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complexmanifold
04-29-2009, 01:08 AM
Do you fear that America is becoming increasingly democratic?

Black Hawk
04-29-2009, 01:11 AM
No. It's becoming increasingly socialist. GG, Obama. However, Neocons pose a dangerous threat to America as well.

Ham and Cheese
04-29-2009, 01:20 AM
I'm not exactly sure what you mean by 'increasingly democratic'. Are you implying that decisions are more in the hands of the people? Because if so, then no, I don't believe we are.

Nirvash
04-29-2009, 01:27 AM
Already a democracy. How do we become more democratic? The only way I can think is if we move more towards a free market. Hong Kong is where you wanna go for that.

Also, no, because our healthcare system is heading more towards a socialist healthcare plan.

MaskedJackal
04-29-2009, 11:10 AM
No. If anything, we're turning towards Communism.

Yoda55
04-29-2009, 11:36 AM
No. Its just Bush sucked badly the last 4 years, and he was a Repblican. Obama is a Demecrat, and the people of the USA don't want another republican because Bush is fail. In time they will recover.

Ah Beng I the Pikabeng
04-29-2009, 01:23 PM
I believe that the United States is becoming increasingly democratic, but I do not fear it. Instead, I welcome it. With open hands.

Wish Singapore was that democratic... >_>

skiboydoggy
04-29-2009, 01:35 PM
I believe that the United States is becoming increasingly democratic, but I do not fear it. Instead, I welcome it. With open hands.

Wish Singapore was that democratic... >_>
I just want Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech back. >_>

We Taste Pies...
04-29-2009, 04:25 PM
No. If anything, we're turning towards Communism.

Do you even know what communism is? :susp:

Vaughn
04-29-2009, 07:28 PM
No. If anything, we're turning towards Communism.

I doubt that we're heading for Communism :eh:

TeirusuFX
04-29-2009, 08:13 PM
Meh, it's not going to be a bad thing if we do

But yeah, we are

♪マイルス♪
♫Mairusu♫

Ah Beng I the Pikabeng
04-30-2009, 02:51 PM
I just want Freedom of the Press and Freedom of Speech back. >_>

Almost forgot if we even had any before. X|

Do you even know what communism is? :susp:

Depends on the perspective, it seems. >_>

Meh, it's not going to be a bad thing if we do

But yeah, we are

♪マイルス♪
♫Mairusu♫

How so? :O

skiboydoggy
04-30-2009, 05:25 PM
Except you can't be heading towards communism. Communism isn't something you head towards, communism is something that happens. It needs to be sudden, violent, and revolutionary to be called communism. Otherwise it's just socialist.

Mewchirio
04-30-2009, 06:27 PM
There's nothing wrong with communism, it works in theory. However, often, in practise, it fails. I, however, don't live in the US, so I have no idea what this is about...

~Mewchirio~

Broderick
04-30-2009, 06:32 PM
I'll put it this way: We're more of a democracy than when Bush was in office.
But I'm not too involved in current politics, so I don't have too much to say on the matter.

Orthar
04-30-2009, 06:46 PM
Correct, Karl Marx's idea for Communism does not exist, and it never has. The leaders never give up their positions, and the wealth is never distributed evenly throughout all peoples.

Snow Fairy Sugar
04-30-2009, 08:26 PM
America's..becoming better in some ways, yes. I doubt other people might have stood for the New York Plane stunt, or CIA tortures because they're that wimpy. Of course, it doesn't depend on Democrats/Republicans- all politicians are the same kind of crooks, just with a sticker to tell them apart.

America as a democracy, eh...it's not changed that much, to be honest. Sure White House is becoming more and more open, we're actually giving the impression of a country in the forefront of negotiations, rather than threatening countries with a war- something Obama's nutter predecessor had done.

@ Mewchiro: Just ignore the people screaming Communism.

MaskedJackal
04-30-2009, 09:12 PM
Do you even know what communism is? :susp:

Obama is as left as it gets.

Lol @ anyone who thinks we are more of a democracy than when Bush was in office. Obama is trying to expand the federal government as far as he can!

We Taste Pies...
04-30-2009, 09:48 PM
Obama is as left as it gets.

Lol @ anyone who thinks we are more of a democracy than when Bush was in office. Obama is trying to expand the federal government as far as he can!

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

I think Obama's campaign slogan was, "Yes we can", not, "Gimme ur house".

Lord Fedora
04-30-2009, 09:54 PM
Obama is as left as it gets.

Lol @ anyone who thinks we are more of a democracy than when Bush was in office. Obama is trying to expand the federal government as far as he can!
Communism isn't left-wingness LL. Expanded government is the exact opposite of communism, its socialism (and in actuality Soviet Russia was more of a fascist government, to tell the truth). In communism there is no government, everything is shared and run by the people. In reality communism is actually democracy in its truest form. America isn't a democracy, it's a republic, where the decisions are made by representatives of the people.

We're not becoming a communist nation, we're turning towards socialism. And I'm not commenting on that, because I don't know how that will turn out or if it's even intended as a permanent change.

Lord Fedora
04-30-2009, 09:55 PM
Obama is as left as it gets.

Lol @ anyone who thinks we are more of a democracy than when Bush was in office. Obama is trying to expand the federal government as far as he can!
Communism isn't left-wingness LL. Expanded government is the exact opposite of communism, its socialism (and in actuality Soviet Russia was more of a fascist government, to tell the truth). In communism there is no government, everything is shared and run by the people. In reality communism is actually democracy in its truest form. America isn't a democracy, it's a republic, where the decisions are made by representatives of the people.

We're not becoming a communist nation, we're turning towards socialism. And I'm not commenting on that, because I don't know how that will turn out or if it's even intended as a permanent change.

karmachameleon
04-30-2009, 10:33 PM
There's nothing wrong with communism, it works in theory. However, often, in practise, it fails.

Just like Reaganomics, the policies that are in most conservatives' train of thought nowadays. I'm happy a Democrat is president again.

Ah Beng I the Pikabeng
05-01-2009, 01:43 AM
Except you can't be heading towards communism. Communism isn't something you head towards, communism is something that happens. It needs to be sudden, violent, and revolutionary to be called communism. Otherwise it's just socialist.

Technically, you can. There has to be tension building up for such an event to occur. As tension builds up, you're heading towards a higher chance of some relatively smaller event to trigger the big event, and hence heading towards communism.

There's nothing wrong with communism, it works in theory. However, often, in practise, it fails. I, however, don't live in the US, so I have no idea what this is about...

~Mewchirio~

Some of us aren't even from there and we know. >_>

I'll put it this way: We're more of a democracy than when Bush was in office.
But I'm not too involved in current politics, so I don't have too much to say on the matter.

Yes, I must agree the US is more democratic now.

Correct, Karl Marx's idea for Communism does not exist, and it never has. The leaders never give up their positions, and the wealth is never distributed evenly throughout all peoples.

Poor Karl. If Trotsky had been leader instead of Stalin, maybe it would have... *plots to build a time machine and kill Stalin before he takes over* >:D

Communism: a theory or system of social organization based on the holding of all property in common, actual ownership being ascribed to the community as a whole or to the state.

I think Obama's campaign slogan was, "Yes we can", not, "Gimme ur house".

Actually, it's just shared by the community.

Communism isn't left-wingness LL. Expanded government is the exact opposite of communism, its socialism (and in actuality Soviet Russia was more of a fascist government, to tell the truth). In communism there is no government, everything is shared and run by the people. In reality communism is actually democracy in its truest form. America isn't a democracy, it's a republic, where the decisions are made by representatives of the people.

That's true.

Quoted for truth.

Wait. Why did you post the same stuff twice? :O

We're not becoming a communist nation, we're turning towards socialism. And I'm not commenting on that, because I don't know how that will turn out or if it's even intended as a permanent change.

Maybe both. :goofy:

We Taste Pies...
05-01-2009, 03:42 AM
Obama is as left as it gets.

Lol @ anyone who thinks we are more of a democracy than when Bush was in office. Obama is trying to expand the federal government as far as he can!

Another point I would like to mention. It was de-regulation by the government during the Bush administration that caused this economic crisis. Taking a Laissez faire approach to this economic crisis won't work, so the only option is to expand the power of the government.

Professor Geoffrey
05-02-2009, 02:15 AM
Another point I would like to mention. It was de-regulation by the government during the Bush administration that caused this economic crisis. Taking a Laissez faire approach to this economic crisis won't work, so the only option is to expand the power of the government.

Our founding fathers dreamed of a nation... where the government had as little power as necessary!

People > Government.

What happened to "Yes We Can," democrats? I believe you guys said "we," not "the government." We are the nation, so let us fix it. Not just the government, but the entire US of A.

Obama is as left as it gets.

Obama's got his own political scale, in my belief. It's not a matter of right or left, but rather a matter of communistic or socialistic. I'll give you a hint; it's the second one.

complexmanifold
05-02-2009, 02:56 AM
I am glad this poll has sparked some interesting conversation.

Our founding fathers dreamed of a nation... where the government had as little power as necessary!


Are you serious? As a history enthusiast I feel compelled to refute this.

Elrond
05-02-2009, 03:08 AM
Our founding fathers dreamed of a nation... where the government had as little power as necessary!

People > Government.

What happened to "Yes We Can," democrats? I believe you guys said "we," not "the government." We are the nation, so let us fix it. Not just the government, but the entire US of A.



Obama's got his own political scale, in my belief. It's not a matter of right or left, but rather a matter of communistic or socialistic. I'll give you a hint; it's the second one.

Actually, the founding fathers were split about half and half. Part were Federalists, who wanted big government, and many were states'-righters who wanted little government. The Constitution that came out of the Constitutional Convention largely favored big government. And I find the title ironically strange. Shouldn't we be in favor of more democracy? It's really more of an opinion on whether the policies enacted are actually doing that and in what way.

As for whether the country is becoming more democratic, I'm not sure anymore. I guess we'll have to watch the development of Obama's presidency more to be able to tell, though that doesn't necessarily mean I agree or don't agree with his policies (hint: It's generally the latter, but I won't get into that).

And Wunsch... It's not Communism. Socialism, maybe, but Communism is about as far away from what we've got as one can get.

We Taste Pies...
05-02-2009, 05:02 AM
Our founding fathers dreamed of a nation... where the government had as little power as necessary!

People > Government.


They tried that, it was called The Articles of Confederation, which failed miserably.

Professor Geoffrey
05-02-2009, 04:29 PM
I am glad this poll has sparked some interesting conversation.



Are you serious? As a history enthusiast I feel compelled to refute this.

... Which proves that what people are teaching in schools these days in history is crap. You people must love filtered and slandered courses. =)

Even after the Articles of Confederation, which did indeed, fail, State needed to have more power over the Federal, which was only to have the most important laws, like murder, the bearing of arms (which is the only amendment that cannot be denied, by the way), freedom of speech, taxing, etcetera. Everything else was to be given to the State... but our current leaders today have erased that idea, and have said that those ideas were a thing of the past, or ideas that never even existed.

The good old USA was doing so much better when it was a Republic. =(

skiboydoggy
05-02-2009, 05:31 PM
... Which proves that what people are teaching in schools these days in history is crap. You people must love filtered and slandered courses. =)

Even after the Articles of Confederation, which did indeed, fail, State needed to have more power over the Federal, which was only to have the most important laws, like murder, the bearing of arms (which is the only amendment that cannot be denied, by the way), freedom of speech, taxing, etcetera. Everything else was to be given to the State... but our current leaders today have erased that idea, and have said that those ideas were a thing of the past, or ideas that never even existed.

The good old USA was doing so much better when it was a Republic. =(
So instead of providing proof, you're just going to say "I'M RITE UR WRONG DURRRRRRR UR TEECHERS SUX TOO!"?
I'm sure we'd appreciate it if you could prove what you were claiming. I'm inclined to believe complexmanifold over you simply because of human nature too, no large group of people can generally be of one mind when such matters are concerned.

complexmanifold
05-02-2009, 07:22 PM
... Which proves that what people are teaching in schools these days in history is crap. You people must love filtered and slandered courses. =)

Even after the Articles of Confederation, which did indeed, fail, State needed to have more power over the Federal, which was only to have the most important laws, like murder, the bearing of arms (which is the only amendment that cannot be denied, by the way), freedom of speech, taxing, etcetera. Everything else was to be given to the State... but our current leaders today have erased that idea, and have said that those ideas were a thing of the past, or ideas that never even existed.

The good old USA was doing so much better when it was a Republic. =(

So where am I supposed to learn history or anything for that matter? I love my American Pageant 13th edition. :sad: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/0618479279_md.gif

And no, the Articles of Confederation left a bitter taste in the mouth of advocates of a weak central government. The AoC's failure led to the need for a stronger central government, under the Constitution that we have today. However, the Constitution is not blatanly a document in favor of federal government. I think it appropriates powers to Congress that are very necessary and could not otherwise be handled by states (regulation of interstate commerce, national tariff, taxes, etc.). States are left to govern themselves on most matters. I also believe the founding fathers purposely left the Constitution vague on some matters so that it could be decided by whatever generation that exists on how to interpet it, depending on the state of the United States.

And for those of you that didn't get it, this poll is mocking those who accuse the United States of becoming increasingly Socialistic.

MaskedJackal
05-03-2009, 01:00 PM
So instead of providing proof, you're just going to say "I'M RITE UR WRONG DURRRRRRR UR TEECHERS SUX TOO!"?
I'm sure we'd appreciate it if you could prove what you were claiming. I'm inclined to believe complexmanifold over you simply because of human nature too, no large group of people can generally be of one mind when such matters are concerned.


Then provide a rebuttal.

skiboydoggy
05-03-2009, 02:30 PM
Then provide a rebuttal.
I'm providing my opinion and judgement on two different viewpoints. What am I supposed to rebutt? lrn2readingcomprehension.