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Old 03-16-2005, 11:57 PM
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Default Re: FireRed and LeafGreen Move Tutor Moves

Tell me where it says anywhere that Umbreon can learn Substitute TM. That's not by Move Tutor. You can't show me, because Umbreon can't learn Substitute, but Eevee can.
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Old 03-17-2005, 06:55 AM
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Default Re: FireRed and LeafGreen Move Tutor Moves

Due to the way the URPG works, there are plenty of Pokémon that already learn far too many moves.

For example, as Mana brought up a while ago in this thread, Starmie and Snorlax can learn a whole hoarde of TMs, plus their natural movesets are quite nasty too.

If the fact that Pokémon will have too many moves after this is a problem, then why don't we start putting restrictions on the Pokémon that already have too many moves?

Why... because it doesn't make a difference.

You look at all the people who have Pokémon which have been taught every single TM available to them in the URPG. Some of the Pokémon who have been around since RBY have access to over 100 TMs, whereas the newcomers have access only to the TMs that could be attained in their own respective games.

Think about Chansey, that could learn a TON of TMs just in RBY, and because of its stats, the URPG has labelled it as one of the most powerful Pokémon a trainer could possibly own, which is why so few people have one.

So just saying that these Move Tutor moves will make the amount of moves learnable by one Pokémon too much is pointless, as some Pokémon already classify this way.

We finally got round to opening the Breeding Centre, right?

There are some Pokémon who can learn more moves via breeding than they can via the FR/LG Move Tutors, which again puzzles me as to why this idea is so heavily viewed against by certain individuals.

Well, that's all I have to say for now, I'll let you all decide, I mean, whenever he posts, what Jack says goes, so I might as well argue now rather than later.
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Old 03-17-2005, 08:41 AM
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Due to the way the URPG works, there are plenty of Pokémon that already learn far too many moves.

For example, as Mana brought up a while ago in this thread, Starmie and Snorlax can learn a whole hoarde of TMs, plus their natural movesets are quite nasty too.

If the fact that Pokémon will have too many moves after this is a problem, then why don't we start putting restrictions on the Pokémon that already have too many moves?

Why... because it doesn't make a difference.

You look at all the people who have Pokémon which have been taught every single TM available to them in the URPG. Some of the Pokémon who have been around since RBY have access to over 100 TMs, whereas the newcomers have access only to the TMs that could be attained in their own respective games.

Think about Chansey, that could learn a TON of TMs just in RBY, and because of its stats, the URPG has labelled it as one of the most powerful Pokémon a trainer could possibly own, which is why so few people have one.

So just saying that these Move Tutor moves will make the amount of moves learnable by one Pokémon too much is pointless, as some Pokémon already classify this way.

We finally got round to opening the Breeding Centre, right?

There are some Pokémon who can learn more moves via breeding than they can via the FR/LG Move Tutors, which again puzzles me as to why this idea is so heavily viewed against by certain individuals.

Well, that's all I have to say for now, I'll let you all decide, I mean, whenever he posts, what Jack says goes, so I might as well argue now rather than later.
Starmie and Snorlax can learn tons of TMs(Snorlax doesn't have a good natural movepool anyway, it's made up of most, if not all, normal type moves), but they have their own weaknesses. Starmie is easily taken out by a Snorlax, Swampert or a fast Electric type(Jolteon runs in, bam, there goes Starmie). Snorlax can easily be wiped out by a fighting type that can withstand one of Snorlax's hits(Fightings can easily 2HKO Snorlax), or basically anything that can stand physical hits. Throw a Forretress or Donphan in there and Snorlax is pretty much worthless. Of course, these Pokemon can set up, but frankly, you're not a good trainer if you allow your opponent to set up.

Chansey isn't good because it learns tons of TMs(Not like it can utilize most of it anyway... I mean, Bubblebeam, Blizzard, Egg Bomb, huh? 108 Attack and 198 Special Attack isn't anything...it's not anything at all), it's because it has good stats. Easily a 700+ HP and a 308 Special can eat all the Special Sweepers.

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I like the idea. Let's say, for example, Blaziken wants to learn Body Slam.
He cannot learn it as a TM. But he can learn it as a Move Tutor.
So you buy TM08 at the Pokemart and teach it as a MT.
However, I don't like the idea that every pokemon will be able to learn substitute. It's something that characterizes pokémon from the RBY series.
Maybe if we restricted MT somehow, either in the price of the TM or in the number of MT per Pokémon...
We still need Jack's aproval, and he's going to be away for a while.
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Substitute should not be excluded from the MT list just because it's a RBY-exclusive TM. I mean, I don't see any point in characterizing a RBY mon, it's not like they're holy, special, or anything.

I personally feel FRLG Move Tutor moves should be added in, but like the Breeding Center, it would require money. Lots of'em. That's the only way we can properly restrict them anyway.
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Old 03-17-2005, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: FireRed and LeafGreen Move Tutor Moves

I have finally read all this. I think its a great idea. I soo no problems with it at all.
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Old 03-17-2005, 04:28 PM
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Tell me where it says anywhere that Umbreon can learn Substitute TM. That's not by Move Tutor. You can't show me, because Umbreon can't learn Substitute, but Eevee can.
I'm well aware of that fact JT, but it is a very stupid rule. If Eevee, Flareon, Jolteon, and Vaporeon can learn Substitute, then give me one good reason why Espeon and Umbreon can't!

As you are all well aware, the URPG doesn't always work in the same way as the Gameboy games. In RS, Torchic can naturally learn Flamethrower. However his two evolved forms, Combusken and Blaziken, cannot. Despite this well known fact, all fully evolved Pokemon in the URPG can learn all of their own natural moves as well as all the moves of their previous forms. This means that Combuskken and Blaziken can still use Flamethrower. So why the hell can't they learn the same TMs as their previous forms?
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Old 03-18-2005, 01:01 AM
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Substitute should not be excluded from the MT list just because it's a RBY-exclusive TM. I mean, I don't see any point in characterizing a RBY mon, it's not like they're holy, special, or anything.

I personally feel FRLG Move Tutor moves should be added in, but like the Breeding Center, it would require money. Lots of'em. That's the only way we can properly restrict them anyway.
No, I never meant to exclude substitute from the MT list. I meant to restrict the number of Mt's that a pokemon will be able to learn. For example, only 2 Move Tutors, and paying double for each one of them, if they exist as a TM.
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Default Re: FireRed and LeafGreen Move Tutor Moves

He's some n00b who posted in here about 10 seconds after joining.

Obviously doesn't have a clue as to how the URPG works, which is proven by his case against Chansey.

Anyways, I just noticed that Zangoose can learn Counter through breeding.

If this goes through then fair enough, but due to my recent discovery, the outcome of this thread no longer concerns me.

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Old 03-24-2005, 10:59 PM
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Well I still think its a GREAT idea and we should do it.
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Default Re: FireRed and LeafGreen Move Tutor Moves

If Zangoose can learn Counter through breeding, then why not learn it form the TM?

And with the Umbreon/Espeon case of Substitute, I a previous evolution can learn an attack, the evolved form can use it, and therefore should be able to have it be taught to it in one way or another.
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So if Move Tutor moves are allowed, I can teach my Treecko Swords Dance?
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Old 03-28-2005, 10:22 AM
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So if Move Tutor moves are allowed, I can teach my Treecko Swords Dance?
Yes, but they are currntly not allowed. We need Jack to say something about all of this first.
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Old 03-28-2005, 10:29 PM
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Default Re: FireRed and LeafGreen Move Tutor Moves

let me explain some things:

-Umbreon cannot learn Substitute. you have to teach Sub to Eevee first then evolve it. Substitute is a TM in R/B and Umbreon is G/S and can't go back to R/B to be taught Substitute. But you can teach R/B Eevee Sub and go to G/S and evolve it to Umbreon.
-Same goes with Onix/Steelix and Explosion TM.

-Torchic can learn Flamethrower, it evovles to Combusken and Blaziken but they don't learn it themself. But because you evolved it from Torchic, the evovled forms will be able to use it. However, if you catch a Combusken, Combusken will not be able to learn Flamethrower because you did not have Torchic first.
-It's like catching Scizor and not being able to use moves from Scyther because you didn't catch/evolve Scyther first to be able to use those moves.
-Simple example: you catch Butterfree. it learns all of Butterfree's moves but nothing from Caterpie or Metapod (no Tackle, no Harden, no String Shot).

-the URPG is a role-play of sorts. there won't be limits to how many moves a Pokemon can learn. it's part of the game. there are ways around them and that's part of the challenge too.

-as far as Move Tutor, it won't be used. will it ever? who knows. but not at the moment.

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Well, now I have to figure out what to do with my Swords Dance TM...
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