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Old 05-20-2009, 12:02 AM
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Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Serene Grace
EV Distribution: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset:
- Body Slam
- Iron Head
- Trick
- U-turn

SR leads are omnipresent in today's metagame (in OU, at least), so Tricking a Choice Scarf on to them usually forces them into Stealth Rock. From there on, I use Body Slam. If my opponent switches out, s/he might get their Pokemon PAR'd. If not, who cares, the other mon is locked into SR anyways. Once I get my opponent PAR'd, I spam Iron Head. U-turn is useful against Magnezones and Celebis, or if my opponent starts off with an attacking move or something.


Item: Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EV Distribution: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset:
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge

Gyarados is a monster in the battlefield after it gets a Dragon Dance in. The occasional Flinch from Waterfall can help me gain the advantage, but even without the Flinch, it's still an extremely powerful move. SE and EQ are for coverage and for things that resist Waterfall if I need it. Sure, Swampert screws this over, but who cares? :P


Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Timid
Ability: Serene Grace
EV Distribution: 4 HP / 252 Spe / 252 SpA
Moveset:
- Air Slash
- Aura Sphere
- Hidden Power Ice
- Flamethrower

I fell in love with Togekisses a while back, so it's pretty typical for me to have one of these on my team. Last time, I had an NP Togekiss. That usually fell because of its less-than-par Speed, so I Scarfed this one. Occasionally it proves to be a mistake, but usually, Scarfed Air Slash can Flinchax my opponents, which helps to just piss them off and make them do stupid things. ^_^;; Aura Sphere, HP Ice, and FT are provide excellent coverage, too, and my opponents don't always see them coming because Togekiss isn't as common as things like Scizor or Salamence in the metagame. I haven't seen one in a while, as a matter of fact. :o Also, this being the only Pokemon on my team who can defeat a defensive counter makes it pretty useful.


Item: Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Intimidate
EV Distribution: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset:
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Stone Edge

Kind of like my Gyarados, Salamence has a higher Speed and Attack, but I tend to spam Outrage with it just to weaken my opponents' Pokemon - I honestly don't care whether it KOs or not since it usually deals a lot of damage, allowing me to finish my opponent's Pokemon off with a priority move from one of the following two Pokemon.


Item: Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Inner Focus
EV Distribution: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset:
- Close Combat
- Crunch
- Extremespeed
- Swords Dance

Ah, Lucario. He is easily the backbone of my team. I usually save him for around the end when I'm panicking. After I pull off a quick Swords Dance, he usually is able to sweep with Extremespeed. Close Combat is usually what I pick if Lucario needs the extra power, and Crunch is what I use if I want to save PP on the other moves.


Item: Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EV Distribution: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Moveset:
- Brick Break
- Bullet Punch
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor

Scizor's more or less the finisher - he deals with what's left over with Bullet Punch. Usually I can toss in a Swords Dance, too. Brick Break deals with Steels that counter Bullet Punch, and X-scissor is what I use in case Scizor needs the extra power. :o
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:28 PM
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You have an immense weakness to Stealth Rock, if an is had SD-Lucario to the I intern of a team it doesn't have a lot of sense use Scizor as Swords Dancer, I would propose to make it Choice Bander, ScarfDos it does you bad and also electric Pokémon as Jolteon.
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Old 05-21-2009, 03:11 AM
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I would suggest changing the EVs on Jirachi to Speed: 112/176 speed, 112 outspeeds base 130 and 176 outspeeds everything else.

you should really consider adding a pursuit bait pokemon, giving Lucario a free SD and stuff
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:12 PM
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You have an immense weakness to Stealth Rock, if an is had SD-Lucario to the I intern of a team it doesn't have a lot of sense use Scizor as Swords Dancer, I would propose to make it Choice Bander, ScarfDos it does you bad and also electric Pokémon as Jolteon.
Yeah, but I usually save Scizor for the end, so I Banded it, then it would lose its freedom to change moves, and I need that if I'm unable to switch it out.
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Old 05-23-2009, 07:32 PM
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You've done a good job reversing the weaknesses of this team.
Good ;D

However here's a catch I found.
Jirachi is a anti lead. You messed up on the evs. You have the same moveset which is good. But the evs are the bad part. Try 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
You should have no problem.
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Old 05-24-2009, 12:26 AM
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You've done a good job reversing the weaknesses of this team.
Good ;D

However here's a catch I found.
Jirachi is a anti lead. You messed up on the evs. You have the same moveset which is good. But the evs are the bad part. Try 80 HP / 252 Atk / 176 Spe
You should have no problem.
Nah, I like to keep Speed maximized, just for the sake of bringing Jirachi in again at later points in the game (those extra EVs probably saved me from defeat just this morning, as a matter of fact).
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Old 05-24-2009, 12:42 AM
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Nah, I like to keep Speed maximized, just for the sake of bringing Jirachi in again at later points in the game (those extra EVs probably saved me from defeat just this morning, as a matter of fact).
Okay what ever works for you!
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Old 05-24-2009, 01:29 AM
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I've used both ScarfJirachi and ScarfKiss. They both work well. :D

There are no walls or support Pokemon on this team, though. Just physical sweepers barring Togekiss. That could hurt you!! Also...

FIRE BLAST > FLAMETHROWER.
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Old 05-24-2009, 02:23 AM
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I've used both ScarfJirachi and ScarfKiss. They both work well. :D

There are no walls or support Pokemon on this team, though. Just physical sweepers barring Togekiss. That could hurt you!! Also...

FIRE BLAST > FLAMETHROWER.
That's wrong. Fire Blast has 5 pp. And Flamethrower has 15 with a power of 95 and a 100% chance of hitting. Fire blast has a 120 but has 85 acc. So
Flamethrower > Fire Blast
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Old 05-24-2009, 09:47 AM
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That's wrong. Fire Blast has 5 pp. And Flamethrower has 15 with a power of 95 and a 100% chance of hitting. Fire blast has a 120 but has 85 acc. So
Flamethrower > Fire Blast
Actually, it completely depends on the situation and the Pokemon using the move.

I agree with Sebastian that you have a big Stealth Rock weakness with no Spinner. And since 2/3 of your SR-weak mon carry Life Orb, they probably won't last very long. You yourself even said Jirachi's meant to Trick Choice Scarf on to an SR lead. And as pointed out by Sota, you have too many Physical attackers and no support/walls. I'd drop one of them, probably one that's weak to SR, for a Support Spinner. Since you've got no walls, maybe a Surf/Rapid Spin/Recover/Reflect Starmie? Plus Starmie could bait Pursuit for Lucario, like ronjocox said.
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Just a quick note, everything on this team is physical except for Togekiss >___>

That will probably be a problem if kiss dies and your opponent has Hippowdon.
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Just a quick note, everything on this team is physical except for Togekiss >___>

That will probably be a problem if kiss dies and your opponent has Hippowdon.
But Gyarados would be able to deal with that right? Idk, I would've thought that Skarmory/Bronzong would've been more of an issue since they resist Outrage, are immune to Earthquake, and Zong resists Stone Edge. But yeah, Tacos is right, if Kiss dies you're kinda stuck.
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Old 05-24-2009, 07:43 PM
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Just a quick note, everything on this team is physical except for Togekiss >___>

That will probably be a problem if kiss dies and your opponent has Hippowdon.
I'm aware of that. Also, Hippowdon isn't a problem. I've defeated countless Hippowdons with my Jirachi's Iron Head hax. And if that fails, the Hippowdon's usually within KOing range for Lucario's Extremespeed.

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But Gyarados would be able to deal with that right? Idk, I would've thought that Skarmory/Bronzong would've been more of an issue since they resist Outrage, are immune to Earthquake, and Zong resists Stone Edge. But yeah, Tacos is right, if Kiss dies you're kinda stuck.
I'm not stupid, I don't waste Togekiss. I try to avoid using it until I desperately need it to win. :o

And SR doesn't bug me. I don't know why, but it just doesn't. I find that teams that lay SR on the first turn are the ones I usually end up having the easiest time against. :o

And I'm fine without a wall for the time being. With Jirachi or Togekiss Scarfed into Air Slash, I have no need to sustain damage, because I can usually hax my opponents. And if that doesn't work, one of my sweepers can wrap up the job.
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