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Old 08-03-2004, 04:24 PM
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Default Re: Wrong or Preference?

I've said this before, I'll say this again:

To Kill: To deny the right of life to someone

I don't believing killing is the answer to anything at all. Not just murder, either, but other kinds of killing.

Murder is just plain wrong because you're denying the right of life to someone. And no one should have that right.
Murder to protect your family is alright, but I still think that there are others ways.
Abortion to me is a sort of murder. I only believe in abortion within the two first months, but most people have an abortion a little later. Denying the right of life to your own child.
The death penalty. Someone should suffer life in prison instead; it's more of a punishment than the death penalty (although we don't have it in Canada; I hear it's in many other countries).

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Old 08-03-2004, 04:30 PM
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Murder:

Noun
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.


I think there is a difference between Murder and using Self Defense. Murdering someone is not just killing them. When you use self defense and kill somone a lot of times it is not considered murder depending upon the case/situation really.
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Old 08-03-2004, 11:12 PM
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It is still a murder. No matter how FAST you killed him or how free-of-pain it was you still ended the life of something that thinks and feels. Self-defence may be justified at times but it is still a murder.

We are in school, for example, if I punched you in the face because you pushed me first doesn't mean I wouldn't get in trouble! Even if it was self-defense I didn't have to take it to the means of fighting. Also if it was my only option, that wouldn't save me from the threat of being scolded or getting a detention. A punch is a punch, no matter when it came, it still is a punch.
You won't get in as much trouble because you did not throw the first punch. You will still get into trouble, but not as much as the other gy, at least in my school... my mom told me that if I was ever in a fight at school, and i DID NOT throw the first puch, meaning I was fighting in self-defense, than she would support me.
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Old 08-04-2004, 04:21 AM
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To me, fighting is fighting. There are alternatives to punching. First of all, I don't try to give anyone a reason to try and punch me. When someone does attempt to punch me, most of the time I do not punch back. I've been known to restrain another person, hold them down, keep them from hitting me. I've dodged punches. I've talked it out with people. I have done everything in my power to keep from punching people back.
The main reason I've always done this, is because in my schools anyone who throws and punch gets in trouble. First, second, third, forth person to punch, are all equally guilty. So I guess it's people's upbringings that make them think fighting or killing is wrong. Just like Matthew seems to not have a problem with punching back, because his school and his mother blames the person who started it. To me, if you punch period you are at fault, because that's what I've always been told by school.
Actually the original scenario, I believe, was "punching because someone pushed you", though.

I also think that life in prison is a more just/effective punishment than the death penalty.
Killing is not justified to me, and won't be. Whether it's killing out of self defense, revenge, punishment, whatever the reason.
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Old 08-09-2004, 09:12 PM
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I'd just like to know... why is murdering wrong? It seemed right according to Adolf Hitler...
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Old 08-09-2004, 09:33 PM
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=D you're an idiot. even though Hitler was a brilliant man, he was a pompous fool who loved his own power too much and was too stubborn to continue plans better than his. He killed without reason.

I do not think killing is wrong. you just have to have a good reason (e.g. not being angry or crazy). Killing a person is a drastic measure, because you can cause a lot of people grief. but, if your own life is in danger, you have to make a choice to cause grief to people you do not know or to the ones you love. pretty obvious choice. So I am not at all against killing, you just hav to have the right reasons (and there are little of those). Thus, I never kill a musquito, just because it can cause an itch. wich ever way you look at it, it's still a life.
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Old 08-10-2004, 08:39 PM
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I am not saying what Hitler did was right, I'm just saying that he thought murdering was the right thing to do. I need to know why murdering is wrong. If one person thinks murdering is wrong, and Hitler thought that it was okay, then who's right?
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Come on you cant actually prove that it is wrong it just is, well would u like to be killed? No so there you go, if someone does not want to die and you kill them its forcing them to do something they do not want to, and by law that is wrong anyway, so its really only you who can decide if you think murder is wrong, no body else can make that choise for you. The law says its wrong, but that does not mean you agree with that. I dissagree with all murders, and as was said if knowone tried to kill eachother then there would be no need for self defence. I just cant understand why people cant get on really, i know some really really bad people, i aint in the wrong crowd or anything, i do not understand they just seem to hate everyone, even if they dont know them. Well that my social problems i wont go into that. But its the same kinda thing, i just dont see why people dont get on, i mean its not like you have to love eachother, or even talk to eachother, just put up with them and respect them for who they are. Although in saying that i personly cant respect anyone who cant respect other people, kinda odd i know but hey. Wow i am blabing now i will stop.
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Old 08-12-2004, 01:31 AM
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it just seems likethe question of, "Why?" is being brought up continuously.
"Why is murdering wrong?"
so many people have already tried to explain this, and they really can't, we can only give you our thoughts and reasons, we can't explain it out for anyone, no one can. If at this point you still read the posts and don't see why people think murdering is wrong, then you just won't get it. You are reading with a closed mind, it seems. We shouldn't be asked to convince anyone that "mudering is wrong" and tell them why. We should only be allowed to give our words as data or information. Everyone can express what they feel, but it really shouldn't be a main goal of anyone's to convince others of a certain belief.

But has anyone been placed in a life threatening experience by another human being?
In my case, I've had someone come at me with a knife, I've had a baseball bat swung at my chest and head, and I've had a gun drawn and pointed at me. And in none of these cases did I try to kill that other person before they killed me.
Because I was able to control the situations. But I've always wondered "what if it got out of hand where they were uncontrollable?" "What would I do then?" and would I lose my self control or try to "protect myself".
And I can only speculate for now, because it's never gotten out of hand for me. But, I don't know if I would try to kill anyone.

And I have no idea what my point is now. So I guess I'm just asking a question:
Has anyone been placed in a highly dangerous, life threatening situation placed upon you by another person? If so, what did you do? And do you think it's right?
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Old 08-12-2004, 04:19 AM
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If one person (make that millions of people) thinks murdering is wrong, and Hitler thought that it was okay, then who's right?
Now let's see: it gets you in trouble, you cause a lot of grief and pain and end someone's life, causing him or her to not live it to the fullest and/or live out his/her dreams. Hm, I wonder what's wrong with that
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Old 08-12-2004, 04:24 PM
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My point is that you don't have any ethical absolutes. It's just a matter of opinion to you. You've reduced the question "is murder wrong"? to a question of... say... do you like chocolate?.

I'm against murder completely, just so you know.
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Old 08-12-2004, 10:18 PM
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there's not many other ways to explain or give an answer to the question.
People have given their personal opinions; religious, lawful, and virtuous reasonings; literal definitions, scientific answers...
There are so many ways to explain an answer, but no real way to explain an answer with only ethical absolutes and no opinions whatsoever.
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Old 08-13-2004, 04:00 PM
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Murder in any form except self defense is bad IMO. Abortion is wrong IMO.

But on what was be said before about abortion, I know it's wrong. I despise it. But what if the fetus is still alive, but is endangering the life of the carrier? Abortion would be fine then. Better to lose one life then two.

And another thing. The law does not recognise a fetus as a "life". Now what is up with that?
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Old 08-15-2004, 05:40 PM
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there's not many other ways to explain or give an answer to the question.
People have given their personal opinions; religious, lawful, and virtuous reasonings; literal definitions, scientific answers...
There are so many ways to explain an answer, but no real way to explain an answer with only ethical absolutes and no opinions whatsoever.
I can explain my answer with no opinions at all: God says so. It's His rule, I will follow it. It's in His Word.
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Old 08-15-2004, 05:49 PM
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You edited your first post. I don't think the original discussion had God in it. We were suppose to explain to non-christians why it was or was not wrong.

so I took that to mean you wanted us to explain our views without our religious preference. Which would've been a good debate, but to say that God says so and that's the bottom line, sure does make this easier for believers in God.
But from a non-controversial standpoint our debate with definitions and whatnot was better.
But that has no opinions whatsoever? I really classify belief in God as an opinion and/or choice/preference. So the question "Is murder wrong?" is obviously answered using preferences, not true "rightness" or "wrongness".
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