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Old 05-17-2009, 10:32 AM
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Default What is the best water-type for competitive play?

I want to know what is the most OU water-type pokemon that pros use, because I'm building my own competitive team. I already have 5, I just need 1, and that is a water type. Please, any help is acceptable.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:39 AM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

It honestly depends on what you want the water type to do for your team. :X What job does it need to do?
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:48 AM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

Well, I think I basically want it to be a heavy hitter as well as a good defender, with a chance against water types most common weaknesses. Basically that's it.
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Old 05-17-2009, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

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Well, I think I basically want it to be a heavy hitter as well as a good defender, with a chance against water types most common weaknesses. Basically that's it.
Big Defences+Hard Hitter is a tank, which water types tend to excel at. However you're unlikely to find one that can do all that as well as shrug off it's weaknesses easily this side of ubers.

You're best bet under those criteria would be a CM Cune or a Crocune:

Suicine@Leftovers
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252HP/252Def/6SpAtt
Calm Mind
Surf
Ice Beam/Rest
HP Electric/Sleep Talk

Ice Beam+HP Electric in the last slots is CM Cune, RestTalk is Crocune. This thing has big defences as requested, with Calm Mind boosting his SpAtt to help hit hard. Since water types fear grass and electric moves, both of which tend to be special attacks, one CM also makes your SpDef higher than maximal EV investment would. However as said before, there are very few pokes that can take repeated SE hits, and Cune is no exception. This is where Crocune comes in. The general idea is to come in on something that you counter/check, and set up a CM as they switch for a counter- almost definately a special sweeper since most suicine run max Def. From here you rest continually as they attack you, hopfully picking up extra CMs as you 'Talk. Do this until the damage they're doing is insignificant and then proceed to beat on them with boosted STAB surfs. CM Cune has better coverage but cannot take repeated beating as you requested.
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Old 05-17-2009, 01:05 PM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

Swampert is also a contender for this position, since it's immune to Electric, but you will have to watch out for Grass moves. since it will be 4x weak.
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Old 05-18-2009, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

My vote is for Swampert too. You do have the 4x Grass Weakness, but other than that, he's pretty good.
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:05 AM
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My vote is for Swampert too. You do have the 4x Grass Weakness, but other than that, he's pretty good.
Normally I'd agree that swampert fits the bill, but the OP asked for a poke who could stand a chance against it's normal weaknesses. A quad weakness kinds goes against that, don't ya think?
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Old 05-18-2009, 07:34 AM
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Normally I'd agree that swampert fits the bill, but the OP asked for a poke who could stand a chance against it's normal weaknesses. A quad weakness kinds goes against that, don't ya think?
Very true, my next thought would be one of the Water/Ice types, like maybe Cloyster or Lapras, but I'm just shooting it out there. Those probably aren't the best, but it's a start.
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Old 05-18-2009, 08:09 AM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

It depends on the type of use you intend to do for your Water-Type, then for defensive better using Suicune (what for me in DP Calmindless goes) well, while for reasons purely offenive better aiming at this Pokémon:


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Old 05-21-2009, 04:18 PM
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Normally I'd agree that swampert fits the bill, but the OP asked for a poke who could stand a chance against it's normal weaknesses. A quad weakness kinds goes against that, don't ya think?
Considering Grass moves don't appear very much in the standard metagame (unless tailored specifically to kill Swampert), it's a pretty safe bet. CM/CroCune also runs on the assumption that all the SE attacks coming at it will be from the Special side as per Advance.

And I can't believe none of us before Sebastian thought of Kingdra. Oh well.

Water/Ice is weak to Electric. gg.
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Old 05-21-2009, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

I haven't seen anyone hear mentioning Tentacruel!

Yes, Tenacruel is naturally high in Spe. Def and Speed, so if you train it in special attack and max it out, you should have yourself a deadly sweeper.

I know from experience, I bred my own Tentacruel for this reason, he has decent IVs and I taught him:

Hydro Pump
Ice Beam
Sludge Bomb (Highly efficent against waters)
Giga Drain (mostly for swampert :pp)

and I equipped the life orb for maximum damage.

I think tentacruel was one of the best pokemon I've bred,
He seems to last long enough to deal decent damage to my opponent.

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Old 05-22-2009, 12:29 AM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

Tentacruel is weak only to Electric, but it has high Sp.Def. However, pretty much every competitive battler worth their salt knows that, and instead of eating Thunderbolt you may be faced with an Earthquake instead, which is far more devastating to the jellyfish due to weak Defense.
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Old 05-22-2009, 06:23 AM
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Default Re: What is the best water-type for competitive play?

I never would have thought about Tentacruel, but sounds like it could work pretty well if used the right way. ....but my vote is still for Swampert, even with his 4x Grass weakness.
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Old 05-22-2009, 09:07 PM
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Gyrados is probably No1 then Suicune then Swampert. Gyrados is a rediculous attacker and can sweep with just one DD in and Suicune can wall like no other or be offensive and sweep easily as well. Swampert is generally just a bulky poke used as a lead but the curse set can rape late game. Kingdra is pretty good he is similar to Gyrados just with a Dragon typing instead of Flying.
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if u want a good water type thats a sweeper, go with starmie
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