Wikileaks

[Trent Reznor]

I believe that what Wikileaks is doing is interesting yet cruel.

Now THAT could start something.

[Ender the Xenocide]

Originally Posted by Temporal Snake

Oh my, someone needs to educate themselves. I suggest you start reading books on philosophy and political ideology and learning what Communism actually is. First of all, attacking someone's political view is like attacking their religion, and I can draw many parallels between my political views and my spiritual ones, so I suggest you don't tread on thin ice. Second of all, Capitalism doesn't work, period. It's destroying the planet, the economy it makes is clearly failing pathetically, and the part people are starting to see are right-wing fascists like the Tea Party emerging.

I have no problem with working for a living, what do you assume I am? Some lazy stoner? No, my family is a hard-working Slavic family. Three of my grandparents are from the Soviet Union. Oddly enough, I've never heard them complain about Communism. Even my grandmother who is ultra-Christian, never said anything bad about Communism like the right-wing Christians in America do.

And I think you need to understand the premises of Communism before you make silly comments. Money wouldn't matter in a true Communist society. It's like a job, and your benefits are everything. It's a world community, everyone works for everyone. It's tough to understand when you've only been exposed to Capitalism (which derives from Feudalism, whereas Communism is a concept that's existed forever). But it's fine, because the good part of humanity will always triumph over the evil part (greed). Society changes, and inevitably will become Communist some day as human knowledge expands (especially as we learn of oneness in existence). The universe tends to balance things out, and I think it's rather selfish of humans to think of themselves as the most important thing in existence.

Oh yeah, Communism isn't a type of government either.

Anyways, this has nothing to do with WikiLeaks, so make a thread about the evil of Communism if you feel the need to reply (which I suggest you don't until you are at peace with the universe and stop caring about your silly material possessions).

I am not going to continue with the argument because:
A) You fail to see the points that I am making.
B) You think you are above money.
C) You obviously DON'T know anyone who had to deal with anything of this pesky matter.
and
D) You are so blind to see you started this conversation.

[Lan.exe]

Originally Posted by Ender the Xenocide

I am not going to continue with the argument because:
A) You fail to see the points that I am making.
B) You think you are above money.
C) You obviously DON'T know anyone who had to deal with anything of this pesky matter.
and
D) You are so blind to see you started this conversation.

Good post, would read again.

[Teddiursa of the Sky]

Originally Posted by Temporal Snake

Good post, would read again.

Please be silent, no more.

[Starkipraggy]

It's true that the government needs their privacy, but the government shouldn't have the power to just stamp "Confidential" over things that they clearly should not be doing and shoving it under the rug. Wikileaks is a clear balance to that. Of course if Wikileaks starts spitting out really important documents that completely jeopardise US' position as a superpower, then they've gone too far.

It's a form of checks and balances, which is what democracy is about. If Wikileaks starts leaking stuff pertaining to national security so that the terrorists can figure out how to set up those bombs better, or they release the documents talking about the government's plans to screw North Korea/rogue countries hard in the ass, causing those countries to go nuts and prep their nukes for launch, then they go too far and the government clamps down on them and nukes everyone who is involved with Wikileaks at that time. If the US government is abusing its confidential stamps to cheat American citizens of their money, or they are making a plan to completely OMNOMNOMNOM Africa, then yes, Wikileaks should expose their evil stuff and make the citizens blast the damn politicians out of office.

To be fair Anon is a more powerful force than all the voters of America so meh. You have more people, but you can't agree on anything and then you have those silly brainwashed people throwing their votes at the worst options so nothing gets done.

[Ender the Xenocide]

Originally Posted by Starkipraggy

It's true that the government needs their privacy, but the government shouldn't have the power to just stamp "Confidential" over things that they clearly should not be doing and shoving it under the rug. Wikileaks is a clear balance to that. Of course if Wikileaks starts spitting out really important documents that completely jeopardise US' position as a superpower, then they've gone too far.

It's a form of checks and balances, which is what democracy is about. If Wikileaks starts leaking stuff pertaining to national security so that the terrorists can figure out how to set up those bombs better, or they release the documents talking about the government's plans to screw North Korea/rogue countries hard in the ass, causing those countries to go nuts and prep their nukes for launch, then they go too far and the government clamps down on them and nukes everyone who is involved with Wikileaks at that time. If the US government is abusing its confidential stamps to cheat American citizens of their money, or they are making a plan to completely OMNOMNOMNOM Africa, then yes, Wikileaks should expose their evil stuff and make the citizens blast the damn politicians out of office.

To be fair Anon is a more powerful force than all the voters of America so meh. You have more people, but you can't agree on anything and then you have those silly brainwashed people throwing their votes at the worst options so nothing gets done.

Bare with me while I am writing this post, it is being written while I am listening to John Powell's music score known as the "Treadstone Assassins."

But just what did the leaks accomplish? Were they simply released to piss people off? I mean, from what I have heard, pretty much the only outcome was harm to American/European relations? Neh?

[Hoshika]

That kind of reminds me about how parents decide whether or not to tell their children that Santa isn't real, or the tooth fairy isn't real, or that someday they'll be taxed to death if they don't work hard. I mean, a kid can ALWAYS believe in Santa, right? What's the point in telling them if they're just gonna be sad?

Personally I do believe in Santa with all my heart, and I'm going to teach this to my children too, so every Christmas we'll get special presents from Santa Claus.

[Lan.exe]

Originally Posted by TitaniumAnimations

Please be silent, no more.

Keep posting with two accounts.

[Ender the Xenocide]

Originally Posted by Temporal Snake

Keep posting with two accounts.

That will do, comrade.

[Traxx]

A lot of people and politicians are upset because Wikileaks is interfering with their negotiations....Although it is that country's fault for doing other things besides that...DOn't want to get too much into politics. I think I'll stop there.

(Also, Ender, please, when you post, make sure that whatever you say is over 4 words. It's a forum rule.

[Ender the Xenocide]

Originally Posted by Traxx

A lot of people and politicians are upset because Wikileaks is interfering with their negotiations....Although it is that country's fault for doing other things besides that...DOn't want to get too much into politics. I think I'll stop there.

(Also, Ender, please, when you post, make sure that whatever you say is over 4 words. It's a forum rule.

Better forum Nazi, sir? (jk)

[Larvinator]

Originally Posted by Ender the Xenocide

Bare with me while I am writing this post, it is being written while I am listening to John Powell's music score known as the "Treadstone Assassins."

But just what did the leaks accomplish? Were they simply released to piss people off? I mean, from what I have heard, pretty much the only outcome was harm to American/European relations? Neh?

I remember reading a very interesting article on this that essentially said Assange believes the governments are inherently corrupt and a scheme to make money, a conspiracy which he wishes to undermine. To that end, his goal is to get as many government secrets into the open as possible, since no conspiracy works without shadows. Unfortunately, I can't seem to locate that article, but I'll post it when I find it.

The only opinion I have on this is that Assange looks like an albino supervillain. That and it's pretty interesting to watch.

[Ender the Xenocide]

Originally Posted by Larvinator

I remember reading a very interesting article on this that essentially said Assange believes the governments are inherently corrupt and a scheme to make money, a conspiracy which he wishes to undermine. To that end, his goal is to get as many government secrets into the open as possible, since no conspiracy works without shadows. Unfortunately, I can't seem to locate that article, but I'll post it when I find it.

The only opinion I have on this is that Assange looks like an albino supervillain. That and it's pretty interesting to watch.

It could be an action like this that leads to world union, or world war.

[xXrealgoon420xX]

the majority of government supporters fail to realize that Wikileaks and similar organizations are the last

bastions of journalistic integrity against regimes that have effectively become police states
take a look at America: you only have first amendment rights if you follow what the majority dictates

look at England: you guys have a CCTV on every corner of the street and are preparing to criminalize hardcore pornography

and poor Sweden is so entrenched in political correctness that they are allowing Islam to essentially dominate their public and private spheres

wikileaks is a positive organization for the benefit of humanity because they take the level of information sharing to the next level, without any biases for country or political organization: with few small changes to protect those involved, they release their information as is

a common argument is: "But shouldn't there be some safeguards in governments? A civilian shouldn't know everything!"

i agree, but those cases are few and far between. it isn't a matter of national security to let us know that the war on terror is an incredible failure, and it isn't a matter of national security to allow conversations between diplomats be open to the public. its a matter of corporate and government sponsored interests, and the elite persuade you to join their cause because they have something to lose

wouldn't the world be much better if the politician was the one who feared his representatives, not the other way around? wouldn't things be better if governmental transactions and discussions were so open that countries couldn't war with each other, because the information would be known months beforehand? it would certainly be a safer world to live in

[Masami]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6mcSXge4Qo

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