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05-06-2004, 10:56 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
It's a mini episode...
Ai and Mewtwo came out with the one hour special episode: Mewtwo Returns. Even though it had nothing to do with the story.
Pokemon the First Movie is actually supposed to be the sequel to Ai and Mewtwo.
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05-07-2004, 12:01 AM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Oh. Then the first episode would make more since if I watched Ai and Mewtwo episode. Man I wish I had seen it. Is it going to be shown again?
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05-07-2004, 12:17 AM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Kenshin, I have the story of Mewtwo's Origin on my Mewtwo Returns VHS (I think). Ai is not mentioned at all.
Was this on the Japanese version? Where can I get Mewtwo Returns that has that Mini?
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05-07-2004, 11:23 AM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
I've heard about it, but I have never seen it before... I'll better go rent Mewtow returns..
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05-07-2004, 03:47 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Aww, I would love to see that episode. I've heard of it but never seen it. Maybe that's why I love the first movie so much! ^^
Gotta download it when I get the frekin' sound back on my comp.
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05-10-2004, 08:17 AM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
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Originally Posted by bronislav84
Kenshin, I have the story of Mewtwo's Origin on my Mewtwo Returns VHS (I think). Ai is not mentioned at all.
Was this on the Japanese version? Where can I get Mewtwo Returns that has that Mini?
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I think you're referring to Mewtwo Strikes Back. There is another special episode DVD: Mewtwo Returns which contains Mewtwo's Origin with Ai in it. (Ember in English version because of the crappy dub...)
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05-10-2004, 11:32 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Crap. Now I have to go all the way to Japan. Why? I hate dubbed shows. I want the original in Japanese.
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05-19-2004, 06:28 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
xD this brings back memories.
At the time when Pokemon was a huge craze in the UK, Mew and Mewtwo were the most popular Pokemon wanted. Before Pokemon The First Movie was released, a friend at school brought in a pirate version(I know it's bad) and we all watched it. It was very cool and stuff, but i always knew there was a missing part.
Anyways, i'd like to see this sequel/episode or whatever it is. Certainly the baby Mewtwo looks brill!
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06-02-2004, 11:36 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
I can't stand 4Kids. I'll bet they took so long to show "Ai and Mewtwo" because they thought it was too intense that the real Ai died and then Aitwo and the clones of the three starter Pokemon. I'm surprised they have it available at all. Also interesting is the part about mentioning God. I think it's great they did that, but in the dub it is mysteriously missing. Ai (or "Amber" as she is called in the dub) only mentions the sun, wind, etc. Sad when a mostly non-Christian nation like Japan will mention God but then American dubbers take it out when America was founded on Christianity, but anyway, just a thought.
I would love to see the Japanese version of the short once I learn the language. It's really a deep, interesting, and moving story. And I hear that there's even more on the Radio Drama CD that comes with the "Birth of Mewtwo" CD (this is Japanese I'll have you know).
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06-02-2004, 11:39 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Dubbing can burn. I wanna see the real veirsion not some messed up crud made by idiotic-4-Kids.
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06-03-2004, 12:00 AM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Agreed. Pokemon just has a lousy dub. I like the dubs for other anime I've seen like Trigun, Rurouni Kenshin, etc. alot, but Pokemon's was ruined. 4Kids messes with everything. I think it sucks they changed the names of everything. Satoshi is changed to Ash Ketchum, Masara Town is changed to Pallet Town, Hitokage is changed to Charmander, etc. Jouto and Houen were even changed to Johto and Hoenn. That wasn't even necessary. And granted yes, Nintendo changed alot of the names when the games were put into English, so I partially blame them for this too. The dub voices started out ok, but now they've fallen way off, and aren't anything like the Japanese ones. Satoshi and Kojiro are some good examples. When Veronica Taylor started doing Satoshi's voice, it was alot closer to Rika Matsumoto's voice than it is today. Now it's all raspy and different. Kojiro's started pretty similar to the Japanese voice, and now it's an annoying gay voice (granted Kojiro cross dresses and all, but please, let's make this a little less annoying). And some of the new voices, like Booby (Magby) and Konohana (Nuzleaf), make me wince when I hear them. Lines are also changed or removed, as well as parts of eps I'm sure. And of course there are cut eps, like "Legend of Dratini" and "Electric Porygon Soldier", and God only knows why 4Kids was so lazy as to not dub the special episodes of Advance Generation. Then there's the music. Instead of leaving in the Japanese BGMs, which are very well done and fun to listen to, 4Kids decided to make their own music. So much of it is just dead annoying. The only dub music I really like is the stuff from the movies. That they actually did a good job one. But most of the tunes from the TV show are horrible. And finally, we come to the openings and endings. The only dub opening I liked much was the first season one. 2-5 are ok, but I detest the new 6th season one. It's awful, and not Japanese at all. And you can tell the visuals are cut up and sped up. I don't see why they couldn't have just left in all of the Japanese ones and added subtitles, or at least dubbed them. And while there are endings in Japan, there are none in the US. So yes, it seems virtually everything is changed. Down with 4Kids! Up with a company who will do a good dubbing job!
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06-03-2004, 12:06 AM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Double-Agreed. I don't speak much Japanese but I can figure it out. Theve screwed with it so bad, Its not even funny. Satoshi sounds like a stinkin dead mouse, Haruka sounds like a teen, and Kojiro as you said sounds like he sould be going to gay bars.  4-Kids have messed with it so much, it makes me sick.
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06-03-2004, 11:24 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
I consider Haruka as about 13 or so, but her dub voice sounds annoying and whiny. And at points it does share some similarities with Satoshi's mom. Her Japanese voice is a million times better. It's a much more beautiful voice.
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06-04-2004, 03:59 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
I've only seen the first, second, and third movies. I absolutely must go and rent all of the others. If Mewtwo Returns was a special, how come other specials like the one focused on Raikou didn't make it to the U.S. dubbed?
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12-28-2004, 08:13 PM
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Re: Ai and Mewtwo
Oh! I've seen it! I think its in the Mewtwo Strikes Back....But anyway, I found that so sad! I actually started to Cry. O.o
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