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Fourth Generation Discuss the fourth generation Pokemon games: Diamond, Pearl, Platinum, HeartGold and SoulSilver.


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Old 01-26-2008, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: Why Isn't Blissey an Uber?

In my opinion Blissey isn't considered an Uber because it lacks in offense. It's most reliable non set-up move is Siesmic Toss which despite doing a steady 100 hp damage it's no where near deadly. Besides that what other options does Blissey have to go on the offensive I would say Calm Mind would be it's best bet but usually it doesn't work out to well unless you run a full special team because the majority of physical attackers are faster than Blissey who has iirc a 55 base speed stat. In short Blissey is just a sponge it can kill a pokemon or two but that doesn't make it an Uber because while it can shut you down defensively it can't do much offensively.
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No, Blissey needs Def EVs and Bold to be able to take any physical hit at all. It will survive Explosions with defense EVs. Its SDef is good enough.

And Dusknoir cannot beat Blissey, they will stall each other to death unless they're running very specific counters to each other.
I beat Blissey with Dusknoir without Dusknoir being a counter for Blissey. I used Fire Punch on it.
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Is Blissey good?

Yes.

Is Blissey a towering force that overcentralizes and imbalances the OU metagame?

Lolno.

Not an uber. :[
Yes it is. =/

Without it, things like Azelf, Porygon-Z, Alakazam, Gengar, Starmie, Infernape <Insert Special Sweeper here> wouldn't have much to stop it. There's Regice, and Snorlax as special walls, but they don't have a reliable recovery move (But they should get Recover, Slack Off respectively), so they would quickly get beaten down, by repeated attacks. Especially with the addition of Nasty Plot. So until they give the aforementioned two those moves, don't bother thinking about it.
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:46 AM
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Wubbuffet is uber because it can pretty much counter any attack sent to it.
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:47 AM
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Yes it is. =/

Without it, things like Azelf, Porygon-Z, Alakazam, Gengar, Starmie, Infernape <Insert Special Sweeper here> wouldn't have much to stop it. There's Regice, and Snorlax as special walls, but they don't have a reliable recovery move (But they should get Recover, Slack Off respectively), so they would quickly get beaten down, by repeated attacks. Especially with the addition of Nasty Plot. So until they give the aforementioned two those moves, don't bother thinking about it.
...I don't get it. o_O

Blissey's presence in the OU metagame is what keeps special sweepers like that balanced.

If it's balanced, it's not imbalanced. :[
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...I don't get it. o_O

Blissey's presence in the OU metagame is what keeps special sweepers like that balanced.

If it's balanced, it's not imbalanced. :[
I thought it said without it does the metagame become over-centralized and stuff. :x
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Old 01-27-2008, 01:55 AM
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I thought it said without it does the metagame become over-centralized and stuff. :x
Nah, I was saying that Blissey being there doesn't make the metagame overcentralized. In all fairness though a lot of those sweepers can be beaten by clever switching and use of resistances/immunities.
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:43 AM
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Wubbuffet is uber because it can pretty much counter any attack sent to it.
And you said Blissey wasn't Uber because it didn't have over 600 BST.

And whoever actually beat a Blissey with a Dusknoir's Fire Punch was battling an idiot.
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Old 01-27-2008, 11:19 AM
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And you said Blissey wasn't Uber because it didn't have over 600 BST.

And whoever actually beat a Blissey with a Dusknoir's Fire Punch was battling an idiot.
Well Wobbuffet is very different from Blissey so you can't compare them. Blissey has a great ability in Natural Cure helping it's walling abilities Wobbu however is like an instant death of the pokemon it was sent against you can't switch because of Shadow tag so you'll end up being Counter'd/ Mirror Coat'd to death.
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Default Re: Why Isn't Blissey an Uber?

That doesn't change the fact that you basically implied that all ubers must have a bst over 600.
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Old 01-28-2008, 11:28 AM
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That doesn't change the fact that you basically implied that all ubers must have a bst over 600.
I'm not sure if this is directed to me but if it is I'll have to say that I didn't imply anything. I never said that to be an uber a pokemon must have at least a 600 total in it's base stats. I'm only saying that Blissey can't do much besides stall and that doesn't make it uber.
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Old 01-28-2008, 02:38 PM
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Oh, not you. The other guy with the big font.
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Old 01-28-2008, 06:01 PM
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Default Re: Why Isn't Blissey an Uber?

Shedninjask my team has been blissey a lot using dusknoir, pain split, subsitue and focus punch. The only problem is that blissey is fast and could use moves like toxic on it, but if toxic misses the bliss is doomed.
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Old 01-28-2008, 06:29 PM
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SubPunch Noir? I think that falls under the definition of 'specialized counter'.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:12 PM
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Default Re: Why Isn't Blissey an Uber?

Now back to the blissey is uber topic, ok to make it short sweet and simple, blissey defences sucks and against fighting type moves blisey is 1 hit koed depening on the pokemon and depending on the move and even if it is not koed blisseys lack of speed makes sure its either a switch out or R.I.P bliss. Through I got to admit blissey could preform ve y well in the uber enviroment were special attacks are all the rage, through groundon and diagla have a tendacey to ko it in one hit. But still blissey is an uber enviroment is allways a force to be reconed with.
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