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ronjocox
08-31-2007, 12:43 AM
Zangoose@Focus Sash
Adamant
252 ATK 252 SPD 6HP
~SD
~Quick Attack
~Close Combat
~Night Slash

This set is godly if used correctly.

Banette@Leftovers
252 ATK 252 SPD
Adamant
~Knock Off
~Destiny Bond
~T-Wave
~Shadow Claw

Resists Megahorn and dodges Close Combat from Hera as a Pro.

Aggron@Leftovers
adamant
252 HP 206 ATK 52 DEF
~Focus Punch
~Stone Edge
~EQ
~Sub

Sub-Punching Rocks. This is my physical tank.

Mantine@Leftovers
252 HP 64 SP ATK 192 SP DEF
Calm
~Ice beam
~Surf
~Toxic
~Haze

SP Tank. And Hazer.

Porygon-Z@Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SP ATK 252 SPD
~Tri Attack
~T-Bolt
~I-Beam
~Psychic

I know this is OU, but this is my fav poke.

Machamp@Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP
~EQ
~Ice Punch
~Dynamic Punch
~Stone edge

meh, this is BL ATM.

Cool Kid 94
08-31-2007, 12:55 AM
Not bad, I don't see anything really wrong with this...

Ace123456789
08-31-2007, 01:00 AM
Zangoose@Focus Sash
Adamant
252 ATK 252 SPD 6HP
~SD
~Quick Attack
~Close Combat
~Night Slash

This set is godly if used correctly.

Lapras@Leftovers
252 HP 128 ATK 128 SPD
Adamant
~Waterfall
~DD
~Ice Shard
~Body slam

This surprises people!

Aggron@Leftovers
adamant
252 HP 206 ATK 52 DEF
~Focus Punch
~Stone Edge
~EQ
~Sub

Sub-Punching Rocks. This is my physical tank.

Mantine@Leftovers
252 HP 64 SP ATK 192 SP DEF
Calm
~Ice beam
~Surf
~Toxic
~Haze

SP Tank. And Hazer.

Porygon-Z@Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SP ATK 252 SPD
~Tri Attack
~T-Bolt
~I-Beam
~Psychic

I know this is OU, but this is my fav poke.

Machamp@Choice Band/Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP
~EQ
~Ice Punch
~Dynamic Punch
~Stone edge

meh, this is BL ATM.
ooooo i like it! On Zangoose, one cool combination/strategy moveset would be this:
Zangoose w/ Focus Sash
Adamant
252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Counter
Flail
Night Slash
Quick Attack/Close Combat

I personally have never used this (except on Shoddy Battle where it worked well as a starter) but I think it is ALOT of fun to use. Lately I've been trying to make the game more fun and less stressful and competitive, so this guy is ALOT of fun to use!

You might want to watch out for a Scarfed Heracross, as four of your pokemon are weak to fighting... Not much to say, maybe try to get the egg move Mud Sport on Mantine so Electric attacks don't hurt it as much. It will make it and Lapras feel alot safer.

BTW, I REALLY LIKE THE LAPRAS!!! I would never expect that to happen! It also serves as a great Milotic counter. good luck with this, when its ready we should have a battle... if i ever get my new team together XD!!!

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 01:06 AM
-QUOTE-

Im Planning on using a ghost(Most likely Haunter)

Instead of maybe Porygon-Z?

Haelleah
08-31-2007, 01:06 AM
XD I ran into a D-Dance Lapras in Battle Tower the other day. It creamed me pretty good, since I wasn't expecting it to be a physical sweeper. That's a pretty good trick to pull out of your sleeve when the going gets rough.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 01:18 AM
XD I ran into a D-Dance Lapras in Battle Tower the other day. It creamed me pretty good, since I wasn't expecting it to be a physical sweeper. That's a pretty good trick to pull out of your sleeve when the going gets rough.

Sweet.

Anyway, Choice Band or Choice Scarf on Machamp?

Kick the Moon
08-31-2007, 01:20 AM
Sweet.

Anyway, Choice Band or Choice Scarf on Machamp?

Scarf. Without Choice Scarf, it can't sweep effectively. =(

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 01:22 AM
Scarf. Without Choice Scarf, it can't sweep effectively. =(

Okay.

I just need to get Mantine, then I'm done!

T r I p L e x
08-31-2007, 01:28 AM
Okay.

I just need to get Mantine, then I'm done!

wow ronjo how do you make teams so fast.

Ace123456789
08-31-2007, 01:29 AM
Im Planning on using a ghost(Most likely Haunter)

Instead of maybe Porygon-Z?
why Haunter...? lol just use Gengar bud... but that might work good. i have an ev trained Haunter if you want one. :D

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 01:30 AM
why Haunter...? lol just use Gengar bud... but that might work good. i have an ev trained Haunter if you want one. :D
Haunter is UU and Gengar is OU.
wow ronjo how do you make teams so fast.
People supply me with the pokes. :)

Kick the Moon
08-31-2007, 01:30 AM
why Haunter...? lol just use Gengar bud... but that might work good. i have an ev trained Haunter if you want one. :D

If you trade it, it's gonna evolve. lol

Nice team though. No one expects mantine! All hail Mantine! O_o

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 01:32 AM
If you trade it, it's gonna evolve. lol

Nice team though. No one expects mantine! All hail Mantine! O_o

Give it an everstone and it won't.
No negative comments so far...

T r I p L e x
08-31-2007, 01:32 AM
If you trade it, it's gonna evolve. lol

Nice team though. No one expects mantine! All hail Mantine! O_o

ya but you can just hit bbbbbbbb a few times to stop evolution.

thats not a bad idea. post things that you need in the trade forum.

mjb4991
08-31-2007, 01:43 AM
You cant stop trades with b.

Good Team. 10/10

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 04:49 PM
You cant stop trades with b.

Good Team. 10/10

Thanks for the info.

This team is finished.

Anyway, it's battle record is 2 wins and 0 losses.

PaPeRpLaNe
08-31-2007, 05:13 PM
Zangoose@Focus Sash
Admant
252 ATK 252 SPD 6HP
~SD
~Quick Attack
~Close Combat
~Night Slash

Fine.

Lapras@Leftovers
252 HP 128 ATK 128 SPD
Adamant
~Waterfall
~DD
~Ice Shard
~Return



Aggron@Leftovers
adamant
252 HP 206 ATK 52 DEF
~Focus Punch
~Stone Edge
~EQ
~Sub

Fine.

Mantine@Leftovers
252 HP 64 SP ATK 192 SP DEF
Calm
~Ice beam
~Surf
~Toxic
~Haze

SP Tank. And Hazer.

Porygon-Z@Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SP ATK 252 SPD
~Tri Attack
~T-Bolt
~I-Beam
~Psychic

I know this is OU, but this is my fav poke.

Machamp@Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP
~EQ
~Ice Punch
~Dynamic Punch
~Stone edge

meh, this is BL ATM.

I just want to point out that 4 Pokes are Weak to Fight Moves, so watch out for Scarf Hera and co.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 05:14 PM
I just want to point out that 4 Pokes are Weak to Fight Moves, so watch out for Scarf Hera and co.

I think that Hera is not UU/BL.

Stubby Boardman
08-31-2007, 05:59 PM
if used correctly this would be a great team

zukirin
08-31-2007, 06:50 PM
Meh I would say change Ice Shard....You got DD to boost you to VERY high Speeds. So Ice Shard is kinda irrelevent....

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 06:51 PM
Meh I would say change Ice Shard....You got DD to boost you to VERY high Speeds. So Ice Shard is kinda irrelevent....
Yeah, but what will replace it?

Somebody Else
08-31-2007, 06:58 PM
Avalanche. Although I think that might always go last.... Hmm, Body Slam is fun, 30% Para.

- DD
- Body Slam/Return
- Waterfall
- Confuse Ray

Tank/Sweeper/Annoyer, all in one. Yay.

Special movepool is so much better though. Tbolt, Psychic, Surf, Ice Beam, Ancientpower, even Sing/Dream Eater.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 06:59 PM
Avalanche. Although I think that might always go last.... Hmm, Body Slam is fun, 30% Para.

- DD
- Body Slam
- Waterfall
- Confuse Ray/Sing
Ice Shard is for the likes of DDmence and other Fast Dragons.

Leman
08-31-2007, 07:40 PM
Zangoose@Focus Sash
Adamant
252 ATK 252 SPD 6HP
~SD
~Quick Attack
~Close Combat
~Night Slash

Fine, thought I'd run Jolly.

This set is godly if used correctly.

Lapras@Leftovers
252 HP 80 Atk/ 176 Sspd
Adamant
~Waterfall
~DD
~Ice Shard
~Thunderbolt/Heal Bell/Sing/Thunder Wave/Confuse Ray

This surprises people!

Aggron@Leftovers
adamant
252 HP 204 ATK 52 DEF
~Focus Punch
~Stone Edge
~EQ
~Sub

Sub-Punching Rocks. This is my physical tank.

Fine

Mantine@Leftovers
252 HP 64 SP ATK 192 SP DEF
Calm
~Ice beam
~Surf
~Toxic
~Haze

Fine

SP Tank. And Hazer.

Porygon-Z@Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SP ATK 252 SPD
~Tri Attack
~T-Bolt
~I-Beam
~Psychic

I know this is OU, but this is my fav poke.

P-2 is BL, so you could try that

Machamp@Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP
~Fire Blast/Thunder Punch
~Ice Punch
~Dynamic Punch
~Stone edge

meh, this is BL ATM.

Nope. This is still OU. You could aslways try Primeape/Poliwrath.


RAted your team. :P

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 07:57 PM
RAted your team. :P

But according to Smogon, it is BL.

-Holland-
08-31-2007, 10:21 PM
The only thing I see that can go wrong with this team is Aggron. His Speed is simply underwhelming...which is way better than its best. However, if you survive the first turn, then you're good in the running.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 10:23 PM
The only thing I see that can go wrong with this team is Aggron. His Speed is simply underwhelming...which is way better than its best. However, if you survive the first turn, then you're good in the running.
Aggron can survive any none physical SE (X4) in the game.

Plus, Sub-Punching rocks.

-Holland-
08-31-2007, 10:35 PM
Aggron can survive any none physical SE (X4) in the game.

Plus, Sub-Punching rocks.

That is a valid point, by fact...Touche. Good job. I see nothing wrong with this team other than the 66% Fighting weakness. I guess it's overcome by Z, but Porygon-Z bears this weakness as well.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 10:37 PM
That is a valid point, by fact...Touche. Good job. I see nothing wrong with this team other than the 66% Fighting weakness. I guess it's overcome by Z, but Porygon-Z bears this weakness as well.

I mean physical...

Not none phyiscal.

-Holland-
08-31-2007, 11:09 PM
I mean physical...

Not none phyiscal.

Yeah, I got that. Just beware of Starmies...But, I guess in those cases, you switch to Zangoose or something.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 11:11 PM
Yeah, I got that. Just beware of Starmies...But, I guess in those cases, you switch to Zangoose or something.

Actually I would switch into Mantine or Lapras to heal because both of their abilltys are Water Absorb.

-Holland-
08-31-2007, 11:26 PM
Actually I would switch into Mantine or Lapras to heal because both of their abilltys are Water Absorb.

It depends on the trainer. It may use Thunderbolt as a precaution.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 11:30 PM
It depends on the trainer. It may use Thunderbolt as a precaution.

But if they don't know if I use M-Tine and DDpras, they will use Surf 95% of the time.

-Holland-
08-31-2007, 11:45 PM
But if they don't know if I use M-Tine and DDpras, they will use Surf 95% of the time.

You need to be prepared for that other 5% as well. It's not like other trainers are incompetent. If they send out Starmie against Aggron typically, they'll anticipate that the Aggron-user will switch out to something else...like a Water type, so they'll use Thunderbolt as a precaution.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 11:46 PM
You need to be prepared for that other 5% as well. It's not like other trainers are incompetent. If they send out Starmie against Aggron typically, they'll anticipate that the Aggron-user will switch out to something else...like a Water type, so they'll use Thunderbolt as a precaution.

Then should Lapras<Quagsire?

-Holland-
08-31-2007, 11:50 PM
Then should Lapras<Quagsire?

If you can come up with a good moveset that works. Of course, by that time, your Water types will counter the types that are super effective against Water: Grass and Electric.

ronjocox
08-31-2007, 11:54 PM
If you can come up with a good moveset that works. Of course, by that time, your Water types will counter the types that are super effective against Water: Grass and Electric.

Since most Grass moves are special, Mantine walls them.

If they are physical, then I could probably switch into Aggron.

Quagsire@Leftovers
252 HP// 60 ATK//192 DEF
Relaxed
-Curse
-Earthquake
-Waterfall
-Ice Beam

-Holland-
08-31-2007, 11:56 PM
Looks good to me. Ice Beam may not do much, but at least it's a good offense against Grass types.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 12:03 AM
Looks good to me. Ice Beam may not do much, but at least it's a good offense against Grass types.

I just realized that some Starmies carried Grass knot.

-Holland-
09-01-2007, 12:09 AM
Ah...I forgot about that...Man, this is tough. It's such a great team, too.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 12:10 AM
Ah...I forgot about that...Man, this is tough. It's such a great team, too.

Isn't it wrong to use starmie in a UU/BL metagame? :/

-Holland-
09-01-2007, 12:12 AM
Isn't it wrong to use starmie in a UU/BL metagame? :/

The way I see it, Starmie is BL. I've only seen it a few times. In my eyes, it's close to UU.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 12:14 AM
The way I see it, Starmie is BL. I've only seen it a few times. In my eyes, it's close to UU.
Personally, I think it's OU.

If it was BL/UU, it would be on my team.

-Holland-
09-01-2007, 12:15 AM
Personally, I think it's OU.

If it was BL/UU, it would be on my team.

Point taken. If all else fails, stick to Lapras. It's really en excellent combo...It's just that your team has some minute, but common flaws.

Beech Daly
09-01-2007, 03:45 AM
I believe Starmie is well OU. I've seen Starmie way too often.
That's like putting Ursaring against Weavile.
But Zangoose w/ Focus Sash and Night Slash is perfect against Starmie and most Psychic Special Sweepers.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 03:45 AM
I believe Starmie is well OU. I've seen Starmie way too often.
That's like putting Ursaring against Weavile.
But Zangoose w/ Focus Sash and Night Slash is perfect against Starmie and most Psychic Special Sweepers.

Yeah, I knida figured that out.

Fire Away
09-01-2007, 03:58 AM
Personally I like Gastrodon over Quagsire for UU Bulkies, if only for the fact that he gets Recover. With Curse and Recover in play you become incredibly difficult to kill. You have to sacrifice another moveslot, but it's worth it, in my opinion.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 04:02 AM
Personally I like Gastrodon over Quagsire for UU Bulkies, if only for the fact that he gets Recover. With Curse and Recover in play you become incredibly difficult to kill. You have to sacrifice another moveslot, but it's worth it, in my opinion.

What would be a good moveset? I can't find any on smogon.

Fire Away
09-01-2007, 04:07 AM
What would be a good moveset? I can't find any on smogon.



Gastrodon@Leftovers
EVs: think Cursepert here
Curse
Waterfall
EQ
Recover

He doesn't have any physical Ice moves to kill grasses, but you could try doing a mixed build and include Ice Beam if they're really bothering you. I think you should be fine though.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 04:08 AM
Gastrodon@Leftovers
EVs: think Cursepert here
Curse
Waterfall
EQ
Recover

He doesn't have any physical Ice moves to kill grasses, but you could try doing a mixed build and include Ice Beam if they're really bothering you. I think you should be fine though.

Doesn't it learn avanlache somehow?

Fire Away
09-01-2007, 04:11 AM
Doesn't it learn avanlache somehow?

Nah. Checked Serebii, bulbapedia and Psypokes. :(

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 04:14 AM
Nah. Checked Serebii, bulbapedia and Psypokes. :(
That sucks.

What will it do to get around Grass types?

Fire Away
09-01-2007, 04:23 AM
You could opt to switch out one of the attacks for Ice Beam. That's basically all he can do to counter grass types, sadly. :/

If I see a Grass Knot/grass type switch in though, I usually switch anyways, no matter what Bulky Water I'm using.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 04:25 AM
You could opt to switch out one of the attacks for Ice Beam. That's basically all he can do to counter grass types, sadly. :/

If I see a Grass Knot/grass type switch in though, I usually switch anyways, no matter what Bulky Water I'm using.
It does learn Sludge Bomb, correct?

The Jr Trainer
09-01-2007, 04:27 AM
It does learn Sludge Bomb, correct?

Yes, that would be correct. ^^

Fire Away
09-01-2007, 04:28 AM
It does learn Sludge Bomb, correct?

It does, but I'd still prefer Ice Beam over it. It's stronger and kills a lot more stuff than Sludge Bomb does, including, of course, your main problem here.

ronjocox
09-01-2007, 04:30 AM
It does, but I'd still prefer Ice Beam over it. It's stronger and kills a lot more stuff than Sludge Bomb does, including, of course, your main problem here.

There is Blizzard, which is generally more powerful than Ice Beam.

Fire Away
09-01-2007, 04:34 AM
There is Blizzard, which is generally more powerful than Ice Beam.

And generally more unreliable, too. You're not running Hail anywhere, so I don't reccomend it.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:00 AM
Okay, I revised it up a bit.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:12 AM
Zangoose@Focus Sash
Adamant
252 ATK 252 SPD 6HP
~SD
~Quick Attack
~Close Combat
~Shadow Claw/X-Scizzor

Nice, but I'd use Shadow Claw or X-Scissor instead of Night Slash

Lapras@Leftovers
128 HP 128 ATK 2252 SPD
Adamant
~Waterfall
~DD
~Ice Shard
~Body slam

It surprised me, lol. Too low Speed

Aggron@Leftovers
adamant
252 HP 252 ATK 6 DEF
~Focus Punch
~Rock Slide
~EQ
~Sub

252 Attack could save you a WHOLE battle. And you don't really need SE so you should use Rock Slide.

Mantine@Wacan Berry/lefties
252 HP 252 SP DEF
Calm
~Protect
~Surf/Ice Beam
~Toxic
~Haze

WTF 64 Sp. Attack? You don't need it. And 2 Damage moves on a Tank?

Porygon-Z@Choice Scarf
Modest
252 SP ATK 252 SPD 6 HP
~Tri Attack
~T-Bolt
~I-Beam
~Psychic

Why Timid? Use Modest. And you didn't put 6 HP :tongue:

Machamp@Choice Band
Jolly
252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP
~EQ
~Ice Punch
~Dynamic Punch
~Stone edge

You should use a Band.

This set might be used over Lapras.

Quagsire@Leftovers
252 HP 252 Attack, 6 Defense
Adamant
-Curse
-Earthquake
-Waterfall
-Stine Edge

My god, you don't need Defense, unless your a Phyical Wall, which I don't Suggest

All changes in bold.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:16 AM
All changes in bold.

Actually, I think that your suggestions are not very good. Plus, I edited Lapras with another poke.

Mantine Need SP ATK EVs, because it is a tank, not a wall.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:17 AM
Actually, I think that your suggestions are not very good. Plus, I edited Lapras with another poke.

Mantine Need SP ATK EVs, because it is a tank, not a wall.

Barely a Tank :P. IMO, it's better as a wall.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:19 AM
Barely a Tank :P. IMO, it's better as a wall.
But on Smogon, it is generally a Tank. :P

Plus, Lapras isn't there anymore.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:21 AM
But on Smogon, it is generally a Tank. :P

Plus, Lapras isn't there anymore.

Um... Knock Off should be replaced with Confuse Ray, Shadow Sneak, or Sucker Punch.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:23 AM
Um... Knock Off should be replaced with Confuse Ray, Shadow Sneak, or Sucker Punch.
I lol'd at that suggestion.

Knock Off is needed, IMO.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:25 AM
I lol'd at that suggestion.

Knock Off is needed, IMO.

True, but all the Attack is going to waste. I think This EV spread might be good. 252 HP, 128 Attack, 128 Speed.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:29 AM
True, but all the Attack is going to waste. I think This EV spread might be good. 252 HP, 128 Attack, 128 Speed.

It needs speed to make Destiny Bond work.

pokemaster1111
09-04-2007, 01:30 AM
Um... Knock Off should be replaced with Confuse Ray, Shadow Sneak, or Sucker Punch.

You also need Sucker Punch, it comes in handy when you're in a sticky situation

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:31 AM
You also need Sucker Punch, it comes in handy when you're in a sticky situation

Seriously, what is it gonna do to a Heracross?

The only reason I have it is a Fighting counter.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:35 AM
Seriously, what is it gonna do to a Heracross?

The only reason I have it is a Fighting counter.

I know. 252 HP, 252 Speed. And the set:

Banette@Lefties
Timid - 252 HP, 252 Speed, 6 Defense
Destiny Bond
T-wave/Toxic
Imprison
T-bolt

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:37 AM
I know. 252 HP, 252 Speed. And the set:

Banette@Lefties
Timid - 252 HP, 252 Speed, 6 Defense
Destiny Bond
T-wave/Toxic
Imprison
T-bolt

lol.

lol.

lol.

That's a huge waste of Banette's High ATK.

Cool Kid 94
09-04-2007, 01:38 AM
Zangoose@Focus Sash
Adamant
252 ATK 252 SPD 6HP
~SD
~Quick Attack
~Close Combat
~Shadow Claw (better than Night Slash in the sense that it affects Fighting types if you run out of PP (not like that's gonna happen))

This set is godly if used correctly.

Banette@Leftovers
252 ATK 252 SPD
Adamant
~Knock Off
~Destiny Bond
~T-Wave
~Shadow Claw

Resists Megahorn and dodges Close Combat from Hera as a Pro.

Aggron@Leftovers
adamant
252 HP 206 ATK 52 DEF
~Focus Punch
~Stone Edge
~EQ
~Sub

Sub-Punching Rocks. This is my physical tank.

Mantine@Leftovers
252 HP 64 SP ATK 192 SP DEF
Calm
~Ice beam
~Surf
~Toxic
~Haze

SP Tank. And Hazer.

Porygon-Z@Choice Scarf
Timid
252 SP ATK 252 SPD
~Tri Attack
~T-Bolt
~I-Beam
~Agility (Modest)/Nasty Plot (Timid)

I know this is OU, but this is my fav poke.

Machamp@Choice Scarf
Jolly
252 ATK 252 SPD 6 HP
~EQ
~Ice Punch
~Dynamic Punch
~Stone edge

meh, this is BL ATM.

This set might be used over Lapras.

Quagsire@Leftovers
252 HP// 64 ATK//192 DEF
Relaxed
-Curse
-Earthquake
-Waterfall
-Ice Beam

Banette's Adamant because of T-wave, right?

Porygon-Z's Timid because it's at 369 Sp. Atk and 418-419 Spd, right?

Lol, Machamp's Speed is barely worth it, but I guess you could live with what you have...

Hmm, Quagsire looks worse than Lapras base stat-wise. IMO you should take it out and put Lapras back in.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:40 AM
Banette's Adamant because of T-wave, right?

Porygon-Z's Timid because it's at 369 Sp. Atk and 418-419 Spd, right?

Lol, Machamp's Speed is barely worth it, but I guess you could live with what you have...

Hmm, Quagsire looks worse than Lapras base stat-wise. IMO you should take it out and put Lapras back in.

I deleted Quagsire.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:45 AM
lol.

lol.

lol.

That's a huge waste of Banette's High ATK.

OK, so shadow Claw instead of T-bolt.

Cool Kid 94
09-04-2007, 01:49 AM
HB, he's saying it's a waste of its base Attack, it would be better to EV it in Atk.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:50 AM
HB, he's saying it's a waste of its base Attack, it would be better to EV it in Atk.

I know, but he needs the Speed. But not the HP really.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:52 AM
I know, but he needs the Speed. But not the HP really.

Banette is frail,(A Knock Off almost KOed it)

Cool Kid 94
09-04-2007, 01:52 AM
I know, but he needs the Speed. But not the HP really.

That's what I'm saying, stay with what he has, Atk and Spd.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:53 AM
That's what I'm saying, stay with what he has, Atk and Spd.

But then you need Knock Off, Imprison, and Shadow Claw.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:54 AM
But then you need Knock Off, Imprison, and Shadow Claw.

Why Imprision?

Bannete doesn't share alot of moves with fighting types.

Cool Kid 94
09-04-2007, 01:55 AM
I know, right? Just keep T-Wave and Destiny Bond.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:55 AM
Why Imprision?

Bannete doesn't share alot of moves with fighting types.

What about other guys with T-wave?

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 01:58 AM
What about other guys with T-wave?

Which Fighting Types learn T-wave?

pokemaster1111
09-04-2007, 01:59 AM
Why Imprision?

Bannete doesn't share alot of moves with fighting types.

Well a good strategy would......wait does Banette learn Mimic?

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 01:59 AM
Which Fighting Types learn T-wave?

Not fighting types, other pokemon.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 02:00 AM
Well a good strategy would......wait does Banette learn Mimic?

lol, Banette can't take a hit.

pokemaster1111
09-04-2007, 02:01 AM
lol, Banette can't take a hit.

Well if you ev'd it in whichever defenses or Hp then you could have it know mimic and imprison. So you could mimic that move and then use imprison

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 02:03 AM
Well if you ev'd it in whichever defenses or Hp then you could have it know mimic and imprison. So you could mimic that move and then use imprison

Max HP=332

Max DEF=251

Max SP DEF=247

pokemaster1111
09-04-2007, 02:05 AM
Max HP=332

Max DEF=251

Max SP DEF=247

Nevermind I don't think that'll last ya. You should probably switch Banette with a different pokemon, like Spiritomb. I have one and he has high Def. and Sp.Def

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 02:06 AM
Nevermind I don't think that'll last ya. You should probably switch Banette with a different pokemon, like Spiritomb. I have one and he has high Def. and Sp.Def

Spirtomb is OU.

I want UU/BL pokes.

pokemaster1111
09-04-2007, 02:09 AM
Spirtomb is OU.

I want UU/BL pokes.

Is Sableye OU?

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 02:09 AM
Spirtomb is OU.

I want UU/BL pokes.

Um... maybe a Driftblim?

Kick the Moon
09-04-2007, 02:11 AM
Banette is frail,(A Knock Off almost KOed it)
Lol, that's because it was Guts boosted and was a critical.
Is Sableye OU?

No, it's UU.

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 02:15 AM
Is Sableye OU?

What can sabelye do that Banette can't?

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 02:17 AM
What can sabelye do that Banette can't?

What about Driftblim?

-Insert cool stuff in here-

ronjocox
09-04-2007, 02:17 AM
What about Driftblim?

-Insert cool stuff in here-

I think that Drifblim is lower OU.

pokemaster1111
09-04-2007, 02:20 AM
What can sabelye do that Banette can't?

Well it can't be harmed by any psychic, fighting attacks. And dark types won't do as much damage as it would do to a Banette

Cool Kid 94
09-04-2007, 02:20 AM
Sableye sucks. Dusknoir is OU too, I'm guessing. Just keep Banette IMO.

Hyper Blaze
09-04-2007, 02:20 AM
I think that Drifblim is lower OU.

Yeah, but its not OU :happy:. I'd say its BL.

pokemaster1111
09-04-2007, 02:23 AM
Sableye sucks. Dusknoir is OU too, I'm guessing. Just keep Banette IMO.

It may suck but it's a UU version of a Spiritomb. And Banette will have more of a chance dieing than a Sableye