong...you kids!

It is possible. A moderator is not totally good. Nobody is.

There's a major difference between being an idiot on AIM and being enough of an idiot to get banned for it, and I highly doubt that HALF of us have been that stupid.

You seem to think I'm saying none of us have ever said anything bad on AIM or done anything stupid, which isn't the case. But, I can't say I'm surprised, hear what you want to hear and whatnot.

We never know. AIM is (almost) totally different on PE2K. While I myself do not go on AIM, I can be sure that what happens on PE2K does not affect what happens on AIM.

There are other IM clients, you know. Not just AIM.

And the problem will spread from AIM to other IM clients. Nobody wants that. They'd rather a problem being contained in one IM client so it's easier to deal than the problem spreading and making it almost impossible to deal. It's something like the "containment' of communism last century.

[Azure]

It is possible. A moderator is not totally good. Nobody is.

Hello, sarcasm.

And the problem will spread from AIM to other IM clients. Nobody wants that. They'd rather a problem being contained in one IM client so it's easier to deal than the problem spreading and making it almost impossible to deal. It's something like the "containment' of communism last century.

So by this post you are saying that every single member on Pe2k uses only AIM.

[Lord Celebi]

Concerning the Constitution, it is invalid on private property. Just like how you have to follow house rules when you go to someone's house, you have to follow Ryan's rules when you use his server.

[Lusitania]

Concerning the Constitution, it is invalid on private property. Just like how you have to follow house rules when you go to someone's house, you have to follow Ryan's rules when you use his server.

Understood.
Hello, sarcasm.



So by this post you are saying that every single member on Pe2k uses only AIM.


No, but AIM is the most popular IM client. And most have an AIM in addition to whatever else they use.

And he wasn't being sarcastic. it's true. .Azurelight xD Not you, but who are you, maybe a new person. Welcome to PE2K, and I hope you stay long and enjoy it.

[Jack of Clovers]

Alright, I think we're getting a bit off subject.

The announcement is very simple to follow. Yes, you can be subject to what happens off this forum depending on the situation. And it is up to you to behave accordingly, no matter who it is you're talking to. This goes for anyone: members, mods, heck, even Ryan himself.

No one is asking us to agree with everything, but we are asked to abide by the rules. And we pay serious attention to rule 2 and 3. This is a community built upon getting along and working together, let's remember that. Ok? :wink:

~Jack~

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

Hello, sarcasm.



So by this post you are saying that every single member on Pe2k uses only AIM.

Why should sarcasm even exist?

Understood.



No, but AIM is the most popular IM client. And most have an AIM in addition to whatever else they use.

And he wasn't being sarcastic. it's true. .Azurelight xD Not you, but who are you, maybe a new person. Welcome to PE2K, and I hope you stay long and enjoy it.

He's been here for a longer time than I have.

Alright, I think we're getting a bit off subject.

The announcement is very simple to follow. Yes, you can be subject to what happens off this forum depending on the situation. And it is up to you to behave accordingly, no matter who it is you're talking to. This goes for anyone: members, mods, heck, even Ryan himself.

No one is asking us to agree with everything, but we are asked to abide by the rules. And we pay serious attention to rule 2 and 3. This is a community built upon getting along and working together, let's remember that. Ok? :wink:

~Jack~

We all know that. The reason why this debate even exists is because of the different situations that can arise, and which should warrant banning and which shouldn't...

[Lusitania]

Why should sarcasm even exist?



He's been here for a longer time than I have.



We all know that. The reason why this debate even exists is because of the different situations that can arise, and which should warrant banning and which shouldn't...

xD I thought it said "April 09' xD

I love your sarcasm. The irony is funny, but it's on purpose, so it's even more hilarious.

[SiberianTiger]

You guys are so suave and cool.

:rolleyes:

~Isaiah

[Yamirami]

Wow, some people are stooping down to this level? To impersinate a mod on a POKEMON forum? I'm really starting to think that everyday, people become stupider and stupider, except for those who have common sense of course.
Heh heh heh...

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

xD I thought it said "April 09' xD

I love your sarcasm. The irony is funny, but it's on purpose, so it's even more hilarious.

That. Wasn't. Sarcasm.

No, seriously.

Wow, some people are stooping down to this level? To impersinate a mod on a POKEMON forum? I'm really starting to think that everyday, people become stupider and stupider, except for those who have common sense of course.
Heh heh heh...

Yes, we know. This is all mankind's fault really, relying more and more on technology...

[Lusitania]

Wow, some people are stooping down to this level? To impersinate a mod on a POKEMON forum? I'm really starting to think that everyday, people become stupider and stupider, except for those who have common sense of course.
Heh heh heh...


Delicious irony. You say people become stupider, while you yourself misplled 'impersonate' when it was in the title of the thread -_-

Yea, irony from me too ;3

[Azure]

Delicious irony. You say people become stupider, while you yourself misplled 'impersonate' when it was in the title of the thread -_-

Yea, irony from me too ;3

Typos.

Have you heard of them?

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

Delicious irony. You say people become stupider, while you yourself misplled 'impersonate' when it was in the title of the thread -_-

Yea, irony from me too ;3

Typos.

Have you heard of them?

Will you two please get back on topic?


Anyway, we have differing views on this topic. What do we do about this?

[Rorschach]

And once more, people will be banned for things that take place outside of PE2K. Just as stupid as getting fired for something posted on Facebook, or expelled from school because you got in a fight playing hockey or something. Why am I even posting this?

[Azure]

Will you two please get back on topic?

This is a bit rich coming from you and your off-topic posts in this thread.

Anyway, we have differing views on this topic. What do we do about this?

Nothing. AIM =/= Pe2k regardless of the subject that's being talked about in the chatroom.

And once more, people will be banned for things that take place outside of PE2K. Just as stupid as getting fired for something posted on Facebook, or expelled from school because you got in a fight playing hockey or something. Why am I even posting this?

Because the ones with 'differing views' don't seem to get it otherwise.

[Void]

Delicious irony. You say people become stupider, while you yourself misplled 'impersonate' when it was in the title of the thread -_-

Yea, irony from me too ;3

Delicious irony. You yourself misspelled 'misspelled'.

Anyway, on topic, people should be free to do whatever they want to do outside of PE2K. So if this happens in the forums itself, only then should they be held responsible for their actions.

[Lord Celebi]

Anyway, on topic, people should be free to do whatever they want to do outside of PE2K. So if this happens in the forums itself, only then should they be held responsible for their actions.

Its going to be this way because this problem is too rampant. Staff impersonation is getting really annoying, and its time we put our foot down.

[Rorschach]

Its going to be this way because this problem is too rampant. Staff impersonation is getting really annoying, and its time we put our foot down.

Might I suggest that if the problem is too rampant, that there may be certain issues causing it that should be rectified. I can guarantee that, even though I don't know who's involved, based on this place's history, bans solve nothing. Maybe a change in philosophy would be worth considering.

[Lord Celebi]

Might I suggest that if the problem is too rampant, that there may be certain issues causing it that should be rectified. I can guarantee that, even though I don't know who's involved, based on this place's history, bans solve nothing. Maybe a change in philosophy would be worth considering.

...Seriously, who are you?

[Rorschach]

...Seriously, who are you?

My signature doesn't give it away? :neutral:

[Lord Celebi]

My signature doesn't give it away? :neutral:

Well, I need undeniable proof besides an art style, Lan.

[Void]

Its going to be this way because this problem is too rampant. Staff impersonation is getting really annoying, and its time we put our foot down.

But, if it's being done on AIM or whatever IM service, how can you be sure who is doing the impersonation? You might be able to know people's IP addresses here, but not on AIM.

[Haze]

Its going to be this way because this problem is too rampant. Staff impersonation is getting really annoying, and its time we put our foot down.

Yes because you're really one to talk about AIM behavior. :rolleyes:

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

And once more, people will be banned for things that take place outside of PE2K. Just as stupid as getting fired for something posted on Facebook, or expelled from school because you got in a fight playing hockey or something. Why am I even posting this?

Because it adds an extra dimension to this topic.

This is a bit rich coming from you and your off-topic posts in this thread.

In my posts, I do have on-topic stuff. So my posts aren't completely off-topic.

Nothing. AIM =/= Pe2k regardless of the subject that's being talked about in the chatroom.

Your view is not necessarily correct. We need to consider whether the other points of view are as logical as yours.

Because the ones with 'differing views' don't seem to get it otherwise.

They will still get it even without that post. They just feel that their belief is truer.

Its going to be this way because this problem is too rampant. Staff impersonation is getting really annoying, and its time we put our foot down.

Yes, but this doesn't necessarily resolve the problem.

Might I suggest that if the problem is too rampant, that there may be certain issues causing it that should be rectified. I can guarantee that, even though I don't know who's involved, based on this place's history, bans solve nothing. Maybe a change in philosophy would be worth considering.

That is true. Taking a third road could result in a win-win situation for all.

If there is a third road. >_> I'm not saying there isn't, though.

But, if it's being done on AIM or whatever IM service, how can you be sure who is doing the impersonation? You might be able to know people's IP addresses here, but not on AIM.

True. That could result in more chaos.

Yes because you're really one to talk about AIM behavior. :rolleyes:

How do you know someone didn't impersonate him? :O

[Azure]

For the last damn time, if something takes place outside the forum then the forum rules do not apply. If I flame a Pe2k member on my blog, you have no right to infract or ban me for it. It's the idiots' fault that they're gullible enough to believe someone impersonating the staff.

[DaRkUmBrEoN]

For the last damn time, if something takes place outside the forum then the forum rules do not apply. If I flame a Pe2k member on my blog, you have no right to infract or ban me for it. It's the idiots' fault that they're gullible enough to believe someone impersonating the staff.
Look, I think you're missing our major ban reason.

Yes, you are free to rant and do whatever you want on things such as blogs and AIM.

BUT, and it's a really big but, once you bring it back to pe2k, you are doing something wrong and breaking the rules.

Example #1:
You pretend to be a moderator in an AIM chat - Not bannable as long as it is quite obvious you're just joking around and not asking for stuff.

Example #2:
You pretend to be a moderator in an AIM chat and thus acquire someone's login info which results in you using that account without that person's approval - BANNABLE without question.

We bust you on example #2, not #1.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

Yes, you are free to rant and do whatever you want on things such as blogs and AIM.

Funny. This says otherwise (http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2710262#post2710262). :O

[DaRkUmBrEoN]

Funny. This says otherwise (http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2710262#post2710262). :O
He did that in Ryan's face.
No way in hell he'd be let off so easily.

Other way around, you can make fun of the staff on AIM and we'd do nothing against it. Unless it becomes very bad, then the staff has the power to ban you for it.

Basically, moderation is your friend, and sorry for the pun. If you don't go overboard and cross any obvious lines, we won't take action. Ryan however can do whatever he wants, since it's his site/forum.

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

He did that in Ryan's face.
No way in hell he'd be let off so easily.

Other way around, you can make fun of the staff on AIM and we'd do nothing against it. Unless it becomes very bad, then the staff has the power to ban you for it.

Basically, moderation is your friend, and sorry for the pun. If you don't go overboard and cross any obvious lines, we won't take action. Ryan however can do whatever he wants, since it's his site/forum.

Oh, I see.

True, that.

And by the way, I love puns. :P

[Jack of Clovers]

We all know that. The reason why this debate even exists is because of the different situations that can arise, and which should warrant banning and which shouldn't...
It'll be up to us which situations require attention, and which ones do not. It would be impossible to make a specific list such as that. Everyone here knows what's right, and what's wrong. We all do. And I personally don't mind a little fun here and there, but sometimes that can be taken too far... and completely stop being funny. That's when an apology is needed, a chance to recompose themselves, and then we start fresh again.

Such as this topic. What has happened, happened. Hopefully we've all learned a thing, or two. Now we move on, with a better community in mind.

~Jack~

[Teo]

Moral of the Story:

If you get an IM from some one who says they're a Moderator on PokemonElite2000, PM them, or have them PM you to confirm if it's the said Mod. If they have their AIM name in their profile, make sure that the screen name is an exact match! Don't ever give out your Password, it's more than obvious that Moderators aren't ever going to ask for your password or personal information.

There always has been a list of the staff located at the bottom of the Forum.

Forum Leaders (http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/forum/showgroups.php)

Keep in mind that, the moment you take something from an Instant Messaging program onto PE2K, it does become the staff's business.

Oh, and usually the best way to get hold of a staff member is to PM them. Much faster than an Instant Messenger. Due to the fact people don't log into them all the time or are invisible.

ANYWAYS, I think the topic has been thoroughly discussed. Perhaps it can be locked now?!

[earth_type_rule]

Well, aside from this being one of the most basic rules on a forum, I must say that the people actually falling for this stuff are real idiots.

Seriously, mods NEVER need passwords. Now I don't hope anything you say on AIM or MSN against someone else will get recorded (even though it may sound silly).

Also, the next problem you may encounter is people faking some sort of chat. Retyping what someone said over AIM/MSN then showing it to a Gmod. Unfair ban?

[Sakuya_Izayoi]

I really don't get this... why would someone do that?

[Megaman]

YPaS, people do that so it can seem like their really cool or something like that. Like some moderators have great stories and someone might have wanted to say their that person so they can have permission to post that story on some other site completely unknown to us and say the story is theirs.

And of course, it would be WAY too hard to find every single site in the world and besides, it would be much simpler to use the method we use today which is comfirming the AIM name.

But if anyone trys to steal my username I hope you all remember this. I NEVER go on AIM or any of those things. Never. I don't have an AIM username or anything like that. Never have and never will since I don't like doing stuff like that.

But I probably won't get impersonated anyday soon since I'm not even a Moderator so the chances are still very low. But mysteries do happen. So even if your a new user, watch out.

That is all I have to say on the subject.

[Volcanflame]

YPaS, people do that so it can seem like their really cool or something like that.
No, they do it for some laugh.

-Volcan-

[Ah Beng I the Pikabeng]

YPaS, people do that so it can seem like their really cool or something like that.

No, they do it for some laugh.

-Volcan-

Either that, or they're really serious about it; they want to implicate others. Mostly for revenge, of course. This type of impersonator is actually quite common, from what I've heard. Yes, all three of these are possible.

[Palamon]

Announcement Concerning Staff Impersonation

Recently, there have been several incidents of PE2K Staff impersonation through instant messengers and on PE2K itself. Members who have shared their passwords then have found themselves banned due to posts that the impersonators have written.

As of now, if you impersonate a staff member (whether it be on PE2K, AIM, or other form of digital communication), you will be permanently banned. This includes either claiming to be someone you're not, claiming to be a secret staff member, or claiming to have moderator powers when you do not actually do.

Furthermore, the PE2K Staff would like to remind you to NEVER give your password to anyone. The Moderators and Global Moderators will never require your password. Moderators and Global Moderators will also not threaten to ban you if you do not exchange your password or something akin to that.

In the event that you encounter someone claiming to be a staff member, report it to a Global Moderator immediately. Include as many details as you can (PE2K Username, who they're claiming to be, AIM username, chatlogs, etc). The PE2K Staff will deal with all reports seriously and on a case-by-case basis. Abuse of this system will also lead to a permanent ban.

I am compiling a list of all ways to digitally communicate with a staff member, which will be posted here. If someone is claiming to be a staff member and you aren't sure if they are or not, then look here.
I feel bad for the staff. You do all that work and then people impersonate you. That's terrible! Really terrible! But by now this should have been taken care of. I guess not. I'm shocked!

[aeria]

Well I think there's probably more bad people on the world then good. And there are probably thousands of people looking for sites to try to ruin with a impersonation of a great person on there.

I have to say, I would actually hate it if me or anyone else here got impersonated. It's just stupid. Getting banned for something you never did? Cruel.

So actually, AIM and many other things are both good and bad for pe2k. Good because if someone has a AIM name or something and someone on the internet tries to impersonate that person, then we just comfirm it.

Bad, the obvious reason. People can get a mod banned for something they never did. I would absolutely HATE it if I got banned on any forum for something I never did.

To sum it all up, I think we should all just stay careful and be aware of impersonating doofuses who live in their mom's basement, being obese all their lives typing at a dinosaur computer.